Post-Apocalyptic Mafia - Town Wins! [Archive]

[jeraado]

Whew, finished reading up. That took HOURS!

Back in my days, before I was lynched, I was just starting to get a bit suspicious of Iliad, despite his claim. Although this role and my last one have the same alignment, the main reason I wanted to re-read right from the beginning was to try and pick up on anything I'd missed, and not carry on with a bias against Iliad. I had intended to write a long synopsis of each player, but its 4am here and I'm barely able to stay awake to write this.

I am assuming that there is just the abomination left. So, mainly to keep it all in one post, here's what we know about each player:

Haggis
- Claimed bodyguard
- Claimed PR requiring him to pity 3 fools each day
- Cleared as human by Iliad

Sax
- Revealed he holds a double-vote (proven day 2)
- Annoying PR which has been consistently used
- Claimed to be Arnie day 6 NB- Arnie is specifically mentioned as president and partially responsible for the apocalypse in opening scene)
- Claimed mayor and unlynchable (proven day 7)

Mr Squirrel
- Claimed SWAT and masoned with Saf confirmed by saf
- Claimed vig and killer of violet on night 6 no counterclaim
- Claimed flavour as SWAT hitman and later as Jonny Morales no counterclaim and central to several scenes
- Claimed recruited by cult and now survivor

Iliad
- Claimed investigator of non-humans on day 2 and outs herk confirmed by herk lynch
- Cleared Haggis and jeraado as human

jeraado
- Cleared by Iliad as human
- Claimed PR

Again, assuming there is only the abomination left I see three scenarios. All three pretty much hinge around Iliad's role:

1) Iliad is truthful, and the abomination is detectable
With Haggis and I cleared, and Iliad assumed to not be the abomination, that would leave Mr Squirrel and Sax as suspects. For Mr Squirrel to be the abomination, he would have to have two night-kills (proven by vio's death) and a heavily split character. In my view, it is simply too unlikely for him to be both Jonny Morales and the abomination. For Sax to be the abomination, the abomination would have to be a mutation of Arnie (can't be ruled out), and be unlynchable (proven on day 7). I believe Sax to be the more likely of the two in this scenario, i.e. being a highly-powered SK

If we come to the conclusion that scenario 1 is true, then I'd propose we reattempt to lynch sax (in case is was a 1-shot unlynchable) and/or Mr Squirrel uses his NK on sax

2) Iliad is the abomination and has been fake-claiming investigator
If this is the case, then Iliad would obviously need to be lynched. My reasoning behind this possibility would be that:
- Iliad has cleared, or there is heavy flavour suggesting that all others are not the abomination
- Having an investigator to identify only two roles in a 21 player game seems underpowered
- The only guilty investigation from Iliad came immediately after a night-scene where the abomination targetted but failed to kill the werewolf (i.e. the night-scene would have told the abomination that the person it targetted was a werewolf)
- The abomination appears to have killed every night, apart from being stopped by a couple of BPs. Likewise Iliad does not appear to have been targetted. Since Iliad claimed on Day 2 I would speculate that the abomination would want to eliminate its main threat and would at least test whether Iliad was protected at some point (due to WIFOM). Also, mafia would have no reason to target Iliad since he couldnt detect them and roleblockers wouldnt target him since they would believe him to be an investigator, and neither group appears to have hit the abomination either

If we come to the conclusion that scenario 2 is true, then I'd propose we lynch Iliad

3) Iliad is truthful but the abomination is undetectable (e.g. returns to human form)
If this is the case then all of us (other than Iliad) are suspects. This would assume that Iliad's role was only to identify the werewolf (possibly a recruiting faction), or he has other unrevealed powers. In this case we have a lot of information to discover, so I wont go into all the scenarios now.

However, if we come to the conclusion that scenario 3 is true I'd suggest we make a mass claim and take our time discussing each claim before voting.

My personal feeling is that Iliad is actually the abomination (to me it requires the fewest assumptions) but I've missed some evidence or a possibility I dont want to rush to that straight away. I'd be interested to hear the idea haggis is proposing.

Two other things - I recognise that I am the person that the rest of you probably have the least information about. I am willing to claim of course although I would prefer to do it as part of a mass claim this late in the game. Although skoffin didnt have a huge number of posts I believe that my role is easily verifiable.

