HP: fight for freedom. Game over. Wizards won.

[Nebuchadnezer]

So.we're discarding my investigation as inaccurate or useless or do you think I am lying?

Did it say wizard....or innocent?

[TA1LGUNN3R]

He has an investigation against him as being non-town.

He has an investigation against as being non-wizard, not non-town.

-Tails

[strike wolf]

So.we're discarding my investigation as inaccurate or useless or do you think I am lying?

Did it say wizard....or innocent?

Sussex=town wizards. non-sussex indicates non wizards characters. death eater=mafia. technically Fenrir is a werewolf and a death eater. if he can use magic I don't think it was specified in the book. the voldemort lynch scene confirms that Fenrir is in the game.

[spiesr]

He has an investigation against him as being non-town.

He has an investigation against as being non-wizard, not non-town.

I have yet to see anything to convince me that those are not the exact same thing in this game.

....Except I found Dazza and have helped lynch all the Death-eaters.

At most all this could possibly indicate is that you have no loyalty to the main mafia group. That still leaves you open as an usurper or at least partially independent anti-town force.

I can also say I targeted Bleed Green several turns ago as Voldemort and was blocked by both Hippo and PCM. Fluff my butt!

Since you were blocked you can say you did anything. What matters is that your actions your accomplished nothing apart from setting up Dazza (which isn't quite as strong of town tell as you are trying to make it out to be) and there is no way to verify them.
Also, don't forget this tidbit:

Nah, it's a fake claim. He typed it out manually. All of our roles so far (as does mine) have had parentheses around the true role name, one space away. He has quotation marks hugging his role name. His lines also don't cut short like it would if you C&P'd the green part of your role description from the PM.

I don't think I we ever got anything to truly explain why you retyped your green section.

If we are playing by Harry Potter lore why has not Harry come back to life? He needs to be alive to kill Voldemort. Either that this is a straight up mafia game so Harry being dead does not matter. If we are going by lore THAT would be ironclad!

Err, if you really wanted to go by lore logic then there are only two points which are really important in regards to killing Voldemort. (Which we did.)
1. A prophecy implies that either Harry or Voldemort will kill the other.
2. Harry needs to die (and the other Horcruxes be destroyed) before Voldemort can truly be killed.

Flavor wise, Voldemort already took care of these when Harry was killed. The prophecy was fulfilled and Harry died, now there doesn't seem to be any reason why someone else couldn't kill Voldemort once that has been accomplished.

[freezie]

I am loving this game.

Vote Count:

Djfireside(1): Everywhere

Everywhere(2): Neb, Chap

10 alive, 6 to lynch.

[chapcrap]

Right now, I am strongly leaning towards Iron Butterfly as the best target in my opinion. He has an investigation against him as being non-town. His claim doesn't really make that much sense to me, seeming to be a hastily cobbled together fake trying to explain his way out of said investigation. And his claimed actions amount to a pile of unsubstantiated fluff.

I don't know why you keep asking me to add things to the investigations. I haven't claimed any more knowledge. You already heard the abilities I had.

Can you refresh my memory on what you have remaining?

I'd rather not.

So.we're discarding my investigation as inaccurate or useless or do you think I am lying?

Did it say wizard....or innocent?

Sussex=town wizards. non-sussex indicates non wizards characters. death eater=mafia. technically Fenrir is a werewolf and a death eater. if he can use magic I don't think it was specified in the book. the voldemort lynch scene confirms that Fenrir is in the game.

Fenrir can use magic. He's still a wizard, just like Remus Lupin.

I think non-town and non-wizard are the same in this game. And IB claimed that he wasn't town, so that fits. That doesn't mean he's Fenrir, but I'm thinking more and more that it means he is a Death Eater.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Right now, I am strongly leaning towards Iron Butterfly as the best target in my opinion. He has an investigation against him as being non-town. His claim doesn't really make that much sense to me, seeming to be a hastily cobbled together fake trying to explain his way out of said investigation. And his claimed actions amount to a pile of unsubstantiated fluff.

I don't know why you keep asking me to add things to the investigations. I haven't claimed any more knowledge. You already heard the abilities I had.

Can you refresh my memory on what you have remaining?

I'd rather not.

1. I'd rather not, because I have no more night actions?
or
2. I'd rather not, because I have such an awesome night action that there is no way I would live past posting it!?

