Avatar, The Last Airbender - Game over

[william18]

I believe that flores and GT are town, and cena and mandy are scum, and must die.

have any proof of these claims, or are you just taking up bandwith?

Unless backed up, opinions are really worthless.

seriously?? and what "REAL" backing up have all the lambs on my bandwagon? at least him voice his baseless opinion in a clear, honest and simple way, instead of make us lose time with half page of fluff

Personally the more discussion, no matter what kind, except for spam, can be very helpful. That way there are more opportunities to see were peoples alliences/motives possibly are.

[nagerous]

I believe that flores and GT are town, and cena and mandy are scum, and must die.

have any proof of these claims, or are you just taking up bandwith?

Unless backed up, opinions are really worthless.

seriously?? and what "REAL" backing up have all the lambs on my bandwagon? at least him voice his baseless opinion in a clear, honest and simple way, instead of make us lose time with half page of fluff

Personally the more discussion, no matter what kind, except for spam, can be very helpful. That way there are more opportunities to see were peoples alliences/motives possibly are.

Hence my yanking of chains

See how people react.

[nagerous]

unvote vote cena

always a good day one lynch.

[Shadowstar]

Seeing Flores's posts makes me more and more inclined to believe her... What she's saying, it makes sense, and I think I have a pretty good idea of her role if she is telling the truth...

On the other hand, daydream has completely fallen silent as soon as the attention diverted away from him, falling under the radar. Unvote Vote daydream

[gimpyThewonder]

lets do this, even thought lynch me is the wrong thing to do when there are so many other leads, like cena, daydream and gympy, if you manage to lynch me, ill be proven town, then when this happen PLEASE use your brain and NK or lynch mandy, so at least this time around him doesnt get away with shrugging and saying "oops another townie down"

so what you are saying is that those voting for you are the ones who are scum? good defence. I don't know how it is you haven't been voted off yet, everything you've done has implicated you. I've layed out a pretty clear case, those on your list haven't done anything scummy. the rest of the town should see that you are grasping @ straws. oh and please stop w/ the pronoun abuse it pains my brain to read.

[daydream]

Seeing Flores's posts makes me more and more inclined to believe her... What she's saying, it makes sense, and I think I have a pretty good idea of her role if she is telling the truth...

On the other hand, daydream has completely fallen silent as soon as the attention diverted away from him, falling under the radar. Unvote Vote daydream

yes that is a convincing argument, i havent made a post for about 11 hours. i am sure there are enough people who havent posted for longer than that. also, i am right now studying for my exam tomorrow morning... well technically today morning by now. thats why i have been trying to keep away from forums etc. in less than 7 hours i will be sitting in a large room trying to put my knowledge on paper... so dont expect anything from me until in at earliest 10 hours, probably later.

[Shadowstar]

Seeing Flores's posts makes me more and more inclined to believe her... What she's saying, it makes sense, and I think I have a pretty good idea of her role if she is telling the truth...

On the other hand, daydream has completely fallen silent as soon as the attention diverted away from him, falling under the radar. Unvote Vote daydream

yes that is a convincing argument, i havent made a post for about 11 hours. i am sure there are enough people who havent posted for longer than that. also, i am right now studying for my exam tomorrow morning... well technically today morning by now. thats why i have been trying to keep away from forums etc. in less than 7 hours i will be sitting in a large room trying to put my knowledge on paper... so dont expect anything from me until in at earliest 10 hours, probably later.

Sorry about that, I missed those two posts at the bottom of that page... <_<

[got tonkaed]

ill reiteriate mando, flores is not scum. Consider the subbing i was doing for a while, do you not think it makes a little sense that she makes a post about a partner clearing her, and at that point i show up. There isnt really any conspiracy, shes being unnecessarily attacked and im again attempting to clear her good name. I will not be a part of any day 1 vote that i know is a waste of time. I dont think ace is scum either, so i question anyone at the moment who is simply following because mandy is barking the loudest out of everyone.

[F1fth]

Meh, the daydream wagon is as stupid as the Flores one if you ask me.

What cements Flores towniness to me was the little throw of support from GT. Here's the quote:

hey there, allow me to say it would be no good to vote flores.