Also, if there are two anti-town roles left (perhaps a stray mafia member) then today may be LYLO. We need to be careful as we're in a winnable position and it would be gutting to lose now.

Finally, apologies for any typos or if I don't make sense with any of the above, but its now 4:30 and I'm off to bed. I'm going to hold off on any voting until we've had a chance to talk through the possibilities

[TheSaxlad]

Whew, finished reading up. That took HOURS!

Back in my days, before I was lynched, I was just starting to get a bit suspicious of Iliad, despite his claim. Although this role and my last one have the same alignment, the main reason I wanted to re-read right from the beginning was to try and pick up on anything I'd missed, and not carry on with a bias against Iliad. I had intended to write a long synopsis of each player, but its 4am here and I'm barely able to stay awake to write this.

I am assuming that there is just the abomination left. So, mainly to keep it all in one post, here's what we know about each player:

Haggis
- Claimed bodyguard
- Claimed PR requiring him to pity 3 fools each day
- Cleared as human by Iliad

Sax
- Revealed he holds a double-vote (proven day 2)
- Annoying PR which has been consistently used
- Claimed to be Arnie day 6 NB- Arnie is specifically mentioned as president and partially responsible for the apocalypse in opening scene)
- Claimed mayor and unlynchable (proven day 7)

Mr Squirrel
- Claimed SWAT and masoned with Saf confirmed by saf
- Claimed vig and killer of violet on night 6 no counterclaim
- Claimed flavour as SWAT hitman and later as Jonny Morales no counterclaim and central to several scenes
- Claimed recruited by cult and now survivor

Iliad
- Claimed investigator of non-humans on day 2 and outs herk [b]confirmed by herk lynch
- Cleared Haggis and jeraado as human[/b]

jeraado
- Cleared by Iliad as human
- Claimed PR

Again, assuming there is only the abomination left I see three scenarios. All three pretty much hinge around Iliad's role:

1) Iliad is truthful, and the abomination is detectable
With Haggis and I cleared, and Iliad assumed to not be the abomination, that would leave Mr Squirrel and Sax as suspects. For Mr Squirrel to be the abomination, he would have to have two night-kills (proven by vio's death) and a heavily split character. In my view, it is simply too unlikely for him to be both Jonny Morales and the abomination. For Sax to be the abomination, the abomination would have to be a mutation of Arnie (can't be ruled out), and be unlynchable (proven on day 7). I believe Sax to be the more likely of the two in this scenario, i.e. being a highly-powered SK

If we come to the conclusion that scenario 1 is true, then I'd propose we reattempt to lynch sax (in case is was a 1-shot unlynchable) and/or Mr Squirrel uses his NK on sax

2) Iliad is the abomination and has been fake-claiming investigator
If this is the case, then Iliad would obviously need to be lynched. My reasoning behind this possibility would be that:
- Iliad has cleared, or there is heavy flavour suggesting that all others are not the abomination
- Having an investigator to identify only two roles in a 21 player game seems underpowered
- The only guilty investigation from Iliad came immediately after a night-scene where the abomination targetted but failed to kill the werewolf (i.e. the night-scene would have told the abomination that the person it targetted was a werewolf)
- The abomination appears to have killed every night, apart from being stopped by a couple of BPs. Likewise Iliad does not appear to have been targetted. Since Iliad claimed on Day 2 I would speculate that the abomination would want to eliminate its main threat and would at least test whether Iliad was protected at some point (due to WIFOM). Also, mafia would have no reason to target Iliad since he couldnt detect them and roleblockers wouldnt target him since they would believe him to be an investigator, and neither group appears to have hit the abomination either

If we come to the conclusion that scenario 2 is true, then I'd propose we lynch Iliad

3) Iliad is truthful but the abomination is undetectable (e.g. returns to human form)
If this is the case then all of us (other than Iliad) are suspects. This would assume that Iliad's role was only to identify the werewolf (possibly a recruiting faction), or he has other unrevealed powers. In this case we have a lot of information to discover, so I wont go into all the scenarios now.

However, if we come to the conclusion that scenario 3 is true I'd suggest we make a mass claim and take our time discussing each claim before voting.

