CLUE Mafia- Mafia Win!!!! MVP- Rodion

[F1fth]

On further though, killing Victor is even better, now that they claimed that Edocsil also inherited recruiting powers.

If they are telling the truth, Victor and Edocsil are equally valuable to town.

If they are lying and are part of a cult, then offing the recruiter sooner rather than later is the best course of action.

Unvote

Vote Victor Sullivan.

Haha, well played. I was thinking this as I was read your previous post.

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one wary of losing this game to a sneaky cult. I think we stand a lot more to gain then lose by testing this out. Vote Victor

[Mass Miracle]

On further though, killing Victor is even better, now that they claimed that Edocsil also inherited recruiting powers.

If they are telling the truth, Victor and Edocsil are equally valuable to town.

If they are lying and are part of a cult, then offing the recruiter sooner rather than later is the best course of action.

Unvote

Vote Victor Sullivan.

Haha, well played. I was thinking this as I was read your previous post.

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one wary of losing this game to a sneaky cult. I think we stand a lot more to gain then lose by testing this out. Vote Victor

I agree, this cult is much too powerful. I can't buy it. Vote Victor[/quote]

[safariguy5]

On further though, killing Victor is even better, now that they claimed that Edocsil also inherited recruiting powers.

If they are telling the truth, Victor and Edocsil are equally valuable to town.

If they are lying and are part of a cult, then offing the recruiter sooner rather than later is the best course of action.

Unvote

Vote Victor Sullivan.

Haha, well played. I was thinking this as I was read your previous post.

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one wary of losing this game to a sneaky cult. I think we stand a lot more to gain then lose by testing this out. Vote Victor

I agree, this cult is much too powerful. I can't buy it. Vote Victor

[/quote]
Skimtastic post there followed by bandwagonning. Not sure if you're cleared yet by someone but that post deserves a FOS Mass Miracle at the very least. I'm of the opinion we take out target first, but if people want to test Victor now, then I won't complain.

[Victor Sullivan]

Here is a giant list I've compiled showing those of you voting for me why you're either stupid or scum:

Did you try to recruit Com9 Night 1 then?

No, got tonkaed. I originally denied it due to the fact that I thought going public with it would essentially forfeit my being able to convince mafia to join the group. After he was modkilled, there became benefits to recruiting town (the additional investigations), so I told edocsil about it Night 2 then recruited him.

-Sully

I can confirm Lala did not lie about her cellar card. She told me that she had the chief as innocent before announcing to town.

And if Lala has no reasons to do that, what reason would I have to CLAIM MAFIA.

Look. Calling use a cult is like trying to compare apples and oranges.

Cult
Scum can usually not be recruited
Cult leader is the only one who can recruit
Recruitment is not optional

Mason
Anyone can be recruited
Joining techniques are varied, ours allows rapid expansion of forces with the known caveat of deniable recruitment


So how does it make sense to call us cult?

We have been over this before, VS is innocent, and that means he isn't cult. Lynching me only results in reducing the Masons to a single easily killed player.

My concern is that freezie's faction may be willing to accept the offer, but GT's faction may not. If we lynch one of them now and GT's faction kills the other in the night, then the idea of everyone winning together is kaput. Let's lynch a scummier person now, and then see what the night results bring (successful recruitment or not, more info from freezie).

And Rodion, Victor is INNOCENT. Lala had his card, she told me he was innocent and she had no reason to lie as we were on the same side. And I wouldn't be claiming mafia without beeing sure that Victor wasn't cult.

I think you're being overcautious here. With freezie accepting the deal, if Victor is cult, they're basically hamstrung at this point. If they don't recruit freezie tonight, then we know they're cult and we can kill them. If they do recruit freezie, we can test sully's claim by lynching him tomorrow. It also guarantees against one of the factions killing off the potential town recruiting faction and taking their chances.

I'm sorry, but this is just ridiculous! The logic here can't possibly be disputed here, can it?

-Sully

[DoomYoshi]

Here is a giant list I've compiled showing those of you voting for me why you're either stupid or scum:

Did you try to recruit Com9 Night 1 then?

No, got tonkaed. I originally denied it due to the fact that I thought going public with it would essentially forfeit my being able to convince mafia to join the group. After he was modkilled, there became benefits to recruiting town (the additional investigations), so I told edocsil about it Night 2 then recruited him.

-Sully

So lying to the town is ok as long as you save your own butt? That's scumtalk.

I can confirm Lala did not lie about her cellar card. She told me that she had the chief as innocent before announcing to town.

And if Lala has no reasons to do that, what reason would I have to CLAIM MAFIA.

I will agree with this logic, however, the claim must still be tested.

Look. Calling use a cult is like trying to compare apples and oranges.