Daydream as ga7 has suggested has been doing quite a large amount of vote hopping, unnecessarily so. Also i dont think i really believe mandos out on a limb case here, but i do know that ace and flores arent scum buddies. Ill consider voting daydream if more evidence starts to go that way.

The bandwagon on flores as usual is full of day 1 sillyness.

Unless the need was dire, I have never seen an experienced scum player connect their name (e.g. arguing that you know for a fact that someone isn't scum) to a scum buddy when they are in trouble. Especially a relatively newer player who Tonka doesn't know, one who could possibly mess up and damn them both. That's what clears her in my mind.

Now as for the daydream thing, the only lead against him was the fact that GA got a noob scum vibe from him based on his voting patterns. But then he explained his reasoning, and they seemed sound enough to me, or at least sound enough not to lynch him over it.

(Link to daydream's post. I'd quote it, but it's a really long quote chain already.)


But Mandy on the other hand has started up his "chase ace" thing again after my post. ANOTHER reversal of behavior. I'm not dead set on his lynch, but I think pursuing that avenue is our best option for now. Let's see how Mandy handles the pressure.

Vote Mr. Lorian

[FloresDelMal]

lets do this, even thought lynch me is the wrong thing to do when there are so many other leads, like cena, daydream and gympy, if you manage to lynch me, ill be proven town, then when this happen PLEASE use your brain and NK or lynch mandy, so at least this time around him doesnt get away with shrugging and saying "oops another townie down"

so what you are saying is that those voting for you are the ones who are scum? good defence. I don't know how it is you haven't been voted off yet, everything you've done has implicated you. I've layed out a pretty clear case, those on your list haven't done anything scummy. the rest of the town should see that you are grasping @ straws. oh and please stop w/ the pronoun abuse it pains my brain to read.

the only thing you have layed out, is that if you are scum your strategies are reckless, thoughtless and blatant; but since is day 1 you might get away with it, and if you are town, you are just intellectually impaired. but what you layed out and proved more than anything else is that you are a jerk of the worst kind, disqualify GA7 argument only because he is my couple?? that is a phallacy of logic, it is called ad hominem phallacy; if you had 2 grms of culture or education you could know it; anyway please state the facts about your case instead of making more useless references, because as i say it now, the only reason jerks like you are in my back is because i claimed to be a townie, whose role includes the flavor of a main character, and i defended a townie when was bandwagoned after him made a perfectly sustainable claim who no one has counterclaimed and i even let out that i am a freaking mason; so please, put up your case describing point by point your solid argument against me.

And about my bandwagon and my almost blase attitude about being lynched, here are my reasons:

1.- I have very little patience for stupidity (even thought i know calling you guys stupids doesnt help my popularity in fact hats off to manipulative back stabbing scum like mandy, still i think gympy could be the poster child for side effects of smoking during pregnancy)

2.- I prefer that you bunch of lambs lynch me instead of ace, not because i like him, in fact i still beliave him is a poor player and i couldnt accept him in one of my games till he learns the ropes better; but because he is a freaking claimed townie for fucks sake, and i think it is important to protect him; therefore if there is a doc out there, the smarter thing you could do now is protect ace, most likely scum is trying to get me lynched today and NK ace in the night; dont let them get away with this.

3.- because if my lynch manages to break the hamelin flutist spell on all of you, i believe my death will have been worthy; its not a too costy price for prevent town to be fooled in more crucial situations along the game.

4.- i think this game have too many newbies and this might prove to be a PITA in the days to come; is not that i dont trust SL as a mod, i know him to be a brilliant player, and i was excited to play a game run by him, but i think play with players like william, cena, daydream and gympy who bore the hell out of me, is not worth it.

[got tonkaed]

psh, ease back there a little bit flores. I wouldnt have outed myself if i thought you were just going to pack it in and piss off a bandwagon to test my alignment.

Yes people are not always the smart on day 1. However, there should be roughly 3 players who are close to if not cleared as town players, so that in theory should either start to turn some of the investigation toward mando or bring it in another direction. It doesnt seem to serve anyones interest to bring the attention back to a bandwagon on you, when for the most part it would seemingly be about to disappear.