Come on, dude...if you're town, you don't need to keep secrets. And if you're not town, you'll keep on insisting that you'd "rather not" tell us what you have left.

[strike wolf]

Right now, I am strongly leaning towards Iron Butterfly as the best target in my opinion. He has an investigation against him as being non-town. His claim doesn't really make that much sense to me, seeming to be a hastily cobbled together fake trying to explain his way out of said investigation. And his claimed actions amount to a pile of unsubstantiated fluff.

I don't know why you keep asking me to add things to the investigations. I haven't claimed any more knowledge. You already heard the abilities I had.

Can you refresh my memory on what you have remaining?

I'd rather not.

1. I'd rather not, because I have no more night actions?
or
2. I'd rather not, because I have such an awesome night action that there is no way I would live past posting it!?

Come on, dude...if you're town, you don't need to keep secrets. And if you're not town, you'll keep on insisting that you'd "rather not" tell us what you have left.

Not completely true. Plenty of reasons to wifom the mafia.

[Nebuchadnezer]

So.we're discarding my investigation as inaccurate or useless or do you think I am lying?

Did it say wizard....or innocent?

Sussex=town wizards. non-sussex indicates non wizards characters. death eater=mafia. technically Fenrir is a werewolf and a death eater. if he can use magic I don't think it was specified in the book. the voldemort lynch scene confirms that Fenrir is in the game.

I don't get WTH you posted here...can you simply answer what your message said about everywhere? i'm a little slow.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Right now, I am strongly leaning towards Iron Butterfly as the best target in my opinion. He has an investigation against him as being non-town. His claim doesn't really make that much sense to me, seeming to be a hastily cobbled together fake trying to explain his way out of said investigation. And his claimed actions amount to a pile of unsubstantiated fluff.

I don't know why you keep asking me to add things to the investigations. I haven't claimed any more knowledge. You already heard the abilities I had.

Can you refresh my memory on what you have remaining?

I'd rather not.

So.we're discarding my investigation as inaccurate or useless or do you think I am lying?

Did it say wizard....or innocent?

Sussex=town wizards. non-sussex indicates non wizards characters. death eater=mafia. technically Fenrir is a werewolf and a death eater. if he can use magic I don't think it was specified in the book. the voldemort lynch scene confirms that Fenrir is in the game.

Fenrir can use magic. He's still a wizard, just like Remus Lupin.

I think non-town and non-wizard are the same in this game. And IB claimed that he wasn't town, so that fits. That doesn't mean he's Fenrir, but I'm thinking more and more that it means he is a Death Eater.

Well, then, vote for him. He's pretty much a VT now anyway...

[strike wolf]

So.we're discarding my investigation as inaccurate or useless or do you think I am lying?

Did it say wizard....or innocent?

Sussex=town wizards. non-sussex indicates non wizards characters. death eater=mafia. technically Fenrir is a werewolf and a death eater. if he can use magic I don't think it was specified in the book. the voldemort lynch scene confirms that Fenrir is in the game.

I don't get WTH you posted here...can you simply answer what your message said about everywhere? i'm a little slow.

Sorry I was posting on my phone. Didn't realize until now that it apparently thinks Wizard should be Sussex.

You were asking if it came back wizard or innocent. I'm telling you both because there's no difference.

[everywhere116]

A) Based on the night details

The deatheaters ran, screamed and tried to seek cover. Hogwart was once again the sole fortress of the wizards and the Tomb of the Dark Lord. Wizards knew they could sleep tightly tonight, it would take time for the deatheaters to regroup. For the first night in so many, wizards slept carelessly. Evidently, it was too soon to let their guards down, and what had to happen happened. A wizard's corpse was found in the morning....

Or not. A wizard robe layed there, probably dropped hours ago. The chase begun again.



No deaths. No deadline. Day 7 has started. With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

A. It appears that a wizard robe has been placed on the ground so that means that someone is no longer a wizard, and based on the statement that the chase begins again, and the overall chase is for voldemort, I think he has risen again. The robe being on the ground instantly means someone has flipped something

I would disagree with that interpretation. To me, if someone was converted ('if' is emphasized) it would probably be a one-shot ability from a Deatheater Fenrir. But this is all flaky mod-speculation, your interpretation at least holds merit.