Cult
Scum can usually not be recruited
Cult leader is the only one who can recruit
Recruitment is not optional

Mason
Anyone can be recruited
Joining techniques are varied, ours allows rapid expansion of forces with the known caveat of deniable recruitment


So how does it make sense to call us cult?

Total Bullhonkey post. Already disputed.

We have been over this before, VS is innocent, and that means he isn't cult. Lynching me only results in reducing the Masons to a single easily killed player.

edoc was pretty much my number 1 target already for extremely scummy behaviour. His evidence can not be held in your favour.

My concern is that freezie's faction may be willing to accept the offer, but GT's faction may not. If we lynch one of them now and GT's faction kills the other in the night, then the idea of everyone winning together is kaput. Let's lynch a scummier person now, and then see what the night results bring (successful recruitment or not, more info from freezie).

So, at least one person agrees with you, therefore you are cleared?

And Rodion, Victor is INNOCENT. Lala had his card, she told me he was innocent and she had no reason to lie as we were on the same side. And I wouldn't be claiming mafia without beeing sure that Victor wasn't cult.

Redundant

I think you're being overcautious here. With freezie accepting the deal, if Victor is cult, they're basically hamstrung at this point. If they don't recruit freezie tonight, then we know they're cult and we can kill them. If they do recruit freezie, we can test sully's claim by lynching him tomorrow. It also guarantees against one of the factions killing off the potential town recruiting faction and taking their chances.

Wrong. How do we know freezie isn't just lying once he gets recruited?
I'm sorry, but this is just ridiculous! The logic here can't possibly be disputed here, can it?

-Sully

The logic can be disputed. Here's a question. If you are trying to recruit town, why choose edoc? Why not choose a confirmed townie? This question can be directed at your very first quote. Too much is not adding up here. I am not saying that you are lying, I am just saying that I can not let this day go without testing your claim.

[Victor Sullivan]

Alright, dispute everything else aside from freezie's confirmation of lalaland's confirming of my innocence. freezie would not be so stupid as to expose himself as scum unless he knew I was town.

-Sully

[DoomYoshi]

Alright, dispute everything else aside from freezie's confirmation of lalaland's confirming of my innocence. freezie would not be so stupid as to expose himself as scum unless he knew I was town.

-Sully

Not true. He knew he was taking a big risk exposing himself. Also, you didn't answer the question.

[Victor Sullivan]

Ah, sorry:

The logic can be disputed. Here's a question. If you are trying to recruit town, why choose edoc? Why not choose a confirmed townie? This question can be directed at your very first quote. Too much is not adding up here. I am not saying that you are lying, I am just saying that I can not let this day go without testing your claim.

edocsil and I were partners, so I could talk to him at night, Night 2. By Night 2, I had gotten my new set of perks, due to got tonkaed's PM quoting (as I mentioned earlier), so I decided to tell edoc the truth in hopes that he would agree to be recruited. It honestly didn't matter to me whether or not edoc was mafia or town, and I thought I could convince him either way.

-Sully

[Victor Sullivan]

EBWOP: While if I tried to recruit someone else, I couldn't give them an explanation.

-Sully

[DoomYoshi]

Ah, sorry:

The logic can be disputed. Here's a question. If you are trying to recruit town, why choose edoc? Why not choose a confirmed townie? This question can be directed at your very first quote. Too much is not adding up here. I am not saying that you are lying, I am just saying that I can not let this day go without testing your claim.

edocsil and I were partners, so I could talk to him at night, Night 2. By Night 2, I had gotten my new set of perks, due to got tonkaed's PM quoting (as I mentioned earlier), so I decided to tell edoc the truth in hopes that he would agree to be recruited. It honestly didn't matter to me whether or not edoc was mafia or town, and I thought I could convince him either way.

-Sully

So the mods decided to balance the loss of a mafia member by making the town members more powerful? So if you thought you could convince him either way, why say "there became benefits to recruiting town" when you clearly admit that it didn't matter who you recruited. This story really isn't adding up now. I will let it rest for tonight and let some others weigh in as well.

[Victor Sullivan]

Ah, sorry:

The logic can be disputed. Here's a question. If you are trying to recruit town, why choose edoc? Why not choose a confirmed townie? This question can be directed at your very first quote. Too much is not adding up here. I am not saying that you are lying, I am just saying that I can not let this day go without testing your claim.

edocsil and I were partners, so I could talk to him at night, Night 2. By Night 2, I had gotten my new set of perks, due to got tonkaed's PM quoting (as I mentioned earlier), so I decided to tell edoc the truth in hopes that he would agree to be recruited. It honestly didn't matter to me whether or not edoc was mafia or town, and I thought I could convince him either way.

