Ok first things first this whole Sam wagon is asnine. His play comes off as someone who is frustrated with how the proceedings are going rather than someone who is scummy. And when you think about how he handled Kwan you have to think about it this way. SCum know almost everything, town know nothing. If he was scum and Kwan looked like a goner why would he be like "HEY EVERYONE LET'S NO LYNCH INSTEAD OF LYNCHING SCUMMY MCSCUMSCUM!" That'd be a horrible ploy for a scum as he'd be next in line to get the lynching.
While I still think his timing on day 1 was suspect that was a day 1 idea, it's nothing big and certainly there are more suspicious things that are happening.
I am also a little bit weary of Fircoal. He joined the Kwan vote fourth, and didn't think much of his typo. But he still uses the common excuse
And now we're jumping on Kwan's typo? Well on this I'm mixed. I don't think his typo means much of anything. I've done typos like that before while town, but I do think his jumping up and seconding his role after it had been safe is noteworthy. I don't think it's that big of a deal but I am still suspcious of him and would like to see him respond. Thusly I'll Unvote. Vote: Kwanton in hopes of getting a response from him.
I still don't think much of his typo. Honestly I put my vote on him more because I was suspcious of why he was so quick to jump in on the claim game. There was no real reason to give a claim at that point but he did so. That seemed scummy to me. That and it's day 1, I wanted a lynch and to apply pressure. I was actually planning to unvote when Kwan answered my question but he never did.
DirtyDishSoap wrote:I'll tickle Benga's pickle a bit give everyone a few scenarios on how I think the night transpired.
Scenario 1: The Story Lynch -
dakky21 wrote:Rrrright. Well, good luck town
(or I should say, follow the story line)
I hate to use a beyond the grave quote here, but perhaps this was a theme lynch rather than a night kill? Maybe it was under a condition that he was suppose to die after x day expired. This means that there is a possibility that a roleblock occurred over night and successfully blocked scum from carrying out the night kill. It's highly suspicious to me as well that Dakky would just be targeted when there are more active scum hunters at present. WIFOM territory, but just throwing it out there.
Scenario 2: Jester Death
This is something I see in SC2 so I'm not sure if it carries over in the forums, but when people vote Jester and the Jester is lynch, one random person will commit suicide going into the night. This means that again, a roleblock occurred preventing a NK action from happening.
Really unlikely though but it's out there.
Scenario 3: Night Kill occurred - No leads.
Self explanatory.
Honestly, if we're following theme here to the T, I would think scenario 1 is the most likely. Nothing at the moment indicates otherwise unless someone else brings something to the table.
But why? All I see is someone practicing their morning stretching. Most likely it's just a normal night kill? Why should we be expecting anything different?
FloresDelMal wrote:that leaves place for 2 no name VT or no name Goon, since everyone besides me and pikanchion (btw welcome ^^) is giving a free pass to mitch, and he was the first one to give scum the chance to jump on the "herd" fake claim, lets assume he is indeed a VT water buffalo, which leaves a single place for another no name who could be either VT or a Goon
so having a theoretical 50 50 chance of finding scum amongst the ostrich and the giraffe i will go ahead and Vote Sam and hint the new king who must have inherited the day kill power from his daddy consider taking into account the ostrich scum factor
Yea no. As mentioned some of those characters are barely even mattered and for the sake of fake claims it makes more sense to have a bunch of VT. Because otherwise there are too many characters that are checkable. If there were no VTs and scum had all of the VT fake claims it'd be trival and easy. Just lynch all of the VTs, gg scum. So doing that would be just as bad as not giving the mafia fake claims. For the mafia VT fake claims to work there needs to be some VTs in the game and considering what we have seen from Kwan's fake claim the mafia has some VT fake claims, so there must be some VT in the game, if not a sizeable amount of them.
mandalorian2298 wrote:Djfireside wrote:I tend to agree more with Sam's outcome than Flores. A standard game should have quite a bit of VT as it keeps the balance. Im sure that there are VT's and it makes sense they are animals but I have an issue with Sam's claim for the fact that you are saying you are part of a herd but no one else has come up to say they are also your animal so I don't see a herd which makes me wonder if you were tied to kwon in that aspect.
Except this isn't a standard game, but a Nag game and he's not that crazy about Vanillas. Godfather Mafia had 3 Vanilla Townies out of 30 players (which Flores knows since she played in it.)
That's still 3, so there is a chance for him to put some in. And with the lack of useable characters and the facts I presented above it seems likely there are more in there than usual. I mean he may not like them (just like most of this site) but it's not like he's me.
FloresDelMal wrote: but there was a single person who made clear that she was pretty certain about dakky
Skoffin wrote:
As for the whole lynching argument, I'm only going to say that town should always lynch when they can - the only time town should no lynch is when the towns nightgame is stronger than the scums nightgame.
I can see the points made on Masket, on the other hand being on the fence is sortof his trademark. I'll reserve judgement for now.
Dakky is probably town, mostly because he seems exactly the sort of person to start shooting people the moment he's able to. FloresDelMal wrote:Skoff can you please elaborate more about dakky, you lost me there, i have not seen anything indicating that he could be town or scum, and also about MM i have been out of the mafia scene for so long that i dont remember much about his playing style, but in my vague memories i remember him as a good player, it doesnt match with half assed being his "trademark" but my memory is indeed cloudy, so if you could enlighten me i couldnt thank you enough
Dakky - someone, presumably a town vig, shot another player, I'd say dakky is a possibility for being that person. Along with people such as mandy. so for now now those two are in my likely town list.
MM - He is a decent player and I'm not suggesting he half-arses anything, but I do notice a tendency in his play to be 'on the fence', he's certainly not an aggressive player by any means. He's just slower to pick sides and advocate hard for them.
so either she has superior deducing skills that yet didnt allow her to notice the on purpose scum slip ups of kwan, or she has an investigative role, either way if i suspected someone of being a protown role, i couldnt point it out unless it was to come in their defense if they risk being lynched because i could be afraid to give away leads to scum NK so i have trouble thinking of the unjustified outing of pro town power roles as townie behaviour so
FOS Skoff and RIP dakky
Ummm if Skoffin was mafia then why would she paint dakky as the vig? Why wouldn't she keep quiet and then kill him in the night? It's only paints her as suspicious. Scum don't want town to have information, they want it for themselves so they can make educated choices. Considering what the scum went with I don't think she was scum, rather she had some other reason to try to make that public. What reason that is, is what I'm curious about.
Djfireside wrote:I have been lurking but as I will say in each one I hate day1 but moreover work has just beaten me down. I read and I actually do try to come up with a case but get sidetracked. Enough of that.
As for me I have already hinted at it so mine as well let it go since its needed info for what I have been working at, I am a worthless no name animal as well except I am a Zebra. I have nothing that says anything about being part of a herd which is why I have been asking about it. Since their responses are making similar sense to what I am seeing I am putting in my two cents, well more like 1 cent as noted by others
The animal they claim I would believe so while I may not be hunting I am trying to interject some assistance.
Vote: DJ This is hilarious. It's almost as if the mafia are trying to lose.
Minister Masket wrote:And it is strange to see so little of Fircoal in a game. Then again I haven't played with him enough recently to know if that's suspicious in of itself.
Honestly I have two different modes, either I'm here and really active or I got missing for a couple of days. I think you can all guess what happened. x.x
he skims (if he even reads) and on top of claiming grass eater he doesnt even belongs to the herd, he is already on my FOS list, ill put my vote on him if needed, could be cool to see if he is even willing to try to read the game and build a case against someone, anyone, atm i cant even start to grasp what kind of player he is, so i wont miss him if he is gone.
