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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Gillipig on Thu May 30, 2013 2:28 pm

waauw wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
waauw wrote:I wonder how christians would react if one would get a large and visible tattoo saying "666"...

"That guy must really like the letter six!"


letter?

Yeah letter, never heard of the letter six before? What about the number blue, heard of that?
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Viceroy63 on Thu May 30, 2013 3:23 pm

Gillipig wrote:
waauw wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
waauw wrote:I wonder how christians would react if one would get a large and visible tattoo saying "666"...

"That guy must really like the letter six!"


letter?

Yeah letter, never heard of the letter six before? What about the number blue, heard of that?


I guess you sing with all the voices of the mountain and paint with all the colors of the wind as well???
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu May 30, 2013 3:24 pm

Viceroy63 wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
waauw wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
waauw wrote:I wonder how christians would react if one would get a large and visible tattoo saying "666"...

"That guy must really like the letter six!"


letter?

Yeah letter, never heard of the letter six before? What about the number blue, heard of that?


I guess you sing with all the voices of the mountain and paint with all the colors of the wind as well???


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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Lootifer on Thu May 30, 2013 5:01 pm

universalchiro wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.


Nuclear Physicist Dr. Robert Gentry, has discovered 1,000's of Polonium radio halos in granite rock in a primordial state in 5 continents.

What does this mean? Let me lay a foundation to be better able to see the meaning.

According to Evolution theory in the beginning of the earth was in a very hot condition, and rock was in a molten state that took millions upon millions of years to cool. Now hold that thought and let's add other foundational material.

Radioactive elements are unstable and they want to lose electrons to become more stable, the first stable non-radioactive element is lead (Pb). When radioactive elements in rock lose an electron in this endeavor to be stable, they will leave a remnant halo of this lost alpha/beta particle and this lost radio active electron is fleeting, meaning Polonium 218 radioactive isotope only last a seconds to a few minutes before become something else. And yet these Polonium halos have left their identifying mark in granite.

The fleeting existence of radioactive isotopes, is like the effervescent bubbles of Alka Seltzer in water. The decay rate of Polonium is very short.

As Polonium 218 loses electrons in the liquid granite, they would leave a microscopic 3 dimensional sphere that appears on 2 dimensional slide as a ring. So one ring for Po218, one ring for Po214 and one ring for Po210 . Therefore, three distinctive rings.

When the granite rock was formed, Polonium was there and somehow the element was captured by the rock. But since Polonium is so fleeting in existence and evolutionary theory is that rock cooled over millions of years, then all the Polonium would have decayed to another element and couldn't be captured in granite.

It's liken to the Alka Seltzer in water. The Alka Seltzer tablet is the Polonium. And the water is like the Molten granite. To show someone 10,000 years in the future the bubbling effect (the bubbles are like the radiation emitted by the Polonium), one has to freeze the water to capture the bubbles. One couldn't slowly cool the water over days. It would have to be instantly cooled in seconds to capture the fleeting bubbles. So too with the granite rock. The granite rock had to be instantly cooled to capture the Polonium halos imprinted in the granite rock.

To all those willing to listen, this proves that the earth's granite rock hardened (formed) almost instantly to capture the fleeting Polonium halos. Proof positive that granite rock didn't cool over millions to billions of years.

This substantiates the Genesis account of creation that God created the heavens and the earth and all that is in them in 6 days and rested the 7th day.

http://vimeo.com/34916219
Research performed at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee. Discoveries published in leading journals: "Science", "Nature","Geophysical Research Letters", "Earth & Planetary Science Letters", "Physical review Letter", "Annual Reviews of Nuclear Science". Papers appearing in these journals are subject to peer review.

Geologist use constant decay rates to determine the age of earth. They will study a rock and determine how much of Uranium 238 has turned into Pb210 (lead), then working backwards with a constant rate of decay, geologist can determine the rocks starting point. The instrument used is an ion probe mass spectrometer. This measure the ratio of Ur to Pb. Utilizing the constant rate of decay, geologist determine rock to be billion year old. All dating methods work on the same theory. Using today's rate of decay as a constant to determine when the starting point is. This involves an assumption: That the rate of decay has always been constant.

The distant past rates of decay is not measurable and has not been observed. Two very important requirements of the scientific method of elevating a hypothesis to a theory.