-Sully

So the mods decided to balance the loss of a mafia member by making the town members more powerful? So if you thought you could convince him either way, why say "there became benefits to recruiting town" when you clearly admit that it didn't matter who you recruited. This story really isn't adding up now. I will let it rest for tonight and let some others weigh in as well.

Before, I gained nothing from recruiting town other than being able to talk with them at night. With mafia recruitment, I could at least convert a mafia player to the town. After my new perks, my group gets an extra investigation for each player recruited no matter what, whether mafia or town. I said it didn't matter what alignment edoc was because 1. I could at least explain myself aside from a cheesy evangelist message that conveyed nearly zero information and 2. my group gets an extra investigation regardless of what the player's alignment was before recruitment, so it was a win win, no matter which alignment edoc was.

-Sully

[freezie]

Doom, lying to town when you got a major pro-town power role to save your own butt is a good, if not needed, strategy.

And he IS trying to recruit non-town people..like me for instance.

Everyone voting victor are either misleaded, stupid or anti-town trying to win anti-town. Killing victor now will risk edoc's life tonight and evidently blow up a huge chance for town to win this.

If you're going to lynch Victor, wait till tomorow..Unless edoc or victor dies in the meantime confirming everyone voting him is even more wrong than....whatever is wronger than wrong.


Victor has been cleared, 4 times over once.

[freezie]

Alright, dispute everything else aside from freezie's confirmation of lalaland's confirming of my innocence. freezie would not be so stupid as to expose himself as scum unless he knew I was town.

-Sully

Not true. He knew he was taking a big risk exposing himself. Also, you didn't answer the question.

Eh oh, stop talking in my name. Victor is absolutly right, I wouldn't have exposed myself if there was a chance he would be cult.

You are not wrong, thought, by saying I took a risk. There was always a risk that Victor/Edoc were using the GT's incident to lie to town saying they could recruit mafias and turn them to town and hopefully have one or more members claiming and offing them right away.

That was my only risk I took. I know victor is town.

[DoomYoshi]

Not to mention, Rodion, that both edocsil and I can recruit masons. So if there's another that would like to be recruited, feel free to speak up.

-Sully

What the hell, recruit me.

unvote vote target

[Victor Sullivan]

Not to mention, Rodion, that both edocsil and I can recruit masons. So if there's another that would like to be recruited, feel free to speak up.

-Sully

What the hell, recruit me.

unvote vote target

Will do

-Sully

[freezie]

For an old school time image, which was used everytime a hammer occured by someone I can't seem to remember the name ( I can only think of the1exile for now..)

[safariguy5]

Man that lynch took a while to develop. So Victor recruits Doom and edoc recruits freezie? Or is it just one recruitment a night? I'd say recruit freezie first.

[VioIet]

Vote Count



target(7)- safari, doomyoshi, freezie, /, victor, edoc, dazey
Victor (4) - target, rodion, fifth, mass

With 17 alive, it takes 8 to lynch

[ben.cleuch]

Had a rel life problem that took me away for a few days. I will catch up on the thread later and post anty replies required. Back in a few hours. Sorry.

[ben.cleuch]

Ok I have read through the posts now.
Seems to me that opinions are split and shifting constantly over the last 3 or 4 pages. Do I believe there are to mafia families out there? No it just does not seem right. Some players are pretty well exposed as having the whiff of scum about them.
I liked the idea of the edoc flip, but that seems to have been dropped now, with little chance of support again.
My choice after that was the VS vote.
The freezie thing I am not saying it’s wrong, just not quite right.
So when these players line up to vote to lynch target. With only 1 more vote needed. I just cannot support that vote at the moment.
So apologies but no vote yet. Will read comments again later.

[Victor Sullivan]

Man that lynch took a while to develop. So Victor recruits Doom and edoc recruits freezie? Or is it just one recruitment a night? I'd say recruit freezie first.

Both edoc and I can recruit 'em.

-Sully

[safariguy5]

Anything to say in your defense target? You're at L-1 and about to be hammered I think.

[safariguy5]

Anything to say in your defense target? You're at L-1 and about to be hammered I think.

ABWOP:

@ Rodion and other skeptics, now that Victor has said both he and edoc can recruit, that's an extra layer of confirmation. If doom and freezie aren't recruited tomorrow, then we might have a problem. But a cult that has extra recruits means that unless we had lynched Victor Day 1, it's damn near impossible to stop him once he had a couple of recruits. They'd be like weeds, you can't get rid of all of them. If they are cult, then even with the possibility of refusing membership, the extra recruitment opportunities is seriously OP to me.

[freezie]

Doom voted target it seems....

[Victor Sullivan]

Click image to enlarge.

Anyone?

-Sully