[Official] Holiday Mafia - Game Over!

[Metsfanmax]

Vote No Lynch

Frankly I don't like either of these choices at this point. Since we have a cop, he should investigate betiko before we do anything; and I see absolutely no value in lynching soundman (for the reasons he mentioned above).

Why would you direct the cop like that when Betiko will be able to easily prove his role tommorow?

Vote soundman

Because I put very little faith in that method. He could easily pick a mafia buddy and have that person "verify" receiving a gift.

I actually will say it out loud. I planned on sending a second gift to spiesr. If mafia wants to nk him go ahead. He should have won and probably will still be in the game. I don t think the snow miser could be a danger. If you guys want to waste our cop action go ahead, but a gifting mafia role with a roleblocker, a killer and a stealer wouldn't make any sense balance and flavorwise.

Yes, but my argument was that your "gifting" role might just be a fakeclaim. Obviously Jessica Claus is not going to be mafia. The catch is, of course, that I can't possibly know whether you're a gifter until after tonight, which is then too late to change the cop action. I guess Gustaf will have to do what he thinks is best.

I am unsure if we should keep soundman in the game or not..

Well, what are some reasons not to?

[MoB Deadly]

I am going to claim to see if it changes anything. I don't want soundman lynched.

I am Mother Nature - Third party Finder/Lyncher. (I dont know why "lyncher" was in my role, but I listed it for thoroughness. I was told that my sons (spiesr and soundman) were missing and fighting each other again. My job was to find them. Once per night I get to check to see if one person is my son. Obv, since both sons claimed already I get them for free pretty much. Last night I chose spiesr, tonight I intend to check soundman.

I asked PCM for details.

If soundman is not lynched (and I search for him tonight). I will win, and both spiesr and soundman will become normal survivors.

If soundman is lynched today, then I become a normal survivor, and I suppose spiesr wins the game is that right?

Im down for anything. Im drunk as f*ck and I want this GA medal real bad. Town/mafia, choose the scenario that benefits uyou most.

[spiesr]

While that is certianly interesting Mob Deadly, and could definately have changed the way things played out today, you are too late. The deadline for the runoff hit nearly seven hours ago, and with seven votes cast we passed the level pancakemix set to prevent another 24 hours form being added. Unless something unexpected happens Soundman is lynched.

For those who are interested in Mob'c claim, I have no knowledge of whether or not such a role exists in this game and recieved notification of anything relating to his claimed visit last night.

[rishaed]

I am going to claim to see if it changes anything. I don't want soundman lynched.

I am Mother Nature - Third party Finder/Lyncher. (I dont know why "lyncher" was in my role, but I listed it for thoroughness. I was told that my sons (spiesr and soundman) were missing and fighting each other again. My job was to find them. Once per night I get to check to see if one person is my son. Obv, since both sons claimed already I get them for free pretty much. Last night I chose spiesr, tonight I intend to check soundman.

I asked PCM for details.

If soundman is not lynched (and I search for him tonight). I will win, and both spiesr and soundman will become normal survivors.

If soundman is lynched today, then I become a normal survivor, and I suppose spiesr wins the game is that right?

Im down for anything. Im drunk as f*ck and I want this GA medal real bad. Town/mafia, choose the scenario that benefits uyou most.

That changes a whole lot!!!! Why didn't you say anything about it before, I mean yesterday/ the day before? If possible unvote vote No Lynch. I mean lynchees going at each others throat is one thing, but by all possible flavor you stop the "fighting". But lets see what PCM says about it.

[betiko]

I am going to claim to see if it changes anything. I don't want soundman lynched.

I am Mother Nature - Third party Finder/Lyncher. (I dont know why "lyncher" was in my role, but I listed it for thoroughness. I was told that my sons (spiesr and soundman) were missing and fighting each other again. My job was to find them. Once per night I get to check to see if one person is my son. Obv, since both sons claimed already I get them for free pretty much. Last night I chose spiesr, tonight I intend to check soundman.

I asked PCM for details.

If soundman is not lynched (and I search for him tonight). I will win, and both spiesr and soundman will become normal survivors.

If soundman is lynched today, then I become a normal survivor, and I suppose spiesr wins the game is that right?

Im down for anything. Im drunk as f*ck and I want this GA medal real bad. Town/mafia, choose the scenario that benefits uyou most.

Mind confirming I sent you a gift night 1??

Unvote vote mets. I m pretty convinced he s scum since the start and I might as well put my vote there than no lynch even if it will never happen today.

