[OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia - Town Scarred as Mafia Wins!

[Skoffin]

As for the whole lynching argument, I'm only going to say that town should always lynch when they can - the only time town should no lynch is when the towns nightgame is stronger than the scums nightgame.

I can see the points made on Masket, on the other hand being on the fence is sortof his trademark. I'll reserve judgement for now.
Dakky is probably town, mostly because he seems exactly the sort of person to start shooting people the moment he's able to.

Now about the lovely but scummy skoff, i didnt realize that my vote was the fourth, but is not like i putted her at lynch -1, -2, heck not even -3, that was hardly a BW, but as things are my vote stands for now, yeah i might be joking when i say that she is ever scummy, but putting a vote on day 1 on someone who not only scummarine a lot, but also admitted to be skimming seemed, and still seems a good and logic day 1 choice to me, oh and by the way the dead scum also admited to skim before his early dismiss heh (classic scum signs are classic for a reason, they work )

While I don't think there is enough of anything to warrant finding you scummy, I do think "I didn't realise my vote was" is a bit of a cop out. Regardless of mods giving vote counts players should pay attention to how many votes are going where. Slight amusement that you call me out for scumarining a lot as justification for my apparent scummyness when you've done a fair bit of it yourself. For the record, I didn't say I was skimming - I said I didn't read it at all

Skoff can you please elaborate more about dakky, you lost me there, i have not seen anything indicating that he could be town or scum, and also about MM i have been out of the mafia scene for so long that i dont remember much about his playing style, but in my vague memories i remember him as a good player, it doesnt match with half assed being his "trademark" but my memory is indeed cloudy, so if you could enlighten me i couldnt thank you enough

I suck at keeping vote counts, thats why i trust the mods, is their job after all, but it seems super weird to me the way you exaggeratedly reacted at the so called BW and even called a witch hunt, like if everyone who voted skoff must be scum seems like a super easy breezy way to try to get townies distracted from all the scumminess that is going on

Now about the submarining and the pot calling the kettle black business, you do have a point, but since i never log in i took longer than most to realize that the game had already started, and when i actually checked my role pm things were well into the joke vote stage, so to me it feels like i have been active, just that i prefer to adress to several concerns at once instead of doing individual posts for every little thing, i have always been fond of walls of text, heck i have read everything here; including the web generated funny text of kwan (which is only funnier if i replace skoff for fuku, our dog name)

Because i read and re read before posting it takes time, then i was on easter holidays with the frenchy and i forgot to pack my comp, and he forgot the tablet, so there goes a couple of days on standby, i accused you of skimming, you boldly said you didnt even bother to read, which is even worst, so what is your excuse for not posting

Dakky - someone, presumably a town vig, shot another player, I'd say dakky is a possibility for being that person. Along with people such as mandy. so for now now those two are in my likely town list.
MM - He is a decent player and I'm not suggesting he half-arses anything, but I do notice a tendency in his play to be 'on the fence', he's certainly not an aggressive player by any means. He's just slower to pick sides and advocate hard for them.

Yeah it's the mods jobs to give vote counts, but that isn't really a good excuse not to pay attention to where votes are going. Otherwise people could build up bandwagons or accidentally hammer and claim "oops didn't realise they were that close". 'Exaggeratedly' reacted? Personally I thought my reaction was mild at best; a suggestion as to a place to start looking considering it's D1 with no real leads yet, and barely a sentence mention when my standard these days is paragraphs.

Well since we are in the business of comparing posting habits; the last game you joined you were replaced D1 due to inactivity, and your claim here isn't entirely accurate - you actually did confirm in a reasonable time frame, it was actually after that that you had 'gone inactive' for a period of 5-6 days, around the same time as me actually. Hence why I find it somewhat odd, unfair even, that you are calling me out for submarining and basing my scummyness on it.
In the time since my return to this site I have only 'gone inactive' on two occasions and both medical related, outside of that I think I have proven I am one of the most active people in games at the moment and honestly I think I have earned a little slack. I do not talk a great deal instantly for any D1's, however once the game gets going I do get quite vocal - other games here are a testimony to that. You can even refer to BNI mafia that people have already referenced.
So I must ask, why are your excuses for being inactive for days valid but my reasons for being inactive for days are not and warrant being labelled scum?
As for the skimming/"I didn't read!" bit I thought it would be taken as the light hearted joke that it was intended to be. I didn't think people would take it seriously that I am refusing to even read the game, let alone accuse me of being scum for it.

