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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 4

Postby aage on Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:36 am

aage wrote:Now that I've vented that, I suppose I could respond to the theories.


I had two theories in my mind when I first read the recruit. First, Smith kills PR's and recruits VT's. Second, Smith only gets a recruit every other two nights. It seems both theories have been coined already, good.

Mouse is a character from Matrix 1. He is part of the crew of the Nebuchadnezzar, Morpheus' ship, but he dies in the first film. Edoc'sil pretty much got everything right about him, he was freed from the matrix so not originally from Zion. Otherwise he couldn't possibly enter the matrix and get shot while Morpheus gets captured. If all Nebuchadnezzar crew had a power role, him being a VT wouldn't make sense, but he is not very significant in the film. Remember the part where they're in a building and Neo gets that deja-vu? Brick walls turn up where there should be windows? That scene.

Basically, he does in no way support the VT theory that thechuck coined and can therefore be considered an odd-one-out.

Jak, I really don't understand why you are waiting for this suspect to come out and claim. If he had claimed hider, Doom could have counterclaimed and nothing would have been different except we would all already know who you were talking about. The vagueness is extremely annoying and disturbing, and I really would appreciate if you would stop playing your own game.

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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 3

Postby jonty125 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:47 am

aage wrote:Apparently Jak wants to wait for something, good luck with that.

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Awwww! I came too late! Anyway, nice case S7C. I'll look more into it tomorrow in D4.

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FOS SG7,

Also FOS vodean, for OMGUS'ing hippo.

I'd be interested in hearing more on aage's calling out neo & trinity.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 4

Postby everywhere116 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:10 am

aage wrote:Okay...
In regard to the claims of Neo and Trinity, and I suspect Neo will especially appreciate this...

Bullshit.

Trinity a tracker, okay. Trinity and Neo a couple, okay. Neo bulletproof, okay. Neo a hider? What the actual f*ck.

Vote Doom

I suspect you've been lying to us. I suspect you switched around your claims, Neo is the tracker and Trin is the hider. Lovely little strategy, but you're forgetting that whatever you two don't disclose, town can't use. Stop playing SK and start playing town, for heaven's sake. I completely understand why Edoc'sil would now suspect a recruit between the two of you.

What would be so bad if they switched their claims?
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 4

Postby aage on Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:20 am

everywhere116 wrote:
aage wrote:Okay...
In regard to the claims of Neo and Trinity, and I suspect Neo will especially appreciate this...

Bullshit.

Trinity a tracker, okay. Trinity and Neo a couple, okay. Neo bulletproof, okay. Neo a hider? What the actual f*ck.

Vote Doom

I suspect you've been lying to us. I suspect you switched around your claims, Neo is the tracker and Trin is the hider. Lovely little strategy, but you're forgetting that whatever you two don't disclose, town can't use. Stop playing SK and start playing town, for heaven's sake. I completely understand why Edoc'sil would now suspect a recruit between the two of you.

What would be so bad if they switched their claims?

I dislike lying townies. Elaborate plots and schemes are for scum. Secondly, this could easily have gotten them killed if the busdriver drove anyone with Doom. Thirdly, this continues Jak's pattern of deliberately depriving town of information and Godmoding, which is imho a poor way of playing claimed town. Edoc luckily already addressed the small scope that a tracker has anyway, otherwise I would've had so much more to rant about. :p

It's not completely proven that they switched claims, but I refuse to believe that Neo is only a hider.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 4

Postby jonty125 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:35 am

aage wrote:
everywhere116 wrote:
aage wrote:Okay...
In regard to the claims of Neo and Trinity, and I suspect Neo will especially appreciate this...

Bullshit.

Trinity a tracker, okay. Trinity and Neo a couple, okay. Neo bulletproof, okay. Neo a hider? What the actual f*ck.