Id propose starting to question mando more or to bring the train of thought into a different direction.

[Sierra_Leon]

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Vote count

FloresDelMal - 6 (Fircoal, daydream, gimpyThewonder, william18, jnd94, mandalorian2298)
mandalorian2298 - 4 (FloresDelMal, Minister Masket, ace1217, F1fth)
daydream - 3 (ga7, Thezzaruz, Shadowstar)
ace1217 - 1 (militant)
cena-rules - 1 (nagerous)

Not voting: got tonkaed, Skoffin, kwanton, pancakemix, cena-rules

With 20 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch.


Announcement

Personal insults are not accepted in a mafia game. FloresDelMal receives a warning for flaming. Anyone who receives two warnings will be replaced.

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[daydream]

the only thing you have layed out, is that if you are scum your strategies are reckless, thoughtless and blatant; but since is day 1 you might get away with it, and if you are town, you are just intellectually impaired. but what you layed out and proved more than anything else is that you are a jerk of the worst kind, disqualify GA7 argument only because he is my couple?? that is a phallacy of logic, it is called ad hominem phallacy; if you had 2 grms of culture or education you could know it; anyway please state the facts about your case instead of making more useless references, because as i say it now, the only reason jerks like you are in my back is because i claimed to be a townie, whose role includes the flavor of a main character, and i defended a townie when was bandwagoned after him made a perfectly sustainable claim who no one has counterclaimed and i even let out that i am a freaking mason; so please, put up your case describing point by point your solid argument against me.

And about my bandwagon and my almost blase attitude about being lynched, here are my reasons:

1.- I have very little patience for stupidity (even thought i know calling you guys stupids doesnt help my popularity in fact hats off to manipulative back stabbing scum like mandy, still i think gympy could be the poster child for side effects of smoking during pregnancy)

2.- I prefer that you bunch of lambs lynch me instead of ace, not because i like him, in fact i still beliave him is a poor player and i couldnt accept him in one of my games till he learns the ropes better; but because he is a freaking claimed townie for fucks sake, and i think it is important to protect him; therefore if there is a doc out there, the smarter thing you could do now is protect ace, most likely scum is trying to get me lynched today and NK ace in the night; dont let them get away with this.

3.- because if my lynch manages to break the hamelin flutist spell on all of you, i believe my death will have been worthy; its not a too costy price for prevent town to be fooled in more crucial situations along the game.

4.- i think this game have too many newbies and this might prove to be a PITA in the days to come; is not that i dont trust SL as a mod, i know him to be a brilliant player, and i was excited to play a game run by him, but i think play with players like william, cena, daydream and gympy who bore the hell out of me, is not worth it.

come on flores, is that aggressive tone really necessary? i remember you complaining about my teammates being asses in the Dojo Yaburi and sadly you were right, from that i would have expected of you least of all to react like this.

[FloresDelMal]

well are things like what your teammates did, and this gynpy guy did what really hits a nerve, i really dislike being underestimated for bs, like saying i beat a whole team just because of luck, or that someone puts a perfectly plausible case just because is my bf ^^ irl that could have been slap worthy.

[kwanton]

HAH! Man am I happy i stayed outta that one.

Proceed with the cutthroatery everyone. I'll just be sitting here. Watching....laughing....

[F1fth]

well are things like what your teammates did, and this gynpy guy did what really hits a nerve, i really dislike being underestimated for bs, like saying i beat a whole team just because of luck, or that someone puts a perfectly plausible case just because is my bf ^^ irl that could have been slap worthy.

Still. It's a game on a forum. Take a chill pill.

[gimpyThewonder]

wow, just wow. I'll try to keep this reply civil since that's what respectable people do. 1) I was going to come on here this morning and unvote after Tonka cleared you, since there is no cult then your mason claim must be true. so I'll do that now unvote. 2) I'm a grad student (or I will be in december when the course starts up) which means i already have a degree, which means I'm well educated and cultured already (if you're curious my thesis was on Free Will in Christianity and Budhism). Please refrain from base insults to my intelligence, they are beneath both of us. 3) It. is. a. game. So please do us all a favor calm the f*ck down 4) My intent was to put pressure on you, you were the one to claim a central role Day 1 for no reason, it seemed a scum tactic to me, still does. You can question my strategies all you want, but you are the one who outed yourself as having a pivital role for no reason, on DAY 1. I'll leave it there. 5) I meant no disrespect to you or to ga7 but you'll have to forgive me if his defense of you had more of a back off my girlfriend vibe than an actual defence. 6) I bear you no ill will so please don't take this game personal. 7) I have to go take my baby to the doctor now for his check up, while i'm gone feel free to either consider me burying the hatchet and moving on or getting your knickers in a knot and hurling insults. your call