Now about the lovely but scummy skoff, i didnt realize that my vote was the fourth, but is not like i putted her at lynch -1, -2, heck not even -3, that was hardly a BW, but as things are my vote stands for now, yeah i might be joking when i say that she is ever scummy, but putting a vote on day 1 on someone who not only scummarine a lot, but also admitted to be skimming seemed, and still seems a good and logic day 1 choice to me, oh and by the way the dead scum also admited to skim before his early dismiss heh (classic scum signs are classic for a reason, they work )

This last part of Flores' quote IMO shows the flaw in the logic behind calling Day 1 lynch "random". There is such thing as scum tells. How many there are to be found depends on Scum's skill and will they be found and interpreted correctly depends on Town's skill, but the Town is far from helpless during Day 1. It's like that American saying about trespassers: "It's not the matter of 'if' - it's a matter of shooting at your bushes enough times."

Skoffin stopped posting for four days. Then I called her out on that. She came back, tried to defend herself, reacted to Flores' accusation and said he has a good feeling about dakky. That's basicaly it. Her play translates to: Avoid being lynch and scum can take care of themselves.

FOS Skoffin. Also, while emotionaly I would prefer to see if I'm right about Samlen, Skoffin is by far the most solid lynch target at this point so unvote vote Skoffin

The problem with classic scum tells is when you try to apply it to people where it is not a scumtell for that person. The notion here being that I am scum because I am exhibiting 'classic scumtells' of submarining and skimming. The first issue being that the skimming didn't happen and I joked that it did (why would I as scum gloat about not reading the game?) and the second is that in my history of gaming submarining has always been my tell as town, not as scum. But regardless of that, my inactivity this game was due to being distracted by health issues and is not alignment indicative. I'm not too worried about being lynched here,
on one hand townside can lose people and still do ok without me and on the other I'm fairly sure I'm not likely to be lynched today anyway. Soz, I have an ego as big as yours.

While I'm here, I concur with your statement on dakky, Tim and mitch. For Dakky I do believe I am getting better at scoping him out, but the other two no clue. As for mitch, he could literally be anything at any given time - he has zero tells because he isn't really playing. Dakky appears to be making efforts to improve his play (which I commend him for) whereas mitch appears to not care about getting better.

As for Sam, I have to disagree. My feels of Sam is that he would have come out with those posts as a townie, and he might have made those posts as scum too. I don't think that's a tell for him, while he certainly could be scum I don't think that's a reason to peg him as such.

[Minister Masket]

:o what are you talking about? we are all animals here,just saying I would go alone with the rest of the group.

I agree with you on this, Flores, especially on Masket. To me, Masket seems to be in a genuine oh shit moment, basically like "I have to play REALLY well this game because if I don't then I'm going to be caught out, like my scum buddy Ragian."

DAMN son, with that amount of spin you must think you're at a Beyblade tournament or something!

I mean really, where exactly is the oh shit in posting confusion about how Ragain was picked?

Skittles, if you don't mind, I would like to hear in greater detail about this inflection point where you perceive MM to have started playing really well.

I stated that he probably perceives that he HAS to start playing really well, if one of his scum partners could be day killed so easily just after posting a few posts. Calling the kill lucky furthers incriminates him IMO, because if you could read between Ragian's lines then I think it's easy to see why Rage was targeted.

Unfortunately Masket can't out himself so easily this game, but it would make my life easier if he did

So is mandy also "incriminating himself" by saying this?

This seems like a curious thing to say, doesn't it? Of course, I can only speak for myself, but I saw nothing in the Day 1 scene that would make me think "day action shenanigans going on behind the scenes". I just thought: "Wow, that Day Vig must be really good! "

Because in this particular context it's essentially the same thing.
Having read the replies, yes, I agree there was some evidence to be suspicious of Ragian. Enough to make a kill-decision straight away this early? Absolutely not.
This is not the same as saying I wished it hadn't happened, funnily enough.

Care to elaborate on your thoguht process their, MM?

I know I phrased it like a 50/50 chance, but I don't actually believe much that more day actions took place. I'm committed to the 'lucky shot' theory. I only mentioned it because having been away from mafia for a few years I was imagining in my head if possibly there were any new roles around now.

I would like to clarify that, as a Day 1 lynch choice, I consider Masket to be a distant third behind Samlen and Skoffin. That being said, Masket's understated presence throught Day 1 makes him, at very least, more likely to be Scum then Town.