B. My power is nothing at this point. I have no actions but there is a possibility that I can be given powers if something occurs but I havent been notified of anything occuring so I have nothing. I tended to believe strike's claim because it went with mine and I figured if I got my role out there that I may get something but that didnt happen either as I was hoping which leaves me wondering how it would get activivated unless strike has to die.

I can see that. Kind of like a secret back-up cop.

However with A being true, Strike's list doesnt seem to hold water anymore since apparently someone has turned.

If. But yes.

[alt1978]

I believe Tails is lying. I visited Thehippo night 1. Vote Tails

I know i haven't posted a ton on here...but I spent some time on here trying to get caught up. I had every intention of making a case going back in time against everywhere...when I ran into the above quote. Now something seemed a little off to me about Strike's claim...kingsley wizzard auror. It wasn't anything in of itself in the claim...but it was how unprompted it was. Everywhere actually went on shortly after that in the midst of the great PCM vs Tails debate to say that either tails and IB were lying, or that PCM and strike were lying.

Maybe the question I have right now that I would love some help with...is if Strike "investigated" hippo night one...is there any reason why tails would not have known it. Tails clearly states that he visited hippo night one...I don't have any reason to doubt tails at this moment...so why does strike's visit not show up?

The most likely scenario in my mind...that makes the pieces fit together the simplest...is the possibility that strike is mafia. It's very easy for mafia to act like the cop...because they know who is innocent and who is not. By throwing some town folks names out there and saying they are innocent...it's a sneaky way to come across town.

Maybe there is an explanation for this...maybe someone with a fresh set of eyes can take a look at it.

One last thought... once I put into play in my mind that strike could be scum...from the time he claimed he has been planting the seed that he may be naive...or that there may be something off with his results. Looking at him from a scummy perspective...it would be a nice way to cover yourself. Throw a bunch of people you know are innocent out there...and then try to sneak a scum into the innocent category with one of your "investigations".

I would like to hear what folks have to say about this...particularly tails since he was on the other end of the debate. Like I said...maybe there is an explanation that i am missing.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I would like to hear what folks have to say about this...particularly tails since he was on the other end of the debate. Like I said...maybe there is an explanation that i am missing.

It was a mod mix-up. My initial results weren't accurate.

Is it possible that Bleed wasn't truly Voldemort? Is there some mimic spell that is canon? I ask this partially in regards to the IB case, although honestly I'm probably not going to get behind this one. In my opinion, IB has been a great asset to town.

-Tails

[strike wolf]

As tails said, the hippo incident has already been cleared up as a misunderstanding.

As far as naive, that's 1. to be as honest with the town as possible. I don't want them to feel misdirected about cop results because that does often turn out bad. 2. Naive can't officially be removed until I do have a guilty result.

Overall, at this point (and I think I mentioned it in my first post today), I don't think I am naive. I am the only cop who has come forward through this (from DJ's latest clarification it sounds like I may even have a deputy) and at this point for no other cop to come forward (note this does not include IB and Chap's limited investigations), either I am indeed sane or they are having the same bad luck with their investigations as I am.

A question for IB (I don't know why I keep forgetting to ask this): You said you had two investigations, one of which you claimed was role blocked which seems to be confirmed through Hippo's admission that he blocked you on that night. Since it was blocked shouldn't you still have the investigation and if so, why haven't you used it?

[Djfireside]

In going through the last nights voting against bleed I have somewhat of a starting point to go for.

I had been pushing for Bleed prods for two days and pointing for him, strike joined in and started the push and was quickly followed by IB.

Alt stayed on the outside of it voting for everywhere and stating

Fair enough...I'll wait and let bleed answer but i don't mind switching my vote to help hammer. bleed and everywhere are a close 1...1A to me. Also if there is a bomb involved...there has been a couple of mentions of the bomb by scum (possible foreshadowing) I don't mind being the hammer. My role is not as critical to town as some others.

and through the point he was staying away from the vote even from the early on.

Afterwards came

I am gonna go ahead and speculate some more that Bleed isn't scum. It's just hard to believe that his scum mates would allow him to be this inactive and continue to be so. Not only that, it seems like at least one of them would be trying to deflect the case on him or lead another case on someone else at least.

It would be nice if we would at least hear from the mod.

This actually does seem like one of the scum mates trying to deflect attention away from him.

Chap has claimed the JOAT but doesnt want to state what else he could have or the last of his powers. ALT no idea but was investigated by strike so who knows.