[kwanton]

He tries to say don't insult his intelligence, then he tells us his thesis is on free will in Christianity and Buddhism. Gwahahahahahahaha!!!


Heh just kidding. My thesis will probably be something dumb. Gonna try to fanagle something about U.S. and Western ideals preventing the Middle East from growing in power and wealth. POLISCI major FTW!!!

[gimpyThewonder]

specifically the writings of Thomas Aquinas and Gautama Buddha himself, its only 23 pages if you're interested

[ga7]

BAH! so all it takes to clear yourself now is to throw a tantrum and have your boyfriend back you up? talk about a steamy pile. major FOS on ga7 - keep your personal life feelings outta the game. we have flores dead to rights on a slip up (or a stupid mistake if she were town) until ga7 comes to her rescue just like he did in our dub vs. sub discussion. no sir I don't buy it[-X she's scum and now i'm thinking you might be as well.

wow, just wow. I'll try to keep this reply civil since that's what respectable people do. [...]
3) It. is. a. game.

You got some fucking nerve. Who the f*ck mixed RL and a game here to start with, dumbass?
I intervened not because my girlfriend was getting lynched, but because to my astonishment a freaking obvious townie was. And for the record in the signups discussion I was giving my fucking opinion, moron.

You have no case, no slipup, and yet you stayed all high and mighty until your total backtracking in both attitude and play in your last post. I'm not sure I can scratch the possibility of you being a retarded townie to think ou can only be scum, however.

Sorry SL I guess I'll take a warning but I find unfair that Gimpy didn't get one for this personal attack. It's simply the first time in a year and a half of mafia playing here that I've been insulted and offended like this.

Back to game...

the first thing i could think after reading it was wait... you accused at least 3 different people of being scum plus one of being a lyncher. how can that ever hold water?

Do you think there's only one scum in the game? Recently in another game I accused 3 people of being potential cult leader. Turns out one was, and the 2 others his cult buddies. So there

Let's adress for the last time the logic, or lackthereof, behind Flores' case.
OMG Ace claimed a main character! He must be SCUM!
OMG Flores defends Ace saying she's a main character too! She must be SCUM!
OMG GT confirm Flores' mason claim! He must be SCUM!
Can anyone not Mandy care to tell me how this chain of naive reasoning is not retarded? No? Right.

I already said that in a game with safe claims you can't conclude that someone is pro-Town based on a claim. In fact, maybe real Toph simply decided not to counter-claim because he doesn't want to reveal himself to the Mobsters.

I find this part of Mandy's unholdable position interesting and confirms my opinion of him as a likely lyncher. It sounds like he will counterclaim Toph if pressured, but forgot a little detail: if Sierra provides fakeclaims, do you think he would give one that can be countered?

I agree with GT that Flores would be better replaced if she doesn't want to keep playing than voted off; we have now 3 pretty much cleared townies, and I'd hate to think this was not to catch at least a scum.

I'm more or less satisfied with Daydream's answer to his actions, and feel it could go either way so might not be worth pursuing. I feel the most confident with Mandy's lead all in all.
Unvote Vote Mandy

[william18]

Can't argue with Tonka coming forth, unless he is a really bold scum. So unvote. But anyway, mandy hasn't done anything lynch worthy. His notions on Ace being scum is plausible(even though unlikely) and his suscpiscions on Flores was not nearly grasping straws. Anyway I too gotta re-read.

