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[theherkman]

@ Herkman, the more I see from you, the more "interesting" you are becoming. I have provided reasons for every single of my accusations, especially against Sax and you. It's also quite funny that as soon as pay some attention to you and question a bit you go extremely defencive and attack me.

You posted quite a few times (3, if I'm not mistaken) to first get in here (obviously, that's because of the premium) and now that you did get in, your behaviour is interesting. First, you post this

I'm so excited!!!

So... Since we really don't know anything yet... Why are we voting people? We're gonna lynch our cop or doctor or some shit... That would be bad... Anyone explain that to me?

Which sounds good and decent enough. Then you continue on that till you find out about the lynching (it seems that you may want no lynching because it's good for the mafia? Perhaps, perhaps not.)

Firstly, let me say I am not looking to respond to this big as hell post, but I am working... With not much to do at the moment but watch someone sleep... (Security) So here it goes.

I didn't say I wanted a no lynch because it was good for the mafia. What I said is above, reread it before making baseless accusations! I asked questions about whether or not it was a mistake to lynch on the first day with no proof because I haven't played mafia online before. If you doubt this, reread D1, as it is filled with me asking questions, being given links to read, and generally finally understanding some of this shit.

Oh, okay. That explains it better, but still... I don't want to be the byproduct of a mislynch. Lol! Who does?

Hmm, interesting. You just had one vote (albeit random), but this is your 2nd defencive post (albeit quite mild).

Here you are wrong again. "Lol!" is not a defensive post. If you think it does, you need to get some serious help.

However, then you

VOTE AOG

For voting me.

Isn't it hypocritical that first you vote a person for just voting against you and when someone just thinks that you're acting a bit suspiciously, you start to vote against him straight away.

Seriously? When we were still in the joke voting phase? Give me a break.

Hmmm.... Furthermore, nietzsche, who found you a bit odd, was stalked by you according to him:

vote for theherkman

reason: this creep went through my game chats, i don't evevn know why, and he he's telling everyone what i say in game chats he should be voted out as soon as possible or he might do the same to you! vote for him!!

I honestly can't believe I have to address this. HE ISN'T IN THE GAME! We don't get along because I filled a C&A report about him yesterday. Back the f*ck off. If you are seriously going to go to the trouble of going through my posts, then get your shit straight.

The next post is even more interesting:

Can you explain that to me? Voting someone because they vote for me is a scum tell, but voting someone because they post in an obnoxious color is okay? Are you serious?

HYPOCRITE much? You first vote against AoG because he voted against you and now you say that this is a scum tell (keep in mind that the situation will be repeated with me). You say that I have no reasons to vote against you, yet you vote someone because of the colour or that they voted against you.

Oh my god... Your post just gets worse and worse... I didn't understand that voting for someone because they voted for me is bad in mafia. I didn't understand that this makes you seem scummy. Again, this is my first online mafia. After this was explained to me, NOT as you say "after some pressure from the crowd", I made the post below. ALSO, I NEVER VOTED FOR ANYONE BECAUSE OF THEIR COLOR. If you went to the trouble of reading all my posts again, how did you miss this and why are you accusing me of it?

Then, after some pressure from the crowd, you

Okay... I suppose that makes sense that I don't want him to die if he's a good guy...

UNVOTE AOG VOTE DAZE

Do you provide any reasons? No.

You are right, I didn't. Why? Read the rest of the posts above it to see why she was being voted. She wasn't following the thread, but "appeared" when she was accused of scumarining. This is why most of us voted for her.

Next post - you try to direct attention from that and look for someone else to blame.

Who was the first person to vote because of the color?

I wasn't directing attention from anything. I wanted to make note for myself of whoever voted her for her color. Not to vote or accuse them, but to FOS and hear their response. I thought this might be important to note. Why do you not like me asking questions?

Then, even your posting wasn't much better, you go against Daze, even though you had not stated why you voted against her the first time...

That doesn't actually sound that convincing to me...

THAT IS WHY I AM GOING AGAINST HER! How do you miss the whole fucking point? Because she doesn't seem convincing!

And I'm not sure what to do, but I'm going to go with the fact that most of you know what you are doing. Also, most of you are good. And most of you are saying vote Dazerazer... So again... vote dazerazer

Bandwagon and attention diverting much?