Vote Doom

I suspect you've been lying to us. I suspect you switched around your claims, Neo is the tracker and Trin is the hider. Lovely little strategy, but you're forgetting that whatever you two don't disclose, town can't use. Stop playing SK and start playing town, for heaven's sake. I completely understand why Edoc'sil would now suspect a recruit between the two of you.

What would be so bad if they switched their claims?

I dislike lying townies. Elaborate plots and schemes are for scum. Secondly, this could easily have gotten them killed if the busdriver drove anyone with Doom. Thirdly, this continues Jak's pattern of deliberately depriving town of information and Godmoding, which is imho a poor way of playing claimed town. Edoc luckily already addressed the small scope that a tracker has anyway, otherwise I would've had so much more to rant about. :p

It's not completely proven that they switched claims, but I refuse to believe that Neo is only a hider.


I'm sure one of Doom or jak said they were hiding something.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 4

Postby everywhere116 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:46 am

aage wrote:
everywhere116 wrote:
aage wrote:Okay...
In regard to the claims of Neo and Trinity, and I suspect Neo will especially appreciate this...

Bullshit.

Trinity a tracker, okay. Trinity and Neo a couple, okay. Neo bulletproof, okay. Neo a hider? What the actual f*ck.

Vote Doom

I suspect you've been lying to us. I suspect you switched around your claims, Neo is the tracker and Trin is the hider. Lovely little strategy, but you're forgetting that whatever you two don't disclose, town can't use. Stop playing SK and start playing town, for heaven's sake. I completely understand why Edoc'sil would now suspect a recruit between the two of you.

What would be so bad if they switched their claims?

I dislike lying townies. Elaborate plots and schemes are for scum. Secondly, this could easily have gotten them killed if the busdriver drove anyone with Doom. Thirdly, this continues Jak's pattern of deliberately depriving town of information and Godmoding, which is imho a poor way of playing claimed town. Edoc luckily already addressed the small scope that a tracker has anyway, otherwise I would've had so much more to rant about. :p

It's not completely proven that they switched claims, but I refuse to believe that Neo is only a hider.
I can see it as a legit defensive maneuver. For instance, if scum thinks that jak is a tracker when he is a hider and Doom is the opposite, then they would try to kill jak and fail, while avoiding Doom, when he is a prime target.

One thing that bothers me, though, is if they had switched, how could they know the results of their night actions? Presumably saf would only give "Doom's" tracking results to him when day starts, at which point he wouldn't be able to hand it off to jak to claim with.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 4

Postby vodean on Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:54 am

really? people are challenging cleared Town PRs? that makes NO SENSE. lets pressure some extra cases. i want to hear from hippo on the above from me, and then i think we should alignment at least one of the following: edoc, chuck, everywhere (we have gotten a claim, but have no way of confirming town alignment), or hippo (is clear, but still acts scummy).

aage, if they were lying, that is their decision. it may not be the smartest move, but that is what they did. let us not give scum any more to work with than they already do.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 4

Postby DoomYoshi on Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:14 pm

We did not switch roles. I am actually a hider. However, I am suspecting there may be no cop. If I hide behind a mafia player, I die and so does Trinity. So we can do a Neo Russian Roulette where I just announce who I will hide behind and then if we are dead the following day we know that player was town. Trading 2 townies (including a tracker) for a scum doesn't seem like a good trade though.

I fully support testing the vodean lynch right now as flavour doesn't seem to fit. However, jak at this point, your "trap" is just lame. Just let us know who you tracked.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 4

Postby vodean on Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:19 pm

so what you guys are saying is that you really think mafia would push for a mafia lynch?

It may be a WIFOM defense but its a lot stronger than your flavor case
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 4

Postby DoomYoshi on Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:22 pm

vodean wrote:so what you guys are saying is that you really think mafia would push for a mafia lynch?