My personal feeling is that Iliad is actually the abomination (to me it requires the fewest assumptions) but I've missed some evidence or a possibility I dont want to rush to that straight away. I'd be interested to hear the idea haggis is proposing.

Two other things - I recognise that I am the person that the rest of you probably have the least information about. I am willing to claim of course although I would prefer to do it as part of a mass claim this late in the game. Although skoffin didnt have a huge number of posts I believe that my role is easily verifiable.

Also, if there are two anti-town roles left (perhaps a stray mafia member) then today may be LYLO. We need to be careful as we're in a winnable position and it would be gutting to lose now.

Finally, apologies for any typos or if I don't make sense with any of the above, but its now 4:30 and I'm off to bed. I'm going to hold off on any voting until we've had a chance to talk through the possibilities

de problemz i zee here arez az folows. Everyonez in bold haz not haz dem backed up by irrefutablez evidence ja? take mez for examplez. de factz i have double vote iz backed up by ma doublez in day 2 and de fact I am unlynchablez is backed upz by dayz 7. Take squirrelz claimez hav been backz upz by safz, and namez mentionedz in scenez az a sniperz. Prettyz solid.

Hagz has nothinz to backz himz up. nada, notz one smidgez. only that iliadz said he was humanz. samez goez for jeraadooz. In factz FOZ Jeraado'z, cauz it mightyz scummyz suggestingz dat ve should vaste a lynch on a PROVENz unlynchablez. The onlyz proofz behind iliaz and hiz claimz is de investigationz on night1z when herk attackedz. and he then claimez to be investigatorz, but likez jeraadoz sayz the abominationz attackedz der werewolfz. in der firstz szene der was noz mentionz of anyone zeeing herk change or nuffin. de only way anyone could have knownz it was herk iz if they targeted himz.

Iz thinkz dat Iliadz iz mostz likelyz to be the abominationz. If hez not den, it iz zurely me and i don'tz knowz it or squirrelz. datz whenz me andz squirrelz havez to take onez for the teamz.

zo myz planz iz. Lynchz Iliadz. If he comes upz abominationz, den der townz should winz. if he flipz townz den squirrelz target me for der nightz kill. if den i comez up not abominationz denz lynchz squirrelz. dat wayz we should havez the abominationz in lezz dan onez night.

unvotez vote iliad

[Iliad]

Whew, finished reading up. That took HOURS!

Back in my days, before I was lynched, I was just starting to get a bit suspicious of Iliad, despite his claim. Although this role and my last one have the same alignment, the main reason I wanted to re-read right from the beginning was to try and pick up on anything I'd missed, and not carry on with a bias against Iliad. I had intended to write a long synopsis of each player, but its 4am here and I'm barely able to stay awake to write this.

I am assuming that there is just the abomination left. So, mainly to keep it all in one post, here's what we know about each player:

Haggis
- Claimed bodyguard
- Claimed PR requiring him to pity 3 fools each day
- Cleared as human by Iliad

Sax
- Revealed he holds a double-vote (proven day 2)
- Annoying PR which has been consistently used
- Claimed to be Arnie day 6 NB- Arnie is specifically mentioned as president and partially responsible for the apocalypse in opening scene)
- Claimed mayor and unlynchable (proven day 7)

Mr Squirrel
- Claimed SWAT and masoned with Saf confirmed by saf
- Claimed vig and killer of violet on night 6 no counterclaim
- Claimed flavour as SWAT hitman and later as Jonny Morales no counterclaim and central to several scenes
- Claimed recruited by cult and now survivor

Iliad
- Claimed investigator of non-humans on day 2 and outs herk confirmed by herk lynch
- Cleared Haggis and jeraado as human

jeraado
- Cleared by Iliad as human
- Claimed PR

Again, assuming there is only the abomination left I see three scenarios. All three pretty much hinge around Iliad's role:

1) Iliad is truthful, and the abomination is detectable
With Haggis and I cleared, and Iliad assumed to not be the abomination, that would leave Mr Squirrel and Sax as suspects. For Mr Squirrel to be the abomination, he would have to have two night-kills (proven by vio's death) and a heavily split character. In my view, it is simply too unlikely for him to be both Jonny Morales and the abomination. For Sax to be the abomination, the abomination would have to be a mutation of Arnie (can't be ruled out), and be unlynchable (proven on day 7). I believe Sax to be the more likely of the two in this scenario, i.e. being a highly-powered SK