Again, first mafia here... Statistically, there are more townies than mafia, yes? Then statistically, at this point, what the majority is after can't be bad because they are townies, yes?

After that, you attack another person for doing exactly what you did at the start:

Sorry guys, I didn't know I couldn't post here.

I posted it on your wall... Why are you still posting? Sign up for a replacement if you really want in.

More hypocrite much?

I was a replacement, waiting for Mr. Squirrel to get online and send me my role. I'm excited to play, it sounds like fun. I want to know who is what, what peoples names are, what peoples roles are. I want to know who will die and how the story will develop. DUH! Also, stop quoting his posts. HE ISN'T EVEN IN THIS GAME!

No prob, Squirrel.

So does this mean that everyone else will jump on the bandwagon and vote Daze now? Is she pretty much dead? We should hurry cause I want to know what she is. Lol!

Again, interesting to say the least.

Half of this shit doesn't even dignify a response. (See above) I think she is scummy and want to know if my suspicions are correct. Why is this interesting?

Are you shitting me? Do you seriously consider that flaming? Damn, man... You need to get out more... If she turns out scummy, deff FOS Commander9

After attacking Daze for no reason (or at least no reason stated) (and trying to lynch her), you FoS me because I point that out.

Reason given in MANY peoples posts, as well as above. FOS for you accusing me of flaming. You still never responded to how exactly that was a flame. All that was said was that I didn't believe her. Please respond to how this is a flame.

You know, on second thought, upon rereading this, I think that you, violet and daze are all scum. You are defending daze and saying that I am flaming because I don't buy her excuse? This may have been the biggest scum tell of this entire game.

Now, even though you're saying that you're new, you already assume that I was "Defending" her and that is the biggest scum tell. I mean, obviously you contributed much up to this point and you definitely were involved... Right. Interesting...

I don't know what you are saying. Work on your grammar. Oh, and you were defending her. I said I didn't believe her. You responded with something to the tune of "OMGUS STOP FLAMING DAZE!!!!!@$#%@#$^ OMG OMG OMG OMG". Okay it wasn't that bad. But I have yet to hear how me saying I don't believe her is flaming. Again, please explain.

After that you post:

I could be wrong here as I am quite new at this, it just seems like you went on major defensive for a simple sentence posted (Accusations of flaming).

Really interesting, when I point out that I wasn't defending anyone and just stating a fact, while you just attack yet another person without having any good reasons.

Still waiting for an explaination of how this is flaming... Nothing is a "fact" until you do that... And I did have a good reason, you seem scummy.

Then, when you ask why I voted against Sax, I answer with :

Again, this is my 2nd game, so I still don't know the stuff well enough. If possible to replace the inactives, I'm all for it. As for Sax, first of all, he goes on to vote people for a lot of random stuff, yet now, when the action has started and there have been quite a few interesting things going on, he has disappeared and not posted anything for a while (6 pages ago was his last post).

I just don't like a person to flip votes all over the place around at the start, yet when some discussions started, he's gone.

It's interesting that after my answer, you don't respond anything, but after I say that your behaviour during this game is suspicious, your response:

Let me interupt your poorly thought out monolouge here and say that I have a life. I'm sorry I didn't respond within a few seconds. KKTHXBYEBYE

FOS Commander for this scummy accusation. You randomly vote giving little or no explanation. You are completely against lynching Daze despite her suspicious behavior. You would throw your vote around at anyone who looks at you the wrong way. It looks like you might be scum yourself. With that said... UNVOTE DAZE VOTE COMMANDER9

You completely ignore all of my previous posts with explanations and since I point out that your gameplay is rather interesting, you vote against straight away and get all defencive (just like the 1st time).

Really? Seriously? Your lack of VALID explanations is what is earning you my vote.

After that, someone else notices and posts:

But what if he is mafia and he is putting this idea out there so when he is investigated and comes up scum he can point back here as a defense?

Because, miller is a terrible fake claim. The town would likely lynch you if you claimed that.

How is it that anyone is gonna roleclaim then?

When the town forces them to in order to prove why they should not be lynched.

You don't have to back me openly, just don't vote for me.

This line sounds fairly scummy to me...