Since Alt hasnt said much and is an unknown at this point but would be fine being a hammer at the end of lynch that is going to happen anyways....

Vote ALT

AND

FOS Chap

[Iron Butterfly]

Right now, I am strongly leaning towards Iron Butterfly as the best target in my opinion. He has an investigation against him as being non-town. His claim doesn't really make that much sense to me, seeming to be a hastily cobbled together fake trying to explain his way out of said investigation. And his claimed actions amount to a pile of unsubstantiated fluff.

I don't know why you keep asking me to add things to the investigations. I haven't claimed any more knowledge. You already heard the abilities I had.

Can you refresh my memory on what you have remaining?

I'd rather not.

So.we're discarding my investigation as inaccurate or useless or do you think I am lying?

Did it say wizard....or innocent?

Sussex=town wizards. non-sussex indicates non wizards characters. death eater=mafia. technically Fenrir is a werewolf and a death eater. if he can use magic I don't think it was specified in the book. the voldemort lynch scene confirms that Fenrir is in the game.

Fenrir can use magic. He's still a wizard, just like Remus Lupin.

I think non-town and non-wizard are the same in this game. And IB claimed that he wasn't town, so that fits. That doesn't mean he's Fenrir, but I'm thinking more and more that it means he is a Death Eater.

Well, then, vote for him. He's pretty much a VT now anyway...

This to me is a very telling post. Neb says "Hes pretty much a VT now anyways"

First why would he tell someone else to vote unless he believes the same? IF that is the case one would think that Neb would vote as well. He seems to be letting someone else to take the lead. IF a bandwagon develops he can then jump on without notice.

More importantly he implies I am a VT. He is trying to minimize my NA and makes it seem like lynching me would not be a loss to Town. At this point in the game any loss oF town is a huge loss. My NA ceases to work only iF all the Deatheaters are dead, which in a roundabout way he implies.

We had 18 players. We have Found only 3 Deatheaters and a 3rd party. I always like to play by the one third rule. I play with the assumption that Mafia/antitown comprise one third oF player base. We may have a were wolF and we may not. It is my opinion that there are two Deatheaters leFt.

Why would Neb consider me a VT unless he has inFormation we don't have?

[everywhere116]

This day throws everything I thought I knew into question.

@IB Do you think we should pressure Neb?

[strike wolf]

Ib do you care to answer my question?

[Iron Butterfly]

Ib do you care to answer my question?

I have never received a notification that any of my night actions were blocked.

[Iron Butterfly]

This day throws everything I thought I knew into question.

@IB Do you think we should pressure Neb?

That is a loaded question. Neb in my book has played as an advocate of Town. But there have been moments that I have questioned him. Those have been moments where he has looked like he has been trying to throw me under the bus. Those moments have included you.

The night we lynched Dazza you seemed to convince him I was scum with WIFO assertions. The next day Neb seemed to have suffered complete amnesia and you went at me again. Once again Neb jumped on the attempted bandwagon at like 230 am mind you.

Now he appears to be trying to minimize me as a VT. I am no more a VT then DJ, Chap or MC are.

As I said what was striking is that he acted as if there were no more Deatheater threats for me to try and kill so I was therefor useless. Am I reading to much into it? Maybe..but I do find it odd and a big assumption on his part. he also tried to make Chap reveal his NA. The thing about Neb is that anytime he has tried to bandwagon or question me he has backed down immediately almost as if he does not wish to draw attention.

Should we pressure Neb? The game has turned into a game of paranoia, which I find amusing. We have three different people voted for as I write. Pressuring Neb at this point would only split us more. Does that mean I don't have my suspicions? Nope.

[strike wolf]

Do you have another reason why you didn't get a result the se night that the town role blocker visited you other than being roleblocked ?

[strike wolf]

Do you have another reason why you didn't get a result the se night that the town role blocker visited you other than being roleblocked ?

Shall supposed to say same night not se night.

[chapcrap]

At this point in the game any loss oF town is a huge loss. My NA ceases to work only iF all the Deatheaters are dead, which in a roundabout way he implies.

False.

Losing a VT or someone similar would not be a huge loss at all at this point. Especially given the fact that a doctor or someone probably stopped a NK last night. 10 players left and probably 2 are mafia. Perhaps 3. Losing a VT would not be a huge loss. Losing a power role could be.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Oh, and 100 pages... woot!

-Tails