It may be a WIFOM defense but its a lot stronger than your flavor case


I am saying that I would do it as mafia, so if I were you, I would probably be mafia. (although I wouldn't claim quickly).
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 4

Postby jak111 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:30 pm

aage wrote:
everywhere116 wrote:
aage wrote:Okay...
In regard to the claims of Neo and Trinity, and I suspect Neo will especially appreciate this...

Bullshit.

Trinity a tracker, okay. Trinity and Neo a couple, okay. Neo bulletproof, okay. Neo a hider? What the actual f*ck.

Vote Doom

I suspect you've been lying to us. I suspect you switched around your claims, Neo is the tracker and Trin is the hider. Lovely little strategy, but you're forgetting that whatever you two don't disclose, town can't use. Stop playing SK and start playing town, for heaven's sake. I completely understand why Edoc'sil would now suspect a recruit between the two of you.

What would be so bad if they switched their claims?

I dislike lying townies. Elaborate plots and schemes are for scum. Secondly, this could easily have gotten them killed if the busdriver drove anyone with Doom. Thirdly, this continues Jak's pattern of deliberately depriving town of information and Godmoding, which is imho a poor way of playing claimed town. Edoc luckily already addressed the small scope that a tracker has anyway, otherwise I would've had so much more to rant about. :p

It's not completely proven that they switched claims, but I refuse to believe that Neo is only a hider.


Aage, you're really a pessimist, aren't you? You want to vote Doom? Good luck having anyone support you. I was thinking about switching our claims around to f*ck with mafia's minds D1, but after the N1 and N2 scene we knew mafia would see through something like that. No, Neo is a hider. It makes sense in a sort of way. I sorta think he should have been busdriver myself (Having the power to change the Matrix and all), but he's simply not. He's a hider, lover, AND mason. What more do you want him to have? God mode? But his hider makes sense in the case of in the original movie he was the prophecy and the agents weren't aware of him until later. But that's all I got, I'm not Saf, and neither are you Aage, so stop acting like you know how everything is working. Hell, if that's the case, what's your present thoughts on any other claim? Do you think they're bad for town/mafia as well?

Elaborate plots and schemes? We've been open with our information Aage, I've stated that I will bring forth who I tracked tonight if he doesn't himself. This is again, another pessimist view from you. Unlike you, I give people a chance to have a voice. I'm not 'Godmoding' or 'withholding information' as you like to put it.

Wanna know what I hate Aage? People who are so full of themselves. You're soo full of it, I'm surprised I bother answering your comment. Also, I find this funny.
aage wrote:If he had claimed hider, Doom could have counterclaimed and nothing would have been different

I'm not sure if it's due to your blind rage or trying to get us in some bad view. But "nothing would have been different"? Really? So I guess since Doom and I claimed Neo and Trinity, if someone else claimed either of them, nothing would be different? That's what it seems like you're saying with this. PR's are usually only ONE per side. Not multiple. 2 Hiders would be getting so complex and to go on a bit of Meta here, not Saf's style of game, to be possible. If the person I tracked claimed Hider, he'd find himself at the noose quickly.

I'm playing my "own game"? If I played my 'own' game Aage, I'd have putting a vote on you for being so pessimistic and supplying the town with no real help besides second guessing claimed power roles. I'd have brought the person forward and put a high FOS on him for his target in particular. I'd have told Doom to go screw himself and not bothered to ask him if he wanted to claim D3. I'd have withheld much more information than what we've given out so far.

If I was playing my own game bud, then you could call me a dick. However, I'm playing to the best of my ability in town's favor. Take your own advice before you start spewing out things without even thinking about what you're saying.
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I have to be more patient in structuring my posts.

^ Even admitting that you're not patient enough to think about what you're talking about. Things like these give you less credence for when you actually have something important to say.

Now that Aage's posts have been ripped on enough by me for one day, I've been sorta fastposted by Everywhere in the sense that he posted when I clicked the "POSTREPLY" button.

