pmchugh wrote:Leehar wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:Rodion wrote:Those unvotes are cute, but being that Leehar was L-1ed for almost 19 hours (18 hours and 58 minutes between Jak's unvote and Everywhere's unvote), if he is town and if mafia has a vote stealer, odds are he has already been hammered.
The question now is: should we assume the vote stealer is mafia and force Leehar to claim (because in this scenario either Leehar is an already hammered townie or mafia)?
Well we can thereby assume that Leehar is mafia, so it doesn't matter what his claim is.
Eh? This vote stealer isn't in the summary, so where'd it come from and why does everyone think there is one? I don't remember it from before I was gone.
Anyway, since the consensus is mostly to claim, and no one doesn't want me to, might as well.
I'm town vig, and killed Dazza N1.
I'm not sure if I still have my role pm, but think my name was Gen. Dwight Eisenhower
I don't believe this. Why on earth did you shoot night 1 as a vig and why dazza, you seem to know yourself that this is not a good town play. I believe you probably shot dazza but it is far more likely that you did it as an SK rather than a vig.
Leehar wrote:I think whether it's a sk or vig is largely irrelevant. He benefited town so he's cool in my book, and all we should do is remind him (if he's vig) that it isn't usually good to kill because there's greater chance of hurting town than helping when the odds are against and only to kill when there's a strong scum-vibe as Saf said yesterday. tbh tho it isn't really dissimilar to the D1 kill that we did yesterday which seemed to be killing for the sake of killing.
And since dazza was on that wagon as well, we can presume that scum so that as an easy lynch as long as it wasn't them?
The bold part sounds like you know the score, and the rest sounds like pre-emptive excuses for killing him. The only thing that is working for you is the different MOs on the kills nights 1 and 2 but unless you have a good solid reason for the NK you will get my vote back. You never even voiced suspicions about dazza during the day either.
Of course I know the score, because everyone seemed pretty vigorous on that being a bad move, despite my luck in catching a mafia, so seemed like I should just confirm/clarify the point that I shouldn't kill as vig without actually outing myself.
Also, while you can think of those as preemptive excuses, that honestly was the reasoning that I used to kill him.
While there was also an element of gut feel, I was pretty confident that Mafia would have bandwagoned on to a good guy, so since I thought it was also unlikely that they'd start a wagon, or be on the end of it to hammer, I was looking for someone in the middle, that was also submarining somewhat. Doom, chuck and pmc seemed to fit the bill of activeness, and indeed got some heat upon themselves as well (at least doom and chuck in d1, not sure about pmc), so I felt safe in targetting dazza.
Also, running through my mind was that anyone comfortable enough in bandwagoning onto a blue guy kill 50 pages after it was first opined, had blood on their hands and would be as culpable as me if I did err and killed townie myself.
Fortunately I didn't, and listened the consensus that I shouldn't have targetted night 1, so even if I didn't go inactive before N2, I still wouldn't have killed anyone (and perhaps why I was content to stop paying attention to this thread since I wouldn't need to do any night action for a while). So yes, it wasn't me who spilt blood night 2 since I was inactive before then anyway.
Secondly, I don't know how to dispel these accusations that I'm an sk, but the best I can come up with (other than the whole I don't use knives) is that I am content to take one for the team. Plus, no one has lent any doubt upon my name credentials, and I think I've seen my name mentioned in one of the scenes, so if you really think I'm third party (as eisenhower), you're well and truly bonkers.
Also, if you still are content to lynch me, something else to consider is that you can't deny that having someone with firepower at night other than mafia should truly be useful, so I'd opine that only mafia will be wanting to kill me as I'm the only person capable of harming them while they do their dirty business at night. (And as I am the only one to have harmed them thus far)