Most radio halos demonstrate concentric rings of each alpha and beta particle released, they look like archery targets on a 2-dimensional image. So from Uranium 238 to Pb 210, there would be 8 concentric rings as Uranium 238 decayed to Lead. But what Dr. Robert Gentry discovered is Polonium rings with no parent Uranium ring that produced them, no descending chain of decay, just a starting point of Polonium. This just shouldn't happen.

Polonium is suppose to exist in nature as the last of descendant decay chain from Uranium before it decays into lead. This is primordial Polonium. No Uranium parent. The ion microprobe of the magnetic mass spectrometer determined that Polonium 218 existed in a Primordial state. That is to say an instant creative condition, rather than a natural decay condition from Uranium238.

For those willing to listen, this is unequivocal evidence that the Bible's creation account is truth and God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days and rested the 7th day.

Ho hum.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/po-halos/gentry.html
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby waauw on Thu May 30, 2013 8:07 pm

universalchiro wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.


Nuclear Physicist Dr. Robert Gentry, has discovered 1,000's of Polonium radio halos in granite rock in a primordial state in 5 continents.

What does this mean? Let me lay a foundation to be better able to see the meaning.

According to Evolution theory in the beginning of the earth was in a very hot condition, and rock was in a molten state that took millions upon millions of years to cool. Now hold that thought and let's add other foundational material.

Radioactive elements are unstable and they want to lose electrons to become more stable, the first stable non-radioactive element is lead (Pb). When radioactive elements in rock lose an electron in this endeavor to be stable, they will leave a remnant halo of this lost alpha/beta particle and this lost radio active electron is fleeting, meaning Polonium 218 radioactive isotope only last a seconds to a few minutes before become something else. And yet these Polonium halos have left their identifying mark in granite.

The fleeting existence of radioactive isotopes, is like the effervescent bubbles of Alka Seltzer in water. The decay rate of Polonium is very short.

As Polonium 218 loses electrons in the liquid granite, they would leave a microscopic 3 dimensional sphere that appears on 2 dimensional slide as a ring. So one ring for Po218, one ring for Po214 and one ring for Po210 . Therefore, three distinctive rings.

When the granite rock was formed, Polonium was there and somehow the element was captured by the rock. But since Polonium is so fleeting in existence and evolutionary theory is that rock cooled over millions of years, then all the Polonium would have decayed to another element and couldn't be captured in granite.

It's liken to the Alka Seltzer in water. The Alka Seltzer tablet is the Polonium. And the water is like the Molten granite. To show someone 10,000 years in the future the bubbling effect (the bubbles are like the radiation emitted by the Polonium), one has to freeze the water to capture the bubbles. One couldn't slowly cool the water over days. It would have to be instantly cooled in seconds to capture the fleeting bubbles. So too with the granite rock. The granite rock had to be instantly cooled to capture the Polonium halos imprinted in the granite rock.

To all those willing to listen, this proves that the earth's granite rock hardened (formed) almost instantly to capture the fleeting Polonium halos. Proof positive that granite rock didn't cool over millions to billions of years.

This substantiates the Genesis account of creation that God created the heavens and the earth and all that is in them in 6 days and rested the 7th day.

http://vimeo.com/34916219
Research performed at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee. Discoveries published in leading journals: "Science", "Nature","Geophysical Research Letters", "Earth & Planetary Science Letters", "Physical review Letter", "Annual Reviews of Nuclear Science". Papers appearing in these journals are subject to peer review.

Geologist use constant decay rates to determine the age of earth. They will study a rock and determine how much of Uranium 238 has turned into Pb210 (lead), then working backwards with a constant rate of decay, geologist can determine the rocks starting point. The instrument used is an ion probe mass spectrometer. This measure the ratio of Ur to Pb. Utilizing the constant rate of decay, geologist determine rock to be billion year old. All dating methods work on the same theory. Using today's rate of decay as a constant to determine when the starting point is. This involves an assumption: That the rate of decay has always been constant.

The distant past rates of decay is not measurable and has not been observed. Two very important requirements of the scientific method of elevating a hypothesis to a theory.