If we come to the conclusion that scenario 1 is true, then I'd propose we reattempt to lynch sax (in case is was a 1-shot unlynchable) and/or Mr Squirrel uses his NK on sax

2) Iliad is the abomination and has been fake-claiming investigator
If this is the case, then Iliad would obviously need to be lynched. My reasoning behind this possibility would be that:
- Iliad has cleared, or there is heavy flavour suggesting that all others are not the abomination
- Having an investigator to identify only two roles in a 21 player game seems underpowered
- The only guilty investigation from Iliad came immediately after a night-scene where the abomination targetted but failed to kill the werewolf (i.e. the night-scene would have told the abomination that the person it targetted was a werewolf)
- The abomination appears to have killed every night, apart from being stopped by a couple of BPs. Likewise Iliad does not appear to have been targetted. Since Iliad claimed on Day 2 I would speculate that the abomination would want to eliminate its main threat and would at least test whether Iliad was protected at some point (due to WIFOM). Also, mafia would have no reason to target Iliad since he couldnt detect them and roleblockers wouldnt target him since they would believe him to be an investigator, and neither group appears to have hit the abomination either

If we come to the conclusion that scenario 2 is true, then I'd propose we lynch Iliad

3) Iliad is truthful but the abomination is undetectable (e.g. returns to human form)
If this is the case then all of us (other than Iliad) are suspects. This would assume that Iliad's role was only to identify the werewolf (possibly a recruiting faction), or he has other unrevealed powers. In this case we have a lot of information to discover, so I wont go into all the scenarios now.

However, if we come to the conclusion that scenario 3 is true I'd suggest we make a mass claim and take our time discussing each claim before voting.

My personal feeling is that Iliad is actually the abomination (to me it requires the fewest assumptions) but I've missed some evidence or a possibility I dont want to rush to that straight away. I'd be interested to hear the idea haggis is proposing.

Two other things - I recognise that I am the person that the rest of you probably have the least information about. I am willing to claim of course although I would prefer to do it as part of a mass claim this late in the game. Although skoffin didnt have a huge number of posts I believe that my role is easily verifiable.

Also, if there are two anti-town roles left (perhaps a stray mafia member) then today may be LYLO. We need to be careful as we're in a winnable position and it would be gutting to lose now.

Finally, apologies for any typos or if I don't make sense with any of the above, but its now 4:30 and I'm off to bed. I'm going to hold off on any voting until we've had a chance to talk through the possibilities

Interesting analysis. Didn't consider scenario 3.

Sax is continuing to attack me, which is to be expected because of in any scenario either I or jeraado have outlined he has to get rid of me, so I'm not that bothered by his attacks.

[TheSaxlad]

If I was just attacking you I wouldn't be sacrificing myselfz nowz wouldz I.

you notz agreez causez your de abominationz?

Hez Protestethz Too Muchz Me thinkz.

[Commander9]

Time to get this moving - deadline this Tuesday.

[jeraado]

Time to get this moving - deadline this Tuesday.

Commander, since we're down to so few, would you consider prodding haggis and mr squirrel rather than setting the deadline, since we're just waiting for their input and a lynch cant occur without them anyway?

[Mr. Squirrel]

I'm still undecided.

I would like to know if any of you protected or roleblocked last night and who was your target? that is the easiest way to settle this and figure out who is innocent.

[Commander9]

Commander, since we're down to so few, would you consider prodding haggis and mr squirrel rather than setting the deadline, since we're just waiting for their input and a lynch cant occur without them anyway?

Done and dusted. As far as deadline goes, it stays for now, but if I'll see good activity, I'll extend it.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Woops, sorry for the delayed response.

Anyway:

- The only guilty investigation from Iliad came immediately after a night-scene where the abomination targetted but failed to kill the werewolf (i.e. the night-scene would have told the abomination that the person it targetted was a werewolf)

This is key. I had forgotten about this point. Nice find.

This makes him lying a lot more probable I think.
Also, just 2 non-humans, again doesn't make a lot of sense.

Also,also. He claims to have been roleblocked several times. Who exactly would have done this roleblocking?

What are the options if we lynch iliad?