[Sierra_Leon]

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Vote count

mandalorian2298 - 5 (FloresDelMal, Minister Masket, ace1217, F1fth, ga7)
FloresDelMal - 4 (Fircoal, daydream, jnd94, mandalorian2298)
daydream - 2 (Thezzaruz, Shadowstar)
ace1217 - 1 (militant)
cena-rules - 1 (nagerous)

Not voting: got tonkaed, Skoffin, kwanton, pancakemix, cena-rules, gimpyThewonder, william18

With 20 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch.


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[Thezzaruz]

I'm more or less satisfied with Daydream's answer to his actions, and feel it could go either way so might not be worth pursuing.

I'm not quite there yet but it's close.

specifically the writings of Thomas Aquinas and Gautama Buddha himself, its only 23 pages if you're interested

Strangely enough that actually sounded interesting.

[pancakemix]

This is an interesting claim. unvote vote Flores because 1) I believe that both she and Ace are scum (and no, I am not skimming Pancake. You are. I already said that in a game with safe claims you can't conclude that someone is pro-Town based on a claim. In fact, maybe real Toph simply decided not to counter-claim because he doesn't want to reveal himself to the Mobsters. ), 2) If Flores turns Scum, we will have a good case on Tonka for protecting her, 3) For reasons unknowable to me you guys are refusing to do the right thing and lynch Ace and i don't feel like arguing for 80 pages.

But a main character? No one's that evil. Except maybe you.

Mandy, you've been notably silent about this. Mind filling me in on how you feel on this or do I have to vote you?

[FloresDelMal]

you were the one to claim a central role Day 1 for no reason, it seemed a scum tactic to me, still does. You can question my strategies all you want, but you are the one who outed yourself as having a pivital role for no reason, on DAY 1. I'll leave it there.

this never happened, i claimed to be a "MAIN CHARACTER" no more, no less, everything else is just you distorting and concluding, and "getting your knickers in a knot" seems a quite sexist remark to me, i dont see why you are not getting a warning; anyway i wont call you anything else than a jerk, so we should be fine from now on as long as you grad school intellect is actually put in good use.

the first thing i could think after reading it was wait... you accused at least 3 different people of being scum plus one of being a lyncher. how can that ever hold water?

Do you think there's only one scum in the game? Recently in another game I accused 3 people of being potential cult leader. Turns out one was, and the 2 others his cult buddies. So there

Indeed, with a game this size we should be looking for at least, at the very best 4 scums, maybe 5; and i dare to say at least 3 should be in my bandwagon; so its a good start as any for start to hunt scum.

Let's adress for the last time the logic, or lackthereof, behind Flores' case.
OMG Ace claimed a main character! He must be SCUM!
OMG Flores defends Ace saying she's a main character too! She must be SCUM!
OMG GT confirm Flores' mason claim! He must be SCUM!
Can anyone not Mandy care to tell me how this chain of naive reasoning is not retarded? No? Right.

if that kind of (Lack) of reasoning is not grasp for straws, then i dont know what is.

I already said that in a game with safe claims you can't conclude that someone is pro-Town based on a claim. In fact, maybe real Toph simply decided not to counter-claim because he doesn't want to reveal himself to the Mobsters. :idea:

I find this part of Mandy's unholdable position interesting and confirms my opinion of him as a likely lyncher. It sounds like he will counterclaim Toph if pressured, but forgot a little detail: if Sierra provides fakeclaims, do you think he would give one that can be countered?

I think what mandy tried to do here is besides spread madness and confusion as usual, was try to keep for himself the toph claim "allright guys, since i cant do anything else, ill have to go out of the closet, im toph, ace lied, do the right thing, handle me my lyncher win" my vote is on him still, and i have claimed before, i wish i could vote him again, first and prolly last time ever i wish i was double voter

I agree with GT that Flores would be better replaced if she doesn't want to keep playing than voted off; we have now 3 pretty much cleared townies, and I'd hate to think this was not to catch at least a scum.

fair enough, i know thanatos sometimes get the best part of me, must be the little goth girl inside me anyway GT and you are right, after clear at least 3 townies (a couple more in my mind thought) we should be hunting scum; i just hope the lambs will stop of blindly follow the flautist, but we will see (and i said lambs and not rats as in the original tale because everyone might be oversensitive and accuse me of flamming, or send me to take a chill pill, but i didnt wrote the tales kid's, blame the brothers grimms *smirk* )