Compare this game to games I've played in the past. Typically I join in on the joke votes for Day 1 before sitting back and waiting til Day 2 before posting anything substantial. I've done the reverse here, but no, apparently I'm being 'understated' by posting at all. I may as well have stuck to my old playstyle and gone all of Day 1 unnoticed, much like two or three players here who actually are being understated but surprise surprise, arn't on your radar!

You and Skittles are both reaching hard to try and make me look scummy, and it's just baffling at this early stage.

[Skittles!]

DAMN son, with that amount of spin you must think you're at a Beyblade tournament or something!

Bitch I'm next level Beyblade.

I mean really, where exactly is the oh shit in posting confusion about how Ragain was picked?

It was in the context of what you had written, how you had written it, and by reading in between the lines. I definitely saw "Oh shit" throughout your post.

Skittles, if you don't mind, I would like to hear in greater detail about this inflection point where you perceive MM to have started playing really well.

I stated that he probably perceives that he HAS to start playing really well, if one of his scum partners could be day killed so easily just after posting a few posts. Calling the kill lucky furthers incriminates him IMO, because if you could read between Ragian's lines then I think it's easy to see why Rage was targeted.

Unfortunately Masket can't out himself so easily this game, but it would make my life easier if he did

So is mandy also "incriminating himself" by saying this?

Unless Mandy is going so hard after other players in order to gain town cred and trying to fit in to the role model of a town player, then sure. But I think what he has been saying has some value to it, and while I don't necessary agree with everything he is posting, he has given a lot to go off on and has caused a number of players to already trip up by page 8.

This seems like a curious thing to say, doesn't it? Of course, I can only speak for myself, but I saw nothing in the Day 1 scene that would make me think "day action shenanigans going on behind the scenes". I just thought: "Wow, that Day Vig must be really good! "

Because in this particular context it's essentially the same thing.
Having read the replies, yes, I agree there was some evidence to be suspicious of Ragian. Enough to make a kill-decision straight away this early? Absolutely not.
This is not the same as saying I wished it hadn't happened, funnily enough.

Some people can read between the lines better than others, and as Mandy was personally involved in the discussion he may not have been able to see the bigger picture. I know in previous games, more recently, where I was so stuck on an argument that I could not fully process what the other person was actually stating because I was so caught up in how I wanted to reply and what argument I wanted to continue to make.

Care to elaborate on your thoguht process their, MM?

I know I phrased it like a 50/50 chance, but I don't actually believe much that more day actions took place. I'm committed to the 'lucky shot' theory. I only mentioned it because having been away from mafia for a few years I was imagining in my head if possibly there were any new roles around now.

I would like to clarify that, as a Day 1 lynch choice, I consider Masket to be a distant third behind Samlen and Skoffin. That being said, Masket's understated presence throught Day 1 makes him, at very least, more likely to be Scum then Town.

Compare this game to games I've played in the past. Typically I join in on the joke votes for Day 1 before sitting back and waiting til Day 2 before posting anything substantial. I've done the reverse here, but no, apparently I'm being 'understated' by posting at all. I may as well have stuck to my old playstyle and gone all of Day 1 unnoticed, much like two or three players here who actually are being understated but surprise surprise, arn't on your radar!

You and Skittles are both reaching hard to try and make me look scummy, and it's just baffling at this early stage.

Granted, you are not sitting on the fence like you used to. Hell, in my first game back here I was sitting on the fence for a number of days, being able to see both sides of an argument towards lynching a player, and while it worked out for me in the end because I survived, it does not always work. I commend that you're taking a more active role, and I don't think you're being understated at all. You're also right that there are a number of other players that could pick up on their posts (Master Bush, who has been replaced, as well as Kwan). With the latter, I think it's just typical Kwan play. When he's scum he takes a much more active role (based on his meta from years ago, maybe he's just a grade A+ stoner now and just posts for the lulz now).

I don't think I'm reaching, I just think in the context of what you've written, there are something off about you. Whether you're scum or not, I have no idea until you are lynched.

:o what are you talking about? we are all animals here,just saying I would go alone with the rest of the group.

Go alone with the rest of the group? Does this seem odd to anyone else?

What are the chances that nag/ga7 would put in a third party role in this mafia? I can't think of any characters in the first Lion King movie that would be not aligned to either Simba or Scar.

[kwanton]

^ Tbf I think that was a typo and he meant to say "go along with the rest of the group". Saying "go alone with the rest of the group" doesn't make sense semantically

[kwanton]

EBWOP it's syntax not semantics actually

[madmitch]

@ Kwanton, thanks for seeing that,

[Samlen]

The whole 'go along with the rest of the herd' sounds a little bit softclaim vanilla townie and/or typical mitch speak.