[betiko]

Calling an alliance with all 3 third parties! We need them town is too weak without them! Witt send them all presents! This means spiesr would confirm 2 presents tomorrow. Scum should waste night actions on them and cut us some slack, we need protection on Witt & Gustaf.

[anamainiacks]

I am going to claim to see if it changes anything. I don't want soundman lynched.

I am Mother Nature - Third party Finder/Lyncher. (I dont know why "lyncher" was in my role, but I listed it for thoroughness. I was told that my sons (spiesr and soundman) were missing and fighting each other again. My job was to find them. Once per night I get to check to see if one person is my son. Obv, since both sons claimed already I get them for free pretty much. Last night I chose spiesr, tonight I intend to check soundman.

I asked PCM for details.

If soundman is not lynched (and I search for him tonight). I will win, and both spiesr and soundman will become normal survivors.

If soundman is lynched today, then I become a normal survivor, and I suppose spiesr wins the game is that right?

Im down for anything. Im drunk as f*ck and I want this GA medal real bad. Town/mafia, choose the scenario that benefits uyou most.

This definitely changes things! With you winning, we'd have more pro-town votes left, since both spiesr AND soundman would be around to vote and stay alive! Whereas if one of them is lynched and the other is removed as a winner, we'd only have you as the pro-town vote. Not sure if it matters now, but if it does, unvote, vote no lynch.

Also, since you're here, can you confirm whether you received a gift from betiko on N1? It would free him up to send the gift to someone other than spiesr, and not have to declare the recipient.

fastposted

[anamainiacks]

Calling an alliance with all 3 third parties! We need them town is too weak without them! Witt send them all presents! This means spiesr would confirm 2 presents tomorrow. Scum should waste night actions on them and cut us some slack, we need protection on Witt & Gustaf.

On second thought, sending both gifts to spiesr does sound feasible too! (:

But if soundman is indeed lynched, does spiesr get removed as a winner, or stay on as an assured winner?

[MoB Deadly]

I have never received a gift this game. I was starting to think the gifters hated me!

unvote vote no lynch.

[MoB Deadly]

I have never received a gift this game. I was starting to think the gifter(s) hated me!

unvote vote no lynch.

EBWOP

[MoB Deadly]

and sorry for the late claim and post. I had trouble figuring out the deadlines and the 24 hour runoffs etc. There is no one to blame for that other than me though.

I didnt claim earlier because I thought Betiko could be scum and I thought he was going to get lynched today. I really didn't want to claim just in case there was someone who's win condition interferes with mine.

[Little Witt]

That helps
Unvote Vote No Lynch

I have a feeling that players do not know if they have presents until they reach the required gifts needed (2 than 3 than 4).

[Little Witt]

Sorru for double post, but I do plan on sending 3rd party guys gifts to help town out.

[betiko]

I have never received a gift this game. I was starting to think the gifters hated me!

unvote vote no lynch.

???? either you are full of crap (protecting yourself or setting me up) or there is some unknown mechanic here. I doubt pcm waits for people to be able to trade to tell them, and I guess one of the 5 would ve spoken up when witt said he sent them a gift.

[betiko]

Mob, can you explain something?

While you haven't been posting, I revealed to town that I've sent you a gift night 1. First thing you do when you get back in the game is to claim when no one asked you anything with a real weird timing. Then a couple of posts later, you say that you never received any gifts.
You had your vote on me; and your reasons for voting me were quite crappy, you hadn't even read everything and you threw in your vote just like that, to get rid of it to follow the wagon.
I mean if you had something against me, wouldn't this confirm that I'm scum for you??? But no!! you come back, don't bother to confirm about the gift, claim out of nowhere. When you are asked again, you say that you didn't receive any gift, yet, you don't accuse me of being a liar, nor you put your vote back on me (would be a real good reason).

What kind of game are you playing???

I find it a sly move that betiko voted for Soundman. It looks like hes trying to draw the spiesr vote. i also felt Betiko was scummy before Little Witt was called out

That is probably exactly what he was going for.

That is very very interesting and one of the most outright scummiest things I've seen so far.

Ill be honest, I have not reviewed the entire case front to back and every little detail, but what I have gotten from the highlights, this sticks out the most to me.

disclaimer: my vote could possibly change upon fully reading the case, but as of right now I am leaning about 70/30 towards betiko

unvote vote betiko

[MoB Deadly]

Mob, can you explain something?

While you haven't been posting, I revealed to town that I've sent you a gift night 1.