1. He's scum ... yay!
2. He's not scum, and his investigations are valid, therefore Sax must be the abomination, Squirrel NK's him. If somehow Squirrel is the abomination(which seems extremely unlikely), we lynch him tomorrow
3. He's not scum and his investigations are invalid. Well, again Squirrel Nk's Sax, we claim tomorrow and go from there.
4. Any of the above, but there's more then one scum left ... I pity the fools that are us in that situation.

So yeah, I guess I'm in favour of an Iliad lynch.

[TheSaxlad]

Woops, sorry for the delayed response.

Anyway:

- The only guilty investigation from Iliad came immediately after a night-scene where the abomination targetted but failed to kill the werewolf (i.e. the night-scene would have told the abomination that the person it targetted was a werewolf)

This is key. I had forgotten about this point. Nice find.

This makes him lying a lot more probable I think.
Also, just 2 non-humans, again doesn't make a lot of sense.

Also,also. He claims to have been roleblocked several times. Who exactly would have done this roleblocking?

What are the options if we lynch iliad?

1. He's scum ... yay!
2. He's not scum, and his investigations are valid, therefore Sax must be the abomination, Squirrel NK's him. If somehow Squirrel is the abomination(which seems extremely unlikely), we lynch him tomorrow
3. He's not scum and his investigations are invalid. Well, again Squirrel Nk's Sax, we claim tomorrow and go from there.
4. Any of the above, but there's more then one scum left ... I pity the fools that are us in that situation.

So yeah, I guess I'm in favour of an Iliad lynch.

2 nonz-humanz makez lotz of sensez with mafia and 2 cultz. think of the non-humanz az flavourz.

[Haggis_McMutton]

2 nonz-humanz makez lotz of sensez with mafia and 2 cultz. think of the non-humanz az flavourz.

Yeah, i mean that it doesn't make sense to have a cop that can detect 2 out of 21 people.

[jeraado]

What are the options if we lynch iliad?

1. He's scum ... yay!
2. He's not scum, and his investigations are valid, therefore Sax must be the abomination, Squirrel NK's him. If somehow Squirrel is the abomination(which seems extremely unlikely), we lynch him tomorrow
3. He's not scum and his investigations are invalid. Well, again Squirrel Nk's Sax, we claim tomorrow and go from there.
4. Any of the above, but there's more then one scum left ... I pity the fools that are us in that situation.

So yeah, I guess I'm in favour of an Iliad lynch.

This is where my thinking was at. Are we all agreed on this? Mainly I guess I'm directing this at squirrel.

I had a read through the scum numbers - 4 scum killed in the game, and I'd expect it to be 4 or 5 in a game of this size. The reason I raise this is simply that squirrel is almost certain to be targetted for the kill tonight if we've miscalculated in any way, since he's the one with the NK and as I understand it he was relying on saf for his bulletproofness, so he'll be unprotected.

[TheSaxlad]

If werez right itz wontz matter no?

[jeraado]

If werez right itz wontz matter no?

Yes, I only draw attention to it so that we give due thought to the fact that we'll lose a valuable asset if we're wrong. I just want to make sure we are all in agreement as to the course of action and aware of the consequences.

[Mr. Squirrel]

I would still like to hear from iliad before this happens. Plus, I think it would still be beneficial if anyone with a roleblock or a protect would reveal who they targeted last night. This way, we can clear a few of us (the protected and the protector) and then the roleblocker. This would give us a 50/50 shot at getting the lynch right.

[jeraado]

Not I, could you reveal who you targetted squirrel? That may help in case it wasnt specifically a roleblock (although thats definitely the way it comes across in the scene)

[Iliad]

2 nonz-humanz makez lotz of sensez with mafia and 2 cultz. think of the non-humanz az flavourz.

Yeah, i mean that it doesn't make sense to have a cop that can detect 2 out of 21 people.

I've explained time and time again that herkman most likely could "turn" people into werewolves. I was probably the role who was supposed to catch them.

Your plan has a number of flaws.

Firstly your brush off the fact that there's a chance that neither haggis or jeraado who coudl be the abomination and be undetectable as jeraado pointed out was possible. If that is the case, you will lynch squirrel tomorrow and lose.