AND YOU COMPLETELY IGNORE THAT STATEMENT AGAIN.

You are making my head heart with your stupidity... You quoted a conversation... With me talking... That isn't ignoring shit... Wow... Also, you are skimming again, I was talking about spiesr, NOT YOU. ALSO, THIS WAS BEFORE YOU EVEN APPEARED IN THE THREAD! You are skimming to try and put together an argument against me, and failing horribly I might add.

Furthermore, you post:

OMFG... I did not realize you got premium for this! f*ck yeah!!!

Yet, you posted 3 times wanting to get into the game as soon as you can and you've never been in a Mafia game before. Interesting...

Mmm Hmm... So now you can decide what my interests are and are not?



Man, just get your shit together...

[theherkman]

@ Herkman, the more I see from you, the more "interesting" you are becoming. I have provided reasons for every single of my accusations, especially against Sax and you.

EBWOP

No you haven't. This has been the basis of my distrust in you.

[FloresDelMal]

FOS Commander for this scummy accusation. You randomly vote giving little or no explanation. You are completely against lynching Daze despite her suspicious behavior. You would throw your vote around at anyone who looks at you the wrong way. It looks like you might be scum yourself. With that said... UNVOTE DAZE VOTE COMMANDER9

You completely ignore all of my previous posts with explanations and since I point out that your gameplay is rather interesting, you vote against straight away and get all defencive (just like the 1st time).

Really? Seriously? Your lack of VALID explanations is what is earning you my vote.

Okay, first and foremost, you two get a room and work it out, its getting damn boring, how many times should i remind you guys that this is a mafia game,not a reality show, neither group therapy for both of you to work out your aggression issues.

Now getting strictly down to the mafia business, as much as i dislike the whinning and i appreciate a forward attitude, commander did explain his vote in sax, he voted sax for "jumping votes", which is a valid explanation, thought not one that makes me suspiscious, because vote jumping on day 1 is not really rare.

You know what strikes me as suspiscious herkman? is the way that you justified the validity and seriousness of your vote on Daze, but then you were more than happy to switch your vote to commander, just because he is annoying you, even thought to me that seems more like the evidence of your hot blood, than of scumminess, it does grant my suspiscion, so[b] FOS Herkman[/b]

[edocsil]

Please, the walls of text are killing me. It really isn't supposed to be a bitchfight, both of your arguments lie along the lines of OMG YoU SuCk! Followed by some weak slaps across the face. Like Flores said it is a logic game, not a damn reality show.

[Victor Sullivan]

Interesting how vio and daze both voted for me...I feel like they might very well be aligned.

Sigh... I already explained how they most likely aren't allied:

My thoughts currently:
1. I'm absolutely almost 100% positive VioIet and dazerazer are NOT scummates, simply because Mr. Squirrel posted:

New Rule:
NO PMing EACH OTHER UNLESS YOU HAVE A ROLE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO!

I thought this was self explanatory but I guess not. If someone needs to be prodded, tell me and I will do so. You can even pm me if you don't want to make a public announcement. Otherwise, absolutely no pming of game related information.

right after dazerazer said Vio contacted her about the game. What I'm saying is, there can only be on scum between the two of them, if at all. I think daze could use some grace, and she has posted frequently since my voting for her scummarining (though this could likely be because she had to defend herself from the horde of votes after mine), however the quick post right after mine is a difficult potential scumtell to ignore, and for that, my vote stays.

-Sully

That, in combination with your desire for a no lynch I think deserves a FOS Army of GOD on the accounts of skimming and wanting a no lynch Day 1.

Please, the walls of text are killing me. It really isn't supposed to be a bitchfight, both of your arguments lie along the lines of OMG YoU SuCk! Followed by some weak slaps across the face. Like Flores said it is a logic game, not a damn reality show.

I agree. I read through both of you obscenely long posts, herk and C9, and found almost nothing of substance. Drop it, seriously. I'm not gonna vote nor FOS either of you because you both just sound like OMGUS blood-thirsty townies.