This is new news to me, I missed you saying that.

First thing you do when you get back in the game is to claim when no one asked you anything with a real weird timing. Then a couple of posts later, you say that you never received any gifts.

Well I didn't know you claimed that. When you asked I answered.

You had your vote on me; and your reasons for voting me were quite crappy, you hadn't even read everything and you threw in your vote just like that, to get rid of it to follow the wagon.
I mean if you had something against me, wouldn't this confirm that I'm scum for you??? But no!! you come back, don't bother to confirm about the gift, claim out of nowhere. When you are asked again, you say that you didn't receive any gift, yet, you don't accuse me of being a liar, nor you put your vote back on me (would be a real good reason).

What kind of game are you playing???

There is more than one reason I had my vote on you. One of the biggest reasons is because it was a bandwagon soundman vs you. Of course I am going to go with my win condition and vote for you.

This game flew from a standstill to a freight train, and of course as timing would have it, I was not busy at all when the game was slow, and when the game was fast was I was very busy. I was even missing turns. I can get the evidence if you really want, but I don't think it's worth it.

So my vote on you was pretty much 90% my win condition, 10% I think you are scum.

If you take my win condition out of the argument, it is more like I think its 55/45 that you are scum. It is really hard to tell. I know you are sly and you are smart enough to choose your words carefully, especially as you are playing as one of the most active players in the game. A lot of your posts speculating gift mechanics and game setup really seemed shady to me. Seemed like you were fishing for information on gifters. Now that I find out that you are claiming a gifter yourself, it makes it even more strange. You know you it is impossible to get 100% confirmed information from any of us, why wouldn't you ask those questions to pcm?

And of course the other things I have quoted that I did not like. It's just funny how the first couple posts in the game have such an impact now, I never reveal anything super early in the game no matter what alignment I am, unless I think it is a good idea to lay specific breadcrumbs down in a game.

[spiesr]

I have a feeling that players do not know if they have presents until they reach the required gifts needed (2 than 3 than 4).

I was informed upon receiving 1 gift.

[betiko]

mob; it makes sense about the wagon on me to protect soundman. I also think you have no interest in letting the gift stealer that you will receive a second gift tonight. Spiesr should reach the 3 count tonight so you will probably not be his target though. Are you sure you have nothing to add regarding a n1 gift?
If what you say is true, you just need to make a check on soundman tonight for an easy win. Can we count on you to help town tomorrow once you WCis acheived? You do realize how this gift thing can affect town if you are not saying the truth to protect yourself and how unlikely it is that you could get killed/stolen tonight? (well at least from the info we got!).
If you are sure you got no n1 gift, how come you only consider me 55% likely to be scum?

[Iron Butterfly]

So let me get this straight we are suppose to let Mob/Mother nature fulfill their win condition even though he was willing to screw over town? We lynch all liars for a reason and I don't trust any of it I sure as hell dont trust MoB. I would rather spiesr achieve his win condition then let MoB achieve his. Either way we have no idea what happens when one or all achieve their win condition.

Neither Mob nor Soundman have done anything to help Town other then to beg and whine about why we should not vote them. Now we are suppose to let MoB win under the logic that we will have three pro Town Votes when they would have no motivation to do so combined with the fact he with held information. Gimme a break. We have no idea what is the truth and what is not.

Vote Soundman

[Metsfanmax]

If you are sure you got no n1 gift, how come you only consider me 55% likely to be scum?

You could have been roleblocked N1. This is why I didn't bother to ask you about who you gifted in the previous nights. We can't learn anything definite either way. Although the fact that he now denies receiving a gift from you does make it rather likely that at least one of you is not mafia

[betiko]

If you are sure you got no n1 gift, how come you only consider me 55% likely to be scum?

You could have been roleblocked N1. This is why I didn't bother to ask you about who you gifted in the previous nights. We can't learn anything definite either way. Although the fact that he now denies receiving a gift from you does make it rather likely that at least one of you is not mafia

nendreel was told he was roleblocked night 2, and I have never been told I was roleblocked night 1. Also I was told night 2 about being stolen. Not mob n1 (I see no reason why he wouldn't ve mentionned it). If there is some sort of mechanic it's a new one. Why are you not saying the truth mob?

[spiesr]

If you are sure you got no n1 gift, how come you only consider me 55% likely to be scum?