That was my thought process D1 for faking our claims only for a SINGLE day if it was needed, however, like I said, after N1 and N2, it would have done more harm than good. To success the WIFOM and to make it sort of true (Except it was in reverse and coded) is that before we came out with our claims we set up a coded system to tell each other what we did and what the action would be if anything. But to shoot down that WIFOM before it even gets started is that I posted who was targeted last night by the person I tracked well before Doom even made a post for the day.

Really, to sum it all up for you guys. It doesn't matter what we hid from you before or whatever, we bring things forward when we think it's right to do so. Aage is just going on a rant because he's upset that we don't do things EXACTLY like how he wants them to be. Bud, you came in as a reserve, don't come in expecting to boss people around, it's not going to work. Voting for Doom. what is that going to accomplish, like really, what?

Fasposted x2.

It's not a trap Doom, it's me letting someone come forth and speak for themselves. That's something Aage is too ignorant to understand. Don't follow his path.

Though, time for more disagreement. I don't think it's time to lynch Vodean just yet. Although I find him/her extremely annoying, we have more things we can do, and he/she is correct. Not with whom, but with what. People are stalling any progress with "I don't think the two claimed power roles are town" (around those lines, but you get what I mean hopefully).

Honestly, I'd be more interested in something from these guys.
~MoB
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~Aage (Since obviously he knows soo much about withholding information)
~Leehar (prod?) (May 19th.. like really..)
~Jonty

That's a big list, I know. But it's more for added views and information at the moment.

Fasposted again x2.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 4

Postby vodean on Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:38 pm

ok guys. stop. you want to flame, do it in PMs. not here. this is a place for mafia, not gangrape.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 4

Postby vodean on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:55 pm

also, whoever jak is referring to, please come forward, so we can move on
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 4

Postby soundman on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:58 pm

Well quite the start to the day. Frankly Jak, you should just have told us who it was and been done with it. I do not see any advantage for us by you withholding that information. There is no reason for you to keep the name from us and it is holding up the day. I'd like to get some cases going instead of waiting on you.

vodean wrote:so what you guys are saying is that you really think mafia would push for a mafia lynch?

It may be a WIFOM defense but its a lot stronger than your flavor case

I've done it before as mafia. I actually tried to purposefully get one of my mafia buddies lynched just so I would be safe long enough to win. A lot of times it makes a great defense.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 4

Postby Djfireside on Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:20 pm

As for Doom and Jak, dont go outing and chasing our two important roles on a whim. I can understand how it may be disagreed on their role but what can you do. If he is a hider, there is more than likely a reason so let it go. Unless it gets counter claimed and brings up a whole new story, they need to be protected. If they lied about having the others roles so be it but as others have stated, barking up that tree is not a good sign unless you have some info that you are not saying. FOS Aage.

As for Vodean's claim of VT, It striked me off initally that Mouse was a VT but there were a few others I was struck on. However based on how things have been going it does seem a bit strange that a non Zionist is a VT. Im only slightly waffling on it for the simple fact that in the movies, mouse played a small part other than creating the girl in the red dress and getting shot to hell, didnt have much contribution.

I have gotten used to Jak's methodology with certain things so I will let it play out and they appear to have a reason and based on their claim I wont fight it. I hate it when they do it but since they have information that could help us out I tend to give him enough rope to play with. Anything to work with is better than nothing.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 4

Postby vodean on Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:49 pm

well shit. nevermind then. did you kill the ninja though?
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 4

Postby edocsil on Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:22 pm

aage wrote:This could easily have gotten them killed if the busdriver drove anyone with Doom.


Very easily. Or if say busdriver targeted vts and unclaimed likely PRs to help keep said PRs alive. You two could have really made a mess of things and hurt the town badly.

Jak, enough of the offended nerd rage. No one cares. Just spill the track, all you are doing is giving them time to scramble a defense if you are actually right.

Also, others lay off Aage. He is one of the players I respect the most here, and if he says something was wrong, it's for a reason. Perhaps it is nothing but attempted misdirection, but the odds of that are low, the move has too much potential to backfire.