Unvote Vote Daze not for the colour but an actual serious reason: popping up claiming to have been busy within MINUTES of being voted for submarining means you were actually following this and didn't bother posting for an entirely different reason than just being busy: being a busy scum

People keep alluding back to a legitimate reason given in the beggining but this has since been explained so now we are left with the whole bio + daze are scumbuddies accusation. They are clearly friends outside of mafia, I knew this before hand but that doesn't excuse them sticing up for each other in this game. To me it seems like they have alligned themselves together, but this could be for any number of reasons including them being friends or the possibility of masons. Until one of them does something to appear scumym I don't see how this link could be contrieved as a tell.

Again, I'm certain Vio and daze can't both be scum, but the evidence against daze seems substantial enough for a lynch, or at least a role claim. What else is there to go on? Oh, right:

Seriously guys, no need to role claim at the moment - everyone take a step back and focus.

We need a lynch and dazerazer is looking like a better target than anybody so unvote vote dazerazer

I think this line of reasoning is very scummy, town should want to be sure to find a good target and not just vote for the guy with the most votes. Scum, however, just want anyony lynched that isn't a scum buddy. And for this scummy vote you get my vote, vote nagerous

I honestly don't find this scummy by any means. There have been many players with similar reasoning, and to vote for nagerous for this seems silly to me. I think you need to read up more

In summary, I think our next step is to get daze to a role-claim position and go from there. It's a more substantial piece to off of than possible BWers, which at this point could be any of the 12 people that voted for daze, excluding myself, as I voted her first.

-Sully

P.S. Sorry for another wall of text...

[Commander9]

Okay guys, me and Herk will take this to another place (PM's or WM's) if needed as I can understand that this may be a bit long and have some demagogics in it.

[Victor Sullivan]

New Rule:
NO PMing EACH OTHER UNLESS YOU HAVE A ROLE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO!

[Army of GOD]

Interesting how vio and daze both voted for me...I feel like they might very well be aligned.

Sigh... I already explained how they most likely aren't allied:

My thoughts currently:
1. I'm absolutely almost 100% positive VioIet and dazerazer are NOT scummates, simply because Mr. Squirrel posted:

New Rule:
NO PMing EACH OTHER UNLESS YOU HAVE A ROLE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO!

I thought this was self explanatory but I guess not. If someone needs to be prodded, tell me and I will do so. You can even pm me if you don't want to make a public announcement. Otherwise, absolutely no pming of game related information.

right after dazerazer said Vio contacted her about the game. What I'm saying is, there can only be on scum between the two of them, if at all. I think daze could use some grace, and she has posted frequently since my voting for her scummarining (though this could likely be because she had to defend herself from the horde of votes after mine), however the quick post right after mine is a difficult potential scumtell to ignore, and for that, my vote stays.

-Sully

That, in combination with your desire for a no lynch I think deserves a FOS Army of GOD on the accounts of skimming and wanting a no lynch Day 1.

I never said they were scum...just aligned...

[freezie]

Okay guys, me and Herk will take this to another place (PM's or WM's) if needed as I can understand that this may be a bit long and have some demagogics in it.

Just DROP IT. Simple. Focus on the game. Simple.

[FloresDelMal]

I never said they were scum...just aligned...

actually even thought at the light of the IRL circunstances of both ladies we could deduce they are just friends and nothing more, we cant on this grounds clear them of being scum, neither accuse them, they might just be playing the part, ga7 and i are husband and wife, and that doesn't mean that we have never been scumbuddies, actually in the last game of fircoal we were, just showing how making such assumptions, for better or for worse, is just using flawed logic.

[pmchugh]

Yo, PMC I was one of the first to vote her while we still in the joke vote stage, due to events past I have not unvoted.

I should have been clearer, I was not aiming that at you specifically more at those who are on the wagon for that reason.

but the evidence against daze seems substantial enough for a lynch, or at least a role claim. What else is there to go on? Oh, right:

Seriously guys, no need to role claim at the moment - everyone take a step back and focus.

We need a lynch and dazerazer is looking like a better target than anybody so unvote vote dazerazer

I think this line of reasoning is very scummy, town should want to be sure to find a good target and not just vote for the guy with the most votes. Scum, however, just want anyony lynched that isn't a scum buddy. And for this scummy vote you get my vote, vote nagerous

I honestly don't find this scummy by any means. There have been many players with similar reasoning, and to vote for nagerous for this seems silly to me. I think you need to read up more

In summary, I think our next step is to get daze to a role-claim position and go from there. It's a more substantial piece to off of than possible BWers, which at this point could be any of the 12 people that voted for daze, excluding myself, as I voted her first.