You could have been roleblocked N1. This is why I didn't bother to ask you about who you gifted in the previous nights. We can't learn anything definite either way. Although the fact that he now denies receiving a gift from you does make it rather likely that at least one of you is not mafia

nendreel was told he was roleblocked night 2, and I have never been told I was roleblocked night 1. Also I was told night 2 about being stolen. Not mob n1 (I see no reason why he wouldn't ve mentionned it). If there is some sort of mechanic it's a new one. Why are you not saying the truth mob?

As a Cop Nendreel has an action that returns a result to him. As a gifter you presumably woudn't. I was not informed about being blocked by Superkeener Night 1.

[Metsfanmax]

If you are sure you got no n1 gift, how come you only consider me 55% likely to be scum?

You could have been roleblocked N1. This is why I didn't bother to ask you about who you gifted in the previous nights. We can't learn anything definite either way. Although the fact that he now denies receiving a gift from you does make it rather likely that at least one of you is not mafia

nendreel was told he was roleblocked night 2, and I have never been told I was roleblocked night 1. Also I was told night 2 about being stolen. Not mob n1 (I see no reason why he wouldn't ve mentionned it). If there is some sort of mechanic it's a new one. Why are you not saying the truth mob?

As a Cop Nendreel has an action that returns a result to him. As a gifter you presumably woudn't. I was not informed about being blocked by Superkeener Night 1.

I agree -- unless pcm says otherwise, I wouldn't expect a gifter to be informed about a roleblock.

[betiko]

Yeah but as far as i know you had no night action spiesr?

[MoB Deadly]

If soundman is not lynched (and I search for him tonight). I will win, and both spiesr and soundman will become normal survivors.

If soundman is lynched today, then I become a normal survivor, and I suppose spiesr wins the game is that right?

Sorry I did not state it all the way. I will be removed from the game and spiesr and soundman will become normal survivors.

I didn't go back and check on spiesr, but I am guessing that he will be removed from the game if his WC is achieved.

Are you sure you have nothing to add regarding a n1 gift?

Absolutely sure. I have no reason to hide any information as I am on my own. I have never gotten a PM regarding gifts in any way. The only time I got a PM from pcm at all was confirming that I found one of my sons (spiesr) and I needed to find 1 more.

If what you say is true, you just need to make a check on soundman tonight for an easy win. Can we count on you to help town tomorrow once you WCis acheived?

I will be removed from the game if I win. thats my fault not posting that in my claim.

You do realize how this gift thing can affect town if you are not saying the truth to protect yourself and how unlikely it is that you could get killed/stolen tonight? (well at least from the info we got!).
If you are sure you got no n1 gift, how come you only consider me 55% likely to be scum?

If I had a gift, I would have used it right away because both misers already claimed. So I had nothing to lose by using my presents. I would have given that information of what I did when I claimed.

I didn't want to automatically jump the gun on a claimed town gifter. I didn't believe superkeener and look where it got us. There are no votes on you I am not going to drive hard for a lynch on you, since there are obviously people that believe you and/or think you are too valuable to lynch at this point in the game.

I am only 55% sure because stuff happens in mafia. I could have been bus driven so someone else could have gotten my gift, you could have been roleblocked. All I know is I did not get any pm regarding anything about gifts being given or stolen or whatever.

So let me get this straight we are suppose to let Mob/Mother nature fulfill their win condition even though he was willing to screw over town? We lynch all liars for a reason and I don't trust any of it I sure as hell dont trust MoB. I would rather spiesr achieve his win condition then let MoB achieve his. Either way we have no idea what happens when one or all achieve their win condition.

Neither Mob nor Soundman have done anything to help Town other then to beg and whine about why we should not vote them. Now we are suppose to let MoB win under the logic that we will have three pro Town Votes when they would have no motivation to do so combined with the fact he with held information. Gimme a break. We have no idea what is the truth and what is not.

Vote Soundman

What information did I withhold or lie about? I am confused. Where did I beg or whine about you lynching soundman??? That has never come out of my mouth so watch what you say "Mr. Lynch all Liars"

I am going to claim to see if it changes anything. I don't want soundman lynched.

I am Mother Nature - Third party Finder/Lyncher.

If soundman is not lynched (and I search for him tonight). I will win, and both spiesr and soundman will become normal survivors.

If soundman is lynched today, then I become a normal survivor, and I suppose spiesr wins the game is that right?

Im down for anything. Im drunk as f*ck and I want this GA medal real bad. Town/mafia, choose the scenario that benefits uyou most.

I even said I don't care and I will let you choose what to do. I simply laid out the cards for review. I would vote for you right now IB just for accusing me of that.