Also, as far as the OMG TOWN POWER ROLES defense goes, remember recruiter. We have nothing solid to say that anyone is still their starting alignment. Just remember that, only thing so far is a thing flavor shield saying else wise.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 4

Postby aage on Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:24 pm

jak111 wrote:Aage, you're really a pessimist, aren't you? You want to vote Doom? Good luck having anyone support you. I was thinking about switching our claims around to f*ck with mafia's minds D1, but after the N1 and N2 scene we knew mafia would see through something like that. No, Neo is a hider. It makes sense in a sort of way. I sorta think he should have been busdriver myself (Having the power to change the Matrix and all), but he's simply not. He's a hider, lover, AND mason. What more do you want him to have? God mode? But his hider makes sense in the case of in the original movie he was the prophecy and the agents weren't aware of him until later. But that's all I got, I'm not Saf, and neither are you Aage, so stop acting like you know how everything is working. Hell, if that's the case, what's your present thoughts on any other claim? Do you think they're bad for town/mafia as well?
Lover is a negative, vulnerable quality, not a power role. Masonry is often innate to lovers to balance out this negative quality. So all that you're left with is a hider... With Smith being able to recruit new people into his group and Mifune (who wasn't actually ever seen inside the Matrix...) is a vigilante, I very very very much doubt that this is his only real "power". Being able to hide behind people like a coward. You do truly expect me to believe this? Please note that I never doubted your name claim, I never said I did, even though you seem to have missed this piece of information. I do however doubt your roleclaim. I said so in the first post. I highly suspect you and Doom are lying about your powers and I hope one of you has the sense to come clean.

Elaborate plots and schemes? We've been open with our information Aage, I've stated that I will bring forth who I tracked tonight if he doesn't himself. This is again, another pessimist view from you. Unlike you, I give people a chance to have a voice. I'm not 'Godmoding' or 'withholding information' as you like to put it.
Being open with information by withholding it seems a little contradictory. You're not putting less pressure on this person by not providing his name. S/he will still have to come forward and claim some power role because you think he's Smith, for which there is no other hard proof but your own gut feeling.

Wanna know what I hate Aage? People who are so full of themselves. You're soo full of it, I'm surprised I bother answering your comment. Also, I find this funny.
aage wrote:If he had claimed hider, Doom could have counterclaimed and nothing would have been different

I'm not sure if it's due to your blind rage or trying to get us in some bad view. But "nothing would have been different"? Really? So I guess since Doom and I claimed Neo and Trinity, if someone else claimed either of them, nothing would be different? That's what it seems like you're saying with this. PR's are usually only ONE per side. Not multiple. 2 Hiders would be getting so complex and to go on a bit of Meta here, not Saf's style of game, to be possible. If the person I tracked claimed Hider, he'd find himself at the noose quickly.
Look at the top of the page, you're misreading my post, or at the very least my intentions.

I'm playing my "own game"? If I played my 'own' game Aage, I'd have putting a vote on you for being so pessimistic and supplying the town with no real help besides second guessing claimed power roles. I'd have brought the person forward and put a high FOS on him for his target in particular. I'd have told Doom to go screw himself and not bothered to ask him if he wanted to claim D3. I'd have withheld much more information than what we've given out so far.
You've started your fourth paragraph with a rhetorical question now, fyi. You might want to change your argument structure. That has nothing to do with the game, though.

Contrary to popular belief, expressing my personal thoughts and opinions is considered supplying the town with help. That's pretty much all the help I can offer you. On the other hand, you are a power role. You have information to share with this town, but instead decide that you are the only one capable of forming a proper opinion about it. This is why I accused you of Godmoding. I also recall that Doom mentioned at least once that your ruse-attempts were impractical and that he decided to spill the beans anyway. This leads me to believe that you're not that good of a teammate.
Trust me, I don't plan on lynching either of you, I am merely letting you know that I dislike your gameplay and hope that you will attempt to be more forthcoming. My vote on Neo was just to get your attention to the fact that Neo's power claim makes no sense whatsoever.