If sax is the abomination you are counting on the kill being not stopped, but as squirrel's failure to kill last night, interestingly enough squirrel hasn't said who he was aiming for. There is also the matter of the jacket which seems to provide bulletproofness, as the night scene demonstrated. If the kills fails, you will be in the position of lylo and even worse than the previous situation, four suspects.

If squirrel is the abomination, as is quite possible per the Jekyll and Hyde theory, it's also possible that he has up to two night kills, one unwitting and one witting. If that is the case and his sax kill goes through, he wins.

So although sax has tried to make his theory look foolproof and account ofr all possible situations, it only works for town if I am the abomination. If I am not, then town loses either during the night or tomorrow. So not exactly a flawless plan. As I have pointed out, if the abomination is someone but me, which it is, perhaps unknowingly, then lynching me will lead to town's loss.

I may not have found the abomination yet, but considering how much I have done, finding herk and streaker's cult, my record is one of the most pro-town of all time.

[Haggis_McMutton]

I've explained time and time again that herkman most likely could "turn" people into werewolves. I was probably the role who was supposed to catch them.

Four cults? Seems unreasonable.

Even if true, why isn't there a flavour cop for each of the other cults?

Your plan has a number of flaws.

Firstly your brush off the fact that there's a chance that neither haggis or jeraado who coudl be the abomination and be undetectable as jeraado pointed out was possible. If that is the case, you will lynch squirrel tomorrow and lose.

You're right. That's why I suggest that in that situation we all claim and go from there. Seems to me we'll have better odds then than now anyway.

If sax is the abomination you are counting on the kill being not stopped, but as squirrel's failure to kill last night, interestingly enough squirrel hasn't said who he was aiming for. There is also the matter of the jacket which seems to provide bulletproofness, as the night scene demonstrated. If the kills fails, you will be in the position of lylo and even worse than the previous situation, four suspects.

Sax has already survived a lynch. I'm betting he won't also survive a NK.

If squirrel is the abomination, as is quite possible per the Jekyll and Hyde theory, it's also possible that he has up to two night kills, one unwitting and one witting. If that is the case and his sax kill goes through, he wins.

Possibility of squirrel being the abomination seems very small.
A double kill SK with a mason that can make him bulletproof and make him look like town? does seem a tad overpowered.

I may not have found the abomination yet, but considering how much I have done, finding herk and streaker's cult, my record is one of the most pro-town of all time.

Both of those objectives would also work for you if you were a SK.


But, what plan are you suggesting? Lynch sax again?

[Commander9]

Day 8 Lynches:

Iliad (1) - Saxlad.

[TheSaxlad]

If sax is the abomination you are counting on the kill being not stopped, but as squirrel's failure to kill last night, interestingly enough squirrel hasn't said who he was aiming for. There is also the matter of the jacket which seems to provide bulletproofness, as the night scene demonstrated. If the kills fails, you will be in the position of lylo and even worse than the previous situation, four suspects.

Hez didz he targetedzz hagz.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Well, anything else to say/do?

Are we agreed? Lynch Iliad, Squirrel Nk's Sax?

I'll wait for one more post of Iliad's for another day or so, but unless something really extraordinary happens, my mind is pretty much made up.

[Iliad]

I've explained time and time again that herkman most likely could "turn" people into werewolves. I was probably the role who was supposed to catch them.

Four cults? Seems unreasonable.

Even if true, why isn't there a flavour cop for each of the other cults?

I don't think this would've worked as a cult. I'm tired of repeating this, but herk had no idea that he was a werewolf, and most likely the people he could've turned would have been the same.

Your plan has a number of flaws.

Firstly your brush off the fact that there's a chance that neither haggis or jeraado who coudl be the abomination and be undetectable as jeraado pointed out was possible. If that is the case, you will lynch squirrel tomorrow and lose.

You're right. That's why I suggest that in that situation we all claim and go from there. Seems to me we'll have better odds then than now anyway.[/quote]

You wouldn't in that situation, seeing as you'll be in LYLO, without any real discernable way of working otu the abomination.

If sax is the abomination you are counting on the kill being not stopped, but as squirrel's failure to kill last night, interestingly enough squirrel hasn't said who he was aiming for. There is also the matter of the jacket which seems to provide bulletproofness, as the night scene demonstrated. If the kills fails, you will be in the position of lylo and even worse than the previous situation, four suspects.