[DirtyDishSoap]

The whole 'go along with the rest of the herd' sounds a little bit softclaim vanilla townie and/or typical mitch speak.

Mitch is mitch, he's just a body with a vote. Anything he says I usually take with a grain of salt.

[Djfireside]

Sorry I am in a busy time at work so will try to be more active. I personally hate D1 but will keep working on activity saince im chosing to play along.

[madmitch]

The whole 'go along with the rest of the herd' sounds a little bit softclaim vanilla townie and/or typical mitch speak.

Mitch is mitch, he's just a body with a vote. Anything he says I usually take with a grain of salt.

oh good salted pork yummy

[kwanton]

The whole 'go along with the rest of the herd' sounds a little bit softclaim vanilla townie and/or typical mitch speak.

Can no one else see that was obviously a typo? Lol

[Minister Masket]

What are the chances that nag/ga7 would put in a third party role in this mafia? I can't think of any characters in the first Lion King movie that would be not aligned to either Simba or Scar.

Just by virtue of there being 16 players, I can't see how there's room for 3rd Party. And as you say, the line is pretty well defined in the story.
I don't consider this likely at all, but there is the off-chance nag included that dude lion from the sequel (whose family were banished). Starts off slightly creepy before turning good (because Simba's daughter is hot hot hot).

HUGE If if he's even present at all, but he's the only one I can think of who could fit a 3rd Party role.

I was thinking our Day Vig could be a lone 3rd Party role but after reading the scene again it surely 99% has to be Mufasa as town?

[mandalorian2298]

What are the chances that nag/ga7 would put in a third party role in this mafia? I can't think of any characters in the first Lion King movie that would be not aligned to either Simba or Scar.

Just by virtue of there being 16 players, I can't see how there's room for 3rd Party. And as you say, the line is pretty well defined in the story.
I don't consider this likely at all, but there is the off-chance nag included that dude lion from the sequel (whose family were banished). Starts off slightly creepy before turning good (because Simba's daughter is hot hot hot).

HUGE If if he's even present at all, but he's the only one I can think of who could fit a 3rd Party role.

I was thinking our Day Vig could be a lone 3rd Party role but after reading the scene again it surely 99% has to be Mufasa as town?

Possibly. One other possibility would be Rafiki as JOAT.

[mandalorian2298]

Secondly, a disclaimer. If there is scum to be found among the following players: Mitch, dakky and Tim; then I fear that I am not going to be of much use in finding him out. They don't post much and keep their posts short.

People don't need to post ton of text (like you just did) to point something over or there. I finally understood that being active and posting a lot (or posting less but with longer posts) just makes you more scummy. I'm not a good player and it's something I know, so pardon me for trying to change my play style in last two games. When I did post a lot, I'd get lynched D1 and now when I'm trying to post less, it's also bad. Come on.

All said was that I am unable to detect either scumminess or towniness fro your guys posts. You guys play the way that you play and I certainly don't expect of you to tailor your playing styles to my liking.

[Skoffin]

If you are referring to Kovu I do not think he would be third party. He shows he is good natured from when he is a cub and wants to join the Pride and eventually does, so he'd be town in my mind. But that's if he were even in the game. Rafiki could be third party, as he does essentially live away from both sides, but he is also inherently good and clearly favours the Pride. Personally I think third party roles are unlikely.

I thought it worth mentioning that I am also putting Hotshot on my town list- He is literally playing the opposite of how he does as scum - as scum he barely posts, very on the fence, doesn't take strong stances or give much opinions; whereas now he's posted more than he normally does, and outright came out against someone and posted his opinions - so I'm concluding he's town for now

[madmitch]

After looking up The Lion King Wikipedia I really don't think there are any 3rd parties involved, I hope I am right.

[TimWoodbury]

I can't imagine there being a 3rd party in this but anything is possible with a cc magia game I spose

[Djfireside]

I would agree on lore that there would not be a third party even crossing into the new version of Lion Guard.(yay toddlers)

[Samlen]

I also think it's unlikely that we have and third parties in here. I also, I think that this game is most likely to be based off of the first movie (flavor from day scene implies Mufasa is still alive). Otherwise, not much else has happened that I want to add in to.

[Skittles!]