If I was playing my own game bud, then you could call me a dick. However, I'm playing to the best of my ability in town's favor. Take your own advice before you start spewing out things without even thinking about what you're saying.
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aage wrote:I heard MoB was going to make a big post, looking forward to it, considering his 'mispost' in which he claimed Everywhere to be scum.

I have to be more patient in structuring my posts.

^ Even admitting that you're not patient enough to think about what you're talking about. Things like these give you less credence for when you actually have something important to say.
Being "too eager" to share my thoughts is hardly hypocritical. Nice try turning the argument around, though, and I will gladly admit that I was a bit pissed when I wrote the initial post. Hence the follow-up.

That was my thought process D1 for faking our claims only for a SINGLE day if it was needed, however, like I said, after N1 and N2, it would have done more harm than good. To success the WIFOM and to make it sort of true (Except it was in reverse and coded) is that before we came out with our claims we set up a coded system to tell each other what we did and what the action would be if anything. But to shoot down that WIFOM before it even gets started is that I posted who was targeted last night by the person I tracked well before Doom even made a post for the day.

Really, to sum it all up for you guys. It doesn't matter what we hid from you before or whatever, we bring things forward when we think it's right to do so. Aage is just going on a rant because he's upset that we don't do things EXACTLY like how he wants them to be. Bud, you came in as a reserve, don't come in expecting to boss people around, it's not going to work. Voting for Doom. what is that going to accomplish, like really, what?
I like how I am now the guy bossing people around. I recall this is called 'OMGUS', right? :P

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Vodean wrote:aage, if they were lying, that is their decision. it may not be the smartest move, but that is what they did. let us not give scum any more to work with than they already do.

I agree that it is or was their call. What I am doing is telling them what I think about it ;)


I've done it before as mafia. I actually tried to purposefully get one of my mafia buddies lynched just so I would be safe long enough to win. A lot of times it makes a great defense.

In the first game of Mafia I ever played here, I quickhammered my scummate on day one and won the game easily because everyone trusted me. That was only with seven players, though, and my scummate hated me afterwards - rightfully so.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 4

Postby Iron Butterfly on Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:32 pm

I beleive Vodean is Town. A mafia ninja is an unlikely role to want to gamble to "look" town by helping to lynch it. Its kinda silly really.

I beleive that Jak and Doom are who they say. The main reason is that if they were Mafia either the real Neo or Trinity would step forward. If there is a Trinity/Neo who are Town, one we do not know that they would be masoned as well and two they would realize that they could survive an argument if they are good at it but more importantly the real Trinity/Neo would be able to take down two Mafia/Third Party.

However as someone pointed out early in the game Mafia can talk to each other so Mafia masons are a redundancy.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 4

Postby vodean on Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:26 pm

aage, i realize that you were only pointing something out. my question is why. If you are right, you are only helping scum. if you are wrong, you are at best wasting our time.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 4

Postby jak111 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:36 pm

soundman wrote:Well quite the start to the day. Frankly Jak, you should just have told us who it was and been done with it. I do not see any advantage for us by you withholding that information. There is no reason for you to keep the name from us and it is holding up the day. I'd like to get some cases going instead of waiting on you.

vodean wrote:so what you guys are saying is that you really think mafia would push for a mafia lynch?

It may be a WIFOM defense but its a lot stronger than your flavor case

I've done it before as mafia. I actually tried to purposefully get one of my mafia buddies lynched just so I would be safe long enough to win. A lot of times it makes a great defense.


See, now this is the problem. I state something and everyone's panties get in a knot. If you want to do something while we wait then go ahead. Just because Aage is getting all worked up about doesn't mean we need to pay him much attention, he can complain all he wants to. Just because I'm waiting for someone's response doesn't mean the entire game needs to be on stand still.. you guys MAKE it on stand still by bull shitting around it.