Sax has already survived a lynch. I'm betting he won't also survive a NK.

But it's highly probable that he could, making squirrel's nk definitely not guaranteed. Read the night scene properly, someone, presumably Bear Grylls, had a jacket that stopped a night kill that he gave away to someone else. There's a high chance this jacket could be with Arnold now.

If squirrel is the abomination, as is quite possible per the Jekyll and Hyde theory, it's also possible that he has up to two night kills, one unwitting and one witting. If that is the case and his sax kill goes through, he wins.

Possibility of squirrel being the abomination seems very small.
A double kill SK with a mason that can make him bulletproof and make him look like town? does seem a tad overpowered.

It's powerful, but it's not overpowered because he's not aware. He's doing as much good for town wittingly as he's working against it, unwittingly.

I may not have found the abomination yet, but considering how much I have done, finding herk and streaker's cult, my record is one of the most pro-town of all time.

Both of those objectives would also work for you if you were a SK.
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A serial killer wouldn't stick his neck out like that to risk the wrath of an entire faction or try and attract that much attention.

[Iliad]

I've explained time and time again that herkman most likely could "turn" people into werewolves. I was probably the role who was supposed to catch them.

Four cults? Seems unreasonable.

Even if true, why isn't there a flavour cop for each of the other cults?

I don't think this would've worked as a cult. I'm tired of repeating this, but herk had no idea that he was a werewolf, and most likely the people he could've turned would have been the same.

Your plan has a number of flaws.

Firstly your brush off the fact that there's a chance that neither haggis or jeraado who coudl be the abomination and be undetectable as jeraado pointed out was possible. If that is the case, you will lynch squirrel tomorrow and lose.

You're right. That's why I suggest that in that situation we all claim and go from there. Seems to me we'll have better odds then than now anyway.

You wouldn't in that situation, seeing as you'll be in LYLO, without any real discernable way of working otu the abomination.

If sax is the abomination you are counting on the kill being not stopped, but as squirrel's failure to kill last night, interestingly enough squirrel hasn't said who he was aiming for. There is also the matter of the jacket which seems to provide bulletproofness, as the night scene demonstrated. If the kills fails, you will be in the position of lylo and even worse than the previous situation, four suspects.

Sax has already survived a lynch. I'm betting he won't also survive a NK.

But it's highly probable that he could, making squirrel's nk definitely not guaranteed. Read the night scene properly, someone, presumably Bear Grylls, had a jacket that stopped a night kill that he gave away to someone else. There's a high chance this jacket could be with Arnold now.

If squirrel is the abomination, as is quite possible per the Jekyll and Hyde theory, it's also possible that he has up to two night kills, one unwitting and one witting. If that is the case and his sax kill goes through, he wins.

Possibility of squirrel being the abomination seems very small.
A double kill SK with a mason that can make him bulletproof and make him look like town? does seem a tad overpowered.

It's powerful, but it's not overpowered because he's not aware. He's doing as much good for town wittingly as he's working against it, unwittingly.

I may not have found the abomination yet, but considering how much I have done, finding herk and streaker's cult, my record is one of the most pro-town of all time.

Both of those objectives would also work for you if you were a SK.

A serial killer wouldn't stick his neck out like that to risk the wrath of an entire faction or try and attract that much attention.

EBWOP. Sorry about that, screwed up the quoting.
Anyway, I would very much like to see other people's respone, since I have quite clearly outlined how if the abomination is any of your four, my lynch would most likely give the abomination the win during the night or next day.

[Haggis_McMutton]

So, what's your alternate plan?

Lynch sax again and don't Nk anyone?

How does that give us better odds tomorrow?

[jeraado]

Back in my day I was happy for us to do a mass claim, but I really don't think it will change anything. We've heard from Iliad, but it hasn't really answered the underlying piece of information we are missing - is Iliad lying? Given that scenario 3 of the ones that I posed is by far the least likely, and given that no-one has come up with an alternative possibility, I think the only way we are going to find the abomination is to test Iliad's claim, and the only way to do that is to lynch him.

I'll claim if thats necessary for anyone to make a decision, just as long as we get the claims out quickly since the deadline is a couple of days away. However personally I see our only way forward is to follow the plan and vote Iliad.