Most radio halos demonstrate concentric rings of each alpha and beta particle released, they look like archery targets on a 2-dimensional image. So from Uranium 238 to Pb 210, there would be 8 concentric rings as Uranium 238 decayed to Lead. But what Dr. Robert Gentry discovered is Polonium rings with no parent Uranium ring that produced them, no descending chain of decay, just a starting point of Polonium. This just shouldn't happen.

Polonium is suppose to exist in nature as the last of descendant decay chain from Uranium before it decays into lead. This is primordial Polonium. No Uranium parent. The ion microprobe of the magnetic mass spectrometer determined that Polonium 218 existed in a Primordial state. That is to say an instant creative condition, rather than a natural decay condition from Uranium238.

For those willing to listen, this is unequivocal evidence that the Bible's creation account is truth and God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days and rested the 7th day.


Dude you keep making the same mistake over and over again. Whether or not you can show the questionability of evolutionary theory doesn't really matter. Even if you were able to fully disprove evolution, that doesn't prove that your God is real. So show us the conclusive and not just indicative proof that your God is real. And give us examples and details.

Also evolution theory doesn't say anything about the formation of earth, that's a completely different theory.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby tzor on Thu May 30, 2013 10:03 pm

waauw wrote:I never claimed that the church oppressed all scientific advances. All I claimed was that viceroy63 was wrong about scientists dismissing the telescope. Additionally you should know that the catholic church operated like the soviet union did. All advances were made in subjects that the church wanted/allowed to see advanced. Any proof that one of the views of the church was wrong was oppressed.


It is important to remember that at this time (and actually this continues to happen centuries later) the lines between science and faith were not as solid as they were now. When scientists used (often incorrectly) theories of science to attack articles of faith the church would always step in and defend their articles of faith. To compare this to the command structure of the Soviet Union is simply wrong.




waauw wrote:Also mechanical clocks were first developed by the chinese, not monks.


None of the first clocks survived from 13th century Europe, but various mentions in church records reveal some of the early history of the clock.
The word horologia (from the Greek ὡρα, hour, and λέγειν, to tell) was used to describe all these devices, but the use of this word (still used in several Romance languages) for all timekeepers conceals from us the true nature of the mechanisms. For example, there is a record that in 1176 Sens Cathedral installed a ‘horologe’ but the mechanism used is unknown. According to Jocelin of Brakelond, in 1198 during a fire at the abbey of St Edmundsbury (now Bury St Edmunds), the monks 'ran to the clock' to fetch water, indicating that their water clock had a reservoir large enough to help extinguish the occasional fire.

Postman discusses the history of the clock, the origins of which date back to the Benedictine monasteries of the twelfth century. These monks invented the mechanical clock as a way to provide regularity to their daily routines. The monks kept seven periods of devotion throughout the day; the new clock kept the time. Eliminating the guesswork of estimation, the mechanical clock allowed prayer bells to be rung at precise intervals. What the clock gave these men was, in a word, precision.

But then something happened. The clock began to move outside the monastic chambers into the homes of the merchant class. Workers could now operate on a schedule as precise as the Benedictine monks. What this did was revolutionize business by establishing a means by which workers could regulate their hours and production. As far as Postman is concerned, without the clock, capitalism would have never happened. Time, it seems, is money.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby chang50 on Fri May 31, 2013 2:51 am

universalchiro wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.


Nuclear Physicist Dr. Robert Gentry, has discovered 1,000's of Polonium radio halos in granite rock in a primordial state in 5 continents.

What does this mean? Let me lay a foundation to be better able to see the meaning.

According to Evolution theory in the beginning of the earth was in a very hot condition, and rock was in a molten state that took millions upon millions of years to cool. Now hold that thought and let's add other foundational material.


According to whom?If you are going to make wild claims of this type at least back them up with a source.If you are referring to the theory of evolution,it has precisely zero to say about the earth's origins or early temperture or geological condition.I can't be the only one to have noticed a pattern developing in your posts of carelessly throwing out unsubstantiated or unfounded assertions willy nilly.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby waauw on Fri May 31, 2013 4:28 am

chang50 wrote:
universalchiro wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.


According to Evolution theory in the beginning of the earth was in a very hot condition, and rock was in a molten state that took millions upon millions of years to cool. Now hold that thought and let's add other foundational material.