Okay, so most of us agree that third party is unlikely. Doesn't really get us that far because we still dont fully know the mechanics of the game, or who killed Ragian (please don't reveal yourself). Where do we go from here? Discussion has slowed down considerably, possibly because no one knows what to say?

I don't think going after people with no lynch votes will get us anywhere, especially if they continue to do so after Ragian has been killed.

[madmitch]

The no-lynch votes might not be a good thing in this game, remember the mod has put no time limit on days and we could all be here not figuring out anything. Just a thought,what d0es everyone think about this?

[nagerous]

2 week deadline , get active peeps!

[mandalorian2298]

2 week deadline , get active peeps!

No. 16 player has not yet a) posted; b) been correctly replaced on the list of players. We have one guy who doesn't want to post anything that doesn't fit into a fortune cookie out of fear he will incriminate himself; another who doesn't want to post anything that doesn't fit into a fortune cookie or even READ anything that has paragraphs in it; at least two guys who think that Day 1 i s the Day of Rest and if they post anything usefull then God will smite the Cop to punish them for their arrogance; and a whole bunch of people who are blatantly submarrining by posting the bare minimum despite the fact that they have proven in the past that THEY are capable of posting a decent size coherent, Mafia posts, either because their Mafia ambitions are limited to signing up for the game and seeing their name on the players list or because they know that they can get away with it since there is not enough active and attentinve people in this game to lynch their ass for it.

So, what kind of activity are we looking for?

Maybe someone could do a vote count?

P.S. Sorry for the tone, but this game needs Wing, Yoshi, Mets and other people who actually care enough about Mafia to insult people over it. You may call it an opinion, I call it the results of the experiment at this point.

[HotShot53]

While the odds are that a town is usually lynched day 1... that's not always the case, and the town can afford to lose someone a lot more than scum can. Besides that though, the most important part of trying for a day 1 lynch is information, see how people react to pressure and each other. That way at least the power roles aren't going into night 1 completely blind, and can try to make their actions target appropriate people. Otherwise, why have a day 1 at all, why not just start with a night phase?

Huh, not only is this logical and makes sense, but it feels different from the HotShot that I've seen in other games. No not because he's making sense but because it felt like with other games he had to hide around more, this post feels somewhat open. File HotShot in my town list for now.

I thought it worth mentioning that I am also putting Hotshot on my town list- He is literally playing the opposite of how he does as scum - as scum he barely posts, very on the fence, doesn't take strong stances or give much opinions; whereas now he's posted more than he normally does, and outright came out against someone and posted his opinions - so I'm concluding he's town for now

I thought I was playing the same as I have the past few games... I guess I am unaware of my own scum/town tells, because it doesn't seem to me that I'm posting all that often or making many great arguments so far this game. I'm wondering though if either of those posts are by scum trying to butter me up, especially that post by Skoffin.

Kwan still hasn't posted anything worthwhile though, so my vote will remain on him for now.

[nagerous]

2 week deadline , get active peeps!

No. 16 player has not yet a) posted; b) been correctly replaced on the list of players. We have one guy who doesn't want to post anything that doesn't fit into a fortune cookie out of fear he will incriminate himself; another who doesn't want to post anything that doesn't fit into a fortune cookie or even READ anything that has paragraphs in it; at least two guys who think that Day 1 i s the Day of Rest and if they post anything usefull then God will smite the Cop to punish them for their arrogance; and a whole bunch of people who are blatantly submarrining by posting the bare minimum despite the fact that they have proven in the past that THEY are capable of posting a decent size coherent, Mafia posts, either because their Mafia ambitions are limited to signing up for the game and seeing their name on the players list or because they know that they can get away with it since there is not enough active and attentinve people in this game to lynch their ass for it.

So, what kind of activity are we looking for?

Maybe someone could do a vote count?

P.S. Sorry for the tone, but this game needs Wing, Yoshi, Mets and other people who actually care enough about Mafia to insult people over it. You may call it an opinion, I call it the results of the experiment at this point.

I have replaced master bush, as benga has read the PM but not confirmed I have prodded him. The first page has now been updated too though I think that reasoning is a bit much to launch a tirade against the mod for daring to ask people to be active and imposing a deadline.

There is a vote count on the previous page and there have only been 4 vote changes since, I am not going to hand hold you guys and provide a vote count every page, I am sure you can see that nothing material has happened in terms of the vote counts.

You have a deadline now so deal with it, I know you didn't like it and imposed your will in your game when players complained about lack of deadline, well in my one there is now a deadline and it is designed to bring activity to the game as opposed to letting it die..