-Sully

P.S. Sorry for another wall of text...

Many people once thought the world was flat, doesn't make them right.

It seems people these days are too lazy to use their heads and just want people to claim off the bat for info. Why don't we just mass claim right now then?

There is no case against daze except that she has a lot of votes on her already, I honestly don't see her as scum.

p.s I read the whole thread through, some parts twice.

[dazerazer]

Unvote

While i do not believe that Daze is scum per se, she has done a few scum tells. FOS Daze but i would rather not do a semi random lynch and would like to follow up on either saxlads strange vote switching or killing of a inactive.

Oh please sir, tell me.

ok no role claiming then.



Is daze hung yet?

WHAT THE F*** Dude. Are you hung yet? Thunder.

OMFG... I did not realize you got premium for this! f*ck yeah!!!

Did I or did I not say we get premium in my post. Why you not be reading my posts??? You voted for me. You say I am not convincing. Whatever, I don’t know you. But at least have the decency to read someone’s post before you try to accuse them. You are crossing the line.

Vote Count


dazerazer (12) - victor, edocsil, ga7, saxlad, haggis, sensfan, flores, jace, strikewolf, blake, daze, nag


16 to lynch.

Why the mods always be giving me more votes?? How did I vote for myself? LMAO You betta do that vote count again mr.squirrel!!!

[Thezzaruz]

Hi guys, sorry I missed the first few days of this.

Sigh... I already explained how they most likely aren't allied:

My thoughts currently:
1. I'm absolutely almost 100% positive VioIet and dazerazer are NOT scummates, simply because Mr. Squirrel posted:

New Rule:
NO PMing EACH OTHER UNLESS YOU HAVE A ROLE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO!

right after dazerazer said Vio contacted her about the game.

That doesn't prove anything though. Partly because Squirrel didn't post it "directly" after (it took over 2 days) and partly because they didn't actually PM each other (which was stated prior to Squirrel posting the rule). Both of those makes me think that the reason for adding the rule was more of a FYI to the, quite numerous, rookies in the game than anything else. Think I'll note you up for a weak FoS for the continual posting of a poor argument.

Since we have so many people, perhaps we should no lynch?

I don't follow, what has many people have to do with no lynch?

Well, I'd think that we'd have an abnormal number of citizens compared to scum for this game (aka it's not proportional to the other games) so our chances of lynching scum randomly the first day is pretty damn low.

That is a very poor (and dangerous) assumption to make though. More players generally means more anti-town roles (even if not all of them are scum) and thus the proportions should still hold. I'll note you up too for a weak FoS for poor logic.

Seriously guys, no need to role claim at the moment - everyone take a step back and focus.

We need a lynch and dazerazer is looking like a better target than anybody so unvote vote dazerazer

I think this line of reasoning is very scummy, town should want to be sure to find a good target and not just vote for the guy with the most votes. Scum, however, just want anyony lynched that isn't a scum buddy. And for this scummy vote you get my vote, vote nagerous

Yes scum care less about who is lynched than town but there rarely exists such a thing as a good target on D1.

There is no case against daze except that she has a lot of votes on her already, I honestly don't see her as scum.

I wouldn't say that there is "no" case but I'll admit it is weak. Unfortunately for her she has now been the main topic for most of D1 meaning that we have 15+ pages of information in the form of accusations, counter accusations and people sticking up for each other and that makes her a pretty good D1 lynch.

That said I'm in no hurry and I would definitely want a claim before any lynch takes place so I'm not going to put a vote on her at the moment.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Vote Count


dazerazer (12) - victor, edocsil, ga7, saxlad, haggis, sensfan, flores, jace, strikewolf, blake, daze, nag


16 to lynch.

Why the mods always be giving me more votes?? How did I vote for myself? LMAO You betta do that vote count again mr.squirrel!!!

Oops. let me go see what i did wrong...