As for Dj's post, nicely done good sir. You learn fast ;) Haha. Though I don't 100% trust Vodean, a VT for Mouse makes sense. He didn't really have a MAJOR role in the movie, but just big enough to be noticed.

As far as Edoc's post goes, I think Aage just blew that out of the water (the positive things you had to say about him that is). Because really Aage? You still don't believe Doom's a Hider? What do you want us to say? That he's a cop, tracker, watcher, bulletproof, bodyguard, role blocker, vig, busdriver, AND lover/mason all in one? This is a mafia game mate, Saf can't just give people a thousand different powers.

As for the withholding information, again, I'm not, you can complain all you want to Aage, I'm giving him a chance to come clean about it. If that doesn't fit your wants, too bad bud. What information do you have that you withhold from us? if you're not a VT you must have something, no? So stop being a hypocrite. Just because we're exposed PR's does not mean we must give out on demand, we pick and choose what we do, we're just more confirmed than most people. So don't give me the "But we know what you are, it's no use hiding information" Well, I think it is considering 2 PR's that are lovers and masoned together have survived this long. You get what we give you. Beggars can't be choosers.

I know your intentions, doesn't mean I'll give you what you want Aage, for all we know you're smith or mafia. I'm not saying that you ARE either of them but you could be.

Honestly, yea me and Doom have our disagreements, we aren't the best pair for we rarely see eye to eye in things, does it mean that we dislike each other? Not really. I'm not going to fall into your little argument there Aage, you know I already answered your 'Godmoding' accusation. I am merely stating that I WILL tell the town what happened, but that I'm giving the person to come forth beforehand so that the town's minds aren't biased. You're a prime example of why I'm giving him time. You think you're always right and that we should bend to your will. I for one, will not. If I played how you think I should, I'd have died off 1-2 nights ago with Doom. But instead we're both still here, still breathing. If that isn't enough for you, sorry that your expectations are so high for everyone around you.

No, it's not a nice 'try', it's a nice catch. I'm not going to tell you to play this this and that way, but settle down, let your mind think straight for a bit, and don't let your personal emotions on how the game 'should' be played block out everything.

OMGUS, as I've come to be taught here on CC only can be used for people who vote someone for voting them. I learn things from others as I play, yes. But you really don't see how your attitude right now is a bossy one? You demand things that you have been told will be given at a later time in the exact same day. What more do you want? A pacifier? All jokes aside though, you do need to take a breather. Clear your head a bit.

Yea, you're telling us what you 'think' about it. But in a demanding way that really won't get you no where with me bud. Ask Doom or any other that has played with me, when it comes to a thought process that I'm solid with, no one can really change my mind. Take the Skyrim game for example. I let myself be lynched D1 because of my thought process.

Fasposted by Vodean. Smart girl/boy. Veterans seem to get stuck on whether they're right. They get stuck with how the game 'should' be played even if it means outing townies. Ask Doom on that one ;).
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 4

Postby vodean on Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:36 pm

wow, jak, thats two essays. in a row. wow.

I also just want to say that im not 100% sure about you. If you werent essentially proven town, i would just about vote you. then i think about it. so i guess im kinda the same?
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 4

Postby safariguy5 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:41 pm

Vote Count

vodean(2)- chuck, hippo
hippo(1)- vodean
doom(1)- aage

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

I'll see if Neb wants to replace Leehar, Leehar hasn't been active in some of the other mafia games either.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 4

Postby vodean on Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:43 pm

neb is in exams. they end tomorrow
he should start being more active then.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 4

Postby safariguy5 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:45 pm

vodean wrote:neb is in exams. they end tomorrow
he should start being more active then.

Well that's fine, he's currently a dead VT in this game anyways, so he's eligible to replace if he wants to.
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