According to whom?If you are going to make wild claims of this type at least back them up with a source.If you are referring to the theory of evolution,it has precisely zero to say about the earth's origins or early temperture or geological condition.I can't be the only one to have noticed a pattern developing in your posts of carelessly throwing out unsubstantiated or unfounded assertions willy nilly.


don't worry I've told 'm the same thing before too
However he seems to have a VERY selective perception, ignoring half the arguments against his point of view
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby crispybits on Fri May 31, 2013 5:43 am

Naah his perception isn't selective, it's just as soon as he realises he has nothing to say about what the science ACTUALLY says rather than what he's straw manning it up to say he decides to stop having a reasonable conversation and threatens you with Hell instead.

Always fun when the religious nuts do that, it clearly shows they haven't got an argument any more. Maybe we need an additional version of Godwin's Law for times like this?
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby universalchiro on Fri May 31, 2013 9:29 am

universalchiro wrote:
crispybits wrote:
universalchiro wrote:But with closer inspection, humans have similar strands of genetic coding to many creatures, not just the chimp and not just primates. Why?


Because the primates are part of a bigger set. The species "homo sapiens" sits within the genus "homo" which in turns sits within the tribe "homininae" which in turn sits within the family "hominidae" which in turn sits within the order "primates". This order is the set that includes both human beings and chimpanzees (and used to include things like neanderthal man before it became extinct). The amount of species still alive today within that order is huge (437 species).

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Now your assertion would be fine if the line stopped there and every other branch was separate, but that's not what evolution says, it's a straw man. Because the order "primates" sits within the class "mammalia", and this class includes all dogs, cats, cows, horses, whales, dolphins, mice, bears, otters, bats, etc etc. Evolution doesn't say we came from monkeys and that's where it started, it says that at some point we had a common ancestor with ALL of these other animals. Therefore it is perfectly reasonable that there would be properties in common with these other creatures, including genetic coding.


This is so sad to read. And none of the evolutionist see the above error. For they would have said something. Such blindness to the obvious is just sad to read.

Imagine You are in a court of law trying to prove your case that man evolved from rock. The judge says, "please present your evidence". And you say, "I call your attention to the chart above, this is fact and proof of evolution". The crowd of evolutionist shout for joy and mock the creationist as idiots. Then the judge says, "who made this chart?", you reply "an evolutionist made this chart". The judge says, "This evidence is thrown out for it lacks objectivity and is purely subjective with extreme bias". An evolutionist creates a chart to support his preconceived belief and this is the so called "facts" you present? For shame, for shame.

This is the underlying problem with evolutionist. They create their own evidence to supposedly support their already preconceived belief system. This is the blind faith and dogmatic one-sided interpretation of evidence, that reveals this is a faith based religion. This is not a pursuit of truth, evolution is a hatred of anything that has to do with God.

The answer of why humans are on earth, the purpose for living, is to give glory to God for His majesty is displayed daily with His dynamic creation. Humans are riddled with sin (missing the mark of God's holy standard) and the wages of sin is death. But through the saving blood of Jesus Christ, you can be free from the bondage of sin. And have eternal life in heaven of no tears, no sorrows, no crying, filled with joy and love forever with an immortal body.

Crispybits, you have presented yourself as a teacher. There is a greater penalty of those who teach doctrine of demons. But even the rankest sinner, even the one who hates God the most, even the one filled with extreme anger towards God can be redeemed. The power of God to change the heart is beyond comprehension. But there comes a point in time when God says "enough is enough, I have sent to you forth teller after forth teller, preacher after preacher and you have rejected them all. I will now turn my back on you and turn you over to a depraved mind, where I will allow demons to possess you and not let you go. Then you won't even have a functioning mind, foolishness will reign and you will never be satisfied in all the lust of life." So don't delay. Repent of your idolatry and give your life to God.

Those who still have an open mind, let me know and I will show you the truth about God and lead you to freedom from anxiousness, guilt, shame, pain of sin, sorrow of broken relationships, worry of money and an eternity of suffering in Hell. And fill the empty void in your life of why you are here on earth and what is the purpose in life.

Crispybits, I wrote a grammatical error, I was trying to say "not that you were the worst sinner, for you are just another sinner, just like me, but I was trying to say since even the worst sinner can repent, then the lesser sinner such as you and I can repent. The Apostle Paul in the book of Timothy, gave clarity that he was the chief among sinners. Which means there is only one chief, so you and I are less offenders. In the book of James, it is written that if one violates one jot or tittle of the law, they have violated all the law. So from one sinner to another, I look at you as an equal sinner. The difference is I have been forgiven by accepting Jesus as my Lord and savior and you reject God.

I write from strength because Christians have the mind of Christ (I Corinthians 2), we are filled with the Holy Spirit that searches all the depths of God the Father and we have the mind of Christ. Which is knowledge of such things like the beginning of creation and wisdom of day to day skillful living. This is not arrogance, because it has nothing to do with my abilities, for all my knowledge and wisdom comes from God, this is assurance in God's word. Evolutionist view the Bible as foolishness because they are incapable of understanding it. The meanings and ability of seeing the truths in the Bible is exclusively through the Holy Spirit, which they don't have and reject.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby universalchiro on Fri May 31, 2013 9:37 am

chang50 wrote:
universalchiro wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.


Nuclear Physicist Dr. Robert Gentry, has discovered 1,000's of Polonium radio halos in granite rock in a primordial state in 5 continents.

What does this mean? Let me lay a foundation to be better able to see the meaning.

According to Evolution theory in the beginning of the earth was in a very hot condition, and rock was in a molten state that took millions upon millions of years to cool. Now hold that thought and let's add other foundational material.


According to whom?If you are going to make wild claims of this type at least back them up with a source.If you are referring to the theory of evolution,it has precisely zero to say about the earth's origins or early temperture or geological condition.I can't be the only one to have noticed a pattern developing in your posts of carelessly throwing out unsubstantiated or unfounded assertions willy nilly.


You don't even know your own religion!! You are hilarious. I state your own believed facts, but you don't even know what you believe.

http://www.factmonster.com/dk/encyclope ... earth.html
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The Sun began to form around 5 billion years ago out of a cloud of whirling dust and gas in space. As it formed, the Sun’s gravity gradually pulled the dust and gas into lumps, which became the planets. At first, Earth was a ball of molten rock. Its surface rock slowly began to cool and harden around 4 billion years ago.

Table 16. EARTH’S FORMATION
5.0 billion years ago The solar system begins to form from gas and dust swirling in space.
4.6 billion years ago Earth begins to form as a ball of molten rock.
4.5 billion years ago Volcanoes erupt gas and steam to form the oceans, and molten rock.
4.2 billion years ago Earth’s surface cools and the hard outer crust forms.
3.6 billion years ago The first continents form; life begins on Earth.


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Earth formed around 4.54 billion (4.54×109) years ago by accretion from the solar nebula. Volcanic outgassing likely created the primordial atmosphere, but it contained almost no oxygen and would have been toxic to humans and most modern life. Much of the Earth was molten because of extreme volcanism and frequent collisions with other bodies. One very large collision is thought to have been responsible for tilting the Earth at an angle and forming the Moon. Over time, the planet cooled and formed a solid crust, allowing liquid water to exist on the surface

change50, get it together, you don't even know what evolution hypothesis is. I quote your own jargon and you say it's a straw man argument, because you don't know what you believe... That's the pattern emerging. You guys are clueless to how your beliefs are faith based, nigh observable, nigh measurable. Purely conjectures from a bias position...

EVOLUTION IS HOKUM...
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby crispybits on Fri May 31, 2013 9:59 am

universalchiro wrote:The meanings and ability of seeing the truths in the Bible is exclusively through the Holy Spirit, which they don't have and reject.


So lets imagine we're starting from a blank slate here, and I'm someone who has never heard of Christianity....

You: Be a Christian and be saved! I know God wants to save you!
Me: But you're just a man, why should I believe you?
You: The Bible gives us great knowledge and insight into the will of God.
Me: OK I will read the bible and get back to you...
You: You can't just READ the Bible, first you have to let God into your heart. If you read it without the Holy Spirit inside you you will not understand.
Me: How do I know if I want God in my heart if I don't know anything about him?
You: You just do - God is wonderful, let him into your heart.
Me: Tell me what God is all about in detail first please, start to finish. I don't want to be deceived by false information and let something wrong into my heart.
You: It's all in the Bible!
Me: OK then let me read the Bible...
You: First you have to let God into your heart - until you do that you cannot understand the Bible!
Me: .....

Are we getting all circular again? Thought so....

Oh and just for posterity, because this is hilarious:

universalchiro wrote:you don't even know what evolution hypothesis is.


:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby universalchiro on Fri May 31, 2013 10:00 am

Lootifer wrote:
universalchiro wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.


Nuclear Physicist Dr. Robert Gentry, has discovered 1,000's of Polonium radio halos in granite rock in a primordial state in 5 continents.

What does this mean? Let me lay a foundation to be better able to see the meaning.

According to Evolution theory in the beginning of the earth was in a very hot condition, and rock was in a molten state that took millions upon millions of years to cool. Now hold that thought and let's add other foundational material.

Radioactive elements are unstable and they want to lose electrons to become more stable, the first stable non-radioactive element is lead (Pb). When radioactive elements in rock lose an electron in this endeavor to be stable, they will leave a remnant halo of this lost alpha/beta particle and this lost radio active electron is fleeting, meaning Polonium 218 radioactive isotope only last a seconds to a few minutes before become something else. And yet these Polonium halos have left their identifying mark in granite.

The fleeting existence of radioactive isotopes, is like the effervescent bubbles of Alka Seltzer in water. The decay rate of Polonium is very short.

As Polonium 218 loses electrons in the liquid granite, they would leave a microscopic 3 dimensional sphere that appears on 2 dimensional slide as a ring. So one ring for Po218, one ring for Po214 and one ring for Po210 . Therefore, three distinctive rings.

When the granite rock was formed, Polonium was there and somehow the element was captured by the rock. But since Polonium is so fleeting in existence and evolutionary theory is that rock cooled over millions of years, then all the Polonium would have decayed to another element and couldn't be captured in granite.

It's liken to the Alka Seltzer in water. The Alka Seltzer tablet is the Polonium. And the water is like the Molten granite. To show someone 10,000 years in the future the bubbling effect (the bubbles are like the radiation emitted by the Polonium), one has to freeze the water to capture the bubbles. One couldn't slowly cool the water over days. It would have to be instantly cooled in seconds to capture the fleeting bubbles. So too with the granite rock. The granite rock had to be instantly cooled to capture the Polonium halos imprinted in the granite rock.

To all those willing to listen, this proves that the earth's granite rock hardened (formed) almost instantly to capture the fleeting Polonium halos. Proof positive that granite rock didn't cool over millions to billions of years.

This substantiates the Genesis account of creation that God created the heavens and the earth and all that is in them in 6 days and rested the 7th day.

http://vimeo.com/34916219
Research performed at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee. Discoveries published in leading journals: "Science", "Nature","Geophysical Research Letters", "Earth & Planetary Science Letters", "Physical review Letter", "Annual Reviews of Nuclear Science". Papers appearing in these journals are subject to peer review.

Geologist use constant decay rates to determine the age of earth. They will study a rock and determine how much of Uranium 238 has turned into Pb210 (lead), then working backwards with a constant rate of decay, geologist can determine the rocks starting point. The instrument used is an ion probe mass spectrometer. This measure the ratio of Ur to Pb. Utilizing the constant rate of decay, geologist determine rock to be billion year old. All dating methods work on the same theory. Using today's rate of decay as a constant to determine when the starting point is. This involves an assumption: That the rate of decay has always been constant.

The distant past rates of decay is not measurable and has not been observed. Two very important requirements of the scientific method of elevating a hypothesis to a theory.

Most radio halos demonstrate concentric rings of each alpha and beta particle released, they look like archery targets on a 2-dimensional image. So from Uranium 238 to Pb 210, there would be 8 concentric rings as Uranium 238 decayed to Lead. But what Dr. Robert Gentry discovered is Polonium rings with no parent Uranium ring that produced them, no descending chain of decay, just a starting point of Polonium. This just shouldn't happen.

Polonium is suppose to exist in nature as the last of descendant decay chain from Uranium before it decays into lead. This is primordial Polonium. No Uranium parent. The ion microprobe of the magnetic mass spectrometer determined that Polonium 218 existed in a Primordial state. That is to say an instant creative condition, rather than a natural decay condition from Uranium238.

For those willing to listen, this is unequivocal evidence that the Bible's creation account is truth and God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days and rested the 7th day.

Ho hum.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/po-halos/gentry.html

You should read his article before copying and pasting, he is unable to refute, he is asking for more clarity, more information before he accepts Dr. Robert Gentry's findings. This doesn't refute at all. And he is not a peer to Dr. Robert Gentry, so he is not providing a peer review. Dr. Robert Gentry has already submitted his findings over the past 3 decades to 100's of peer reviews.
The author is a geologist, not a nuclear physicist. Dr. Robert Gentry is talking about nuclear physics. Also, Dr. Robert Gentry replied to his website post: http://www.halos.com/faq-replies/creati ... efuted.htm
You will serve yourself well to do more research. But you won't, Why? Evolutionist don't want the truth, they believe with blind faith. Even when evolution has been proven wrong, they don't want to hear it...
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Postby universalchiro on Fri May 31, 2013 10:21 am

CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.

The Bible has over 2,000+ prophecies that have been fulfilled to the jot and tittle, to the hour and day. For example Israel becoming a nation again, Israel taking control of Jerusalem, and the pinnacle is God sending His Son taking the form of flesh, being born of a virgin, through the lineage of King David's genealogy, born in Bethlehem in a manger as foretold by Isaiah 600 years before occurrence. Jesus performed incredible miracles from walking on water, raising the dead, making the blind see, the mute speak and the deaf to hear. Jesus rode on a donkey into Jerusalem 483 years to the day as foretold by Daniel and Zachariah 650 years before the event. Then He died on the cross as foretold by many Old Testament prophecies 500+ years prior too. Jesus didn't just die on any day, He died on the Holy Passover day as a symbol of being the sacrificial lamb, then rising from the grave 3 days later as foretold by many prophecies 500+ years prior too. His beaten, scourged body with a crown of thorns was pierced and nailed to the cross and then placed in a tomb, with a 2 ton stone was guarding His tomb, while many Roman soldiers guarded the tomb. Over 500+ saw His resurrected body. He would have been too weak to move the stone if He faked His death. And the guards prevented any theft of His body for they guarded the tomb with their own life. A miracle occurred again to fulfill prophecy.

The fulfilled prophecies and Jesus' death burial and resurrection is evidence of God. For mankind is unable to predict the future, but the Bible did, does and tells of soon coming events (get ready!).

The Bible is historically accurate, scientifically accurate (even though the corrupt church drifted from God and revealed their corrupt heart by their actions), medically accurate, archeologically accurate and 66 books written by 35 different authors, spanning 3000 years and all be in harmony without one single contradiction, one single error, is another miracle and evidence of God.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri May 31, 2013 10:27 am

universalchiro wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.

The Bible has over 2,000+ prophecies that have been fulfilled to the jot and tittle, to the hour and day. For example Israel becoming a nation again, Israel taking control of Jerusalem, and the pinnacle is God sending His Son taking the form of flesh, being born of a virgin, through the lineage of King David's genealogy, born in Bethlehem in a manger as foretold by Isaiah 600 years before occurrence. Jesus performed incredible miracles from walking on water, raising the dead, making the blind see, the mute speak and the deaf to hear. Jesus rode on a donkey into Jerusalem 483 years to the day as foretold by Daniel and Zachariah 650 years before the event. Then He died on the cross as foretold by many Old Testament prophecies 500+ years prior too. Jesus didn't just die on any day, He died on the Holy Passover day as a symbol of being the sacrificial lamb, then rising from the grave 3 days later as foretold by many prophecies 500+ years prior too. His beaten, scourged body with a crown of thorns was pierced and nailed to the cross and then placed in a tomb, with a 2 ton stone was guarding His tomb, while many Roman soldiers guarded the tomb. Over 500+ saw His resurrected body. He would have been too weak to move the stone if He faked His death. And the guards prevented any theft of His body for they guarded the tomb with their own life. A miracle occurred again to fulfill prophecy.

The fulfilled prophecies and Jesus' death burial and resurrection is evidence of God. For mankind is unable to predict the future, but the Bible did, does and tells of soon coming events (get ready!).

The Bible is historically accurate, scientifically accurate (even though the corrupt church drifted from God and revealed their corrupt heart by their actions), medically accurate, archeologically accurate and 66 books written by 35 different authors, spanning 3000 years and all be in harmony without one single contradiction, one single error, is another miracle and evidence of God.



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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Symmetry on Fri May 31, 2013 10:32 am

universalchiro wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.

The Bible has over 2,000+ prophecies that have been fulfilled to the jot and tittle, to the hour and day.


Feel free to post ten of the predictions professed, to the hour predicted, and the day predicted. To the jot, obviously.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby crispybits on Fri May 31, 2013 10:38 am

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universalchiro wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.

The Bible has over 2,000+ prophecies that have been fulfilled to the jot and tittle, to the hour and day.


Feel free to post ten of the predictions professed, to the hour predicted, and the day predicted. To the jot, obviously.


I think it might be more eye-opening if he just posts the bible passages containing the prophetic prediction with no extra explanation about what he thinks has been fulfilled, then we can all try and work out what event each propechy is predicting. After all, these prophecies are precise and to the hour so we should all be able to work out what they reference very quickly right?
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Symmetry on Fri May 31, 2013 11:06 am

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universalchiro wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.

The Bible has over 2,000+ prophecies that have been fulfilled to the jot and tittle, to the hour and day.


Feel free to post ten of the predictions professed, to the hour predicted, and the day predicted. To the jot, obviously.


I think it might be more eye-opening if he just posts the bible passages containing the prophetic prediction with no extra explanation about what he thinks has been fulfilled, then we can all try and work out what event each propechy is predicting. After all, these prophecies are precise and to the hour so we should all be able to work out what they reference very quickly right?


Now that you post that, I wonder if he might have been less than truthful. Was I wrong to ask for less than 0.05% of the completely accurate to the date and hour prophecies?
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby universalchiro on Fri May 31, 2013 11:27 am

CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.



There are over 2,000 fulfilled prophesies in the Bible that writers wrote that specific event would occur before it actually occur. This is beyond human ability. Something or someone had to inform them. For example: Daniel wrote a prophecy that Jesus the Messiah would enter Jerusalem 483 Jewish years after the decree to re-build Jerusalem and the Temple walls.
The Prophecy ... Book of Daniel 9:24-25 (written around 600 BC)
"He (Messiah ... the King) will be revealed 7 weeks + 62 weeks ( = 69 weeks of years) AFTER the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem and its walls, THEN He (Messiah) will be CUT-OFF (executed!) but NOT for Himself." (He willingly died on the Cross as the sacrificial "Lamb of God".) (Daniel 9:24-25)
This is a mathematical prophecy . . . - A week of years (shabua or shabu’im) = 7 years .. - "Cut-off". . . the actual Hebrew word used was karath, literally means "executed!" - The "70th Week" (the last 7 years) of this prophecy is yet future ... the coming "Apocalypse." written about in the book of Revelation.

This prophecy of the coming Messiah is both remarkable and extremely precise. On March 14th, 445 BC, as confirmed by modern archaeology, King Artexerxes I of Persia issued the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem and specifically included its wall (see Nehemiah 2:2-9 ... the book of Nehemiah records this account of rebuilding the city and its wall.)

In addition to this specific prophecy, in another book, by another writer, Zechariah wrote of this event "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion (Israel)! Behold, your King (Messiah) is coming to you; He is just and having salvation, yet He is lowly and riding on a donkey." (Zechariah 9:9 ... was written around 500 B.C., approximately 530 years fulfillment)

Thus, on the 10th day of Nisan ("Palm Sunday") 32 AD ... 483 Solar-Lunar years after the command was given to rebuild the city and its wall ... Jesus (Yeshua) made His famous "triumphal entry" into Jerusalem, riding on a donkey. It was the only day that He ever allowed Himself to be honored as Messiah or King (Mark 11:1-12) as the people of Israel cried out and sang "Hosanna to the Son of David (this is a Psalm of the Messiah), blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!" from Psalm 118 ... (and all this took place just a few days before He was "executed" exactly as Daniel's prophecy said He would!)
We celebrate this day today as Palm Sunday. Which was only 5 days before His death on the cross (Good Friday) and resurrection Sunday (this is our Holy Passover, more known