[Mr. Squirrel]

Correct (hopefully) and Current Vote Count

mandelorian (2) - fircoal, karel
commander (1) - the herk
naxus (1) - ace
fircoal (1) - mandy
AoG (2) -violet, dazerazer,
dazerazer (13) - victor, edocsil, ga7, saxlad, haggis, sensfan, flores, jace, strikewolf, blake, freezie, nag, spiesr
saxlad (2) - freezie, commander
the herk (2) - AoG, commander
violet (1) - /
nag (1) - pmc

16 to lynch.

[Victor Sullivan]

daze was like, "I think I should have 11 votes, not 12, cuz I didn't vote for myself."
Then Mr. Squirrel was like, "Oh, sorry, I missed a couple, you actually have 13 votes."

Sorry, I just thought that was funny[/digression]

-Sully

[Commander9]

Correct (hopefully) and Current Vote Count

mandelorian (2) - fircoal, karel
commander (1) - the herk
naxus (1) - ace
fircoal (1) - mandy
AoG (2) -violet, dazerazer,
dazerazer (13) - victor, edocsil, ga7, saxlad, haggis, sensfan, flores, jace, strikewolf, blake, freezie, nag, spiesr
saxlad (2) - freezie, commander
the herk (2) - AoG, commander
violet (1) - /
nag (1) - pmc

16 to lynch.

I get two votes? NICE!

[Army of GOD]

Unvote

JOKE TIME IS OVER LADIES

I agree with Thez that just because the Squirrel said "No contacting peeps outside of the game" doesn't mean they can't be scum. But with all the attention daze is drawing towards herself, I doubt she is scum...

Sens's submaring is pretty scummy right now though. Vote sensfan

[Fircoal]

Unvote

JOKE TIME IS OVER LADIES

I agree with Thez that just because the Squirrel said "No contacting peeps outside of the game" doesn't mean they can't be scum. But with all the attention daze is drawing towards herself, I doubt she is scum...

Sens's submaring is pretty scummy right now though. Vote sensfan

I heard he was out til Sunday.

[Fircoal]

Seriously guys, no need to role claim at the moment - everyone take a step back and focus.

We need a lynch and dazerazer is looking like a better target than anybody so unvote vote dazerazer

I think this line of reasoning is very scummy, town should want to be sure to find a good target and not just vote for the guy with the most votes. Scum, however, just want anyony lynched that isn't a scum buddy. And for this scummy vote you get my vote, vote nagerous

p.s fos speisr for similar reasons.

I think the more scummy think about that is the fact that Naggy has been scumarining this whole Day 1 and his few posts have been like this, with the bandwagon, it seems like a nice way to survive. Go with the majority and don't draw your attention to yourself. Nag is a good play and I expect better from him.

FOS: Naggy

[spiesr]

I agree with Thez that just because the Squirrel said "No contacting peeps outside of the game" doesn't mean they can't be scum. But with all the attention daze is drawing towards herself, I doubt she is scum...

The way I see it, the attention she is drawing doesn't appear to have been exactly intentional, but rather a noobish mistake. In this case it is hard to use that as proof of anything...

[Army of GOD]

I agree with Thez that just because the Squirrel said "No contacting peeps outside of the game" doesn't mean they can't be scum. But with all the attention daze is drawing towards herself, I doubt she is scum...

The way I see it, the attention she is drawing doesn't appear to have been exactly intentional, but rather a noobish mistake. In this case it is hard to use that as proof of anything...

It's her first game. I don't think she's THAT stupid to draw that much attention if she's scum on her very first game.



...but I have been wrong before...

[TheSaxlad]

Yup.

and I think you are wrong this time, agree with spiesr...

[strike wolf]

May I be the first to say that what you are saying about Daze makes absolutely no sense AoG?

You are basically contradicting yourself what you are saying would imply that Daze would know how to avoid suspicion which wouldn't be true for most if not all first time players. FOS: AoG for flawed logic.

[Army of GOD]

May I be the first to say that what you are saying about Daze makes absolutely no sense AoG?

You are basically contradicting yourself what you are saying would imply that Daze would know how to avoid suspicion which wouldn't be true for most if not all first time players. FOS: AoG for flawed logic.

Are you kidding? The last thing you do if you're scum playing your first ever game would be "HEY LOOK AT ME OVER HERE". I believe daze is older than 10 so she probably gets this, but since she isn't scum she doesn't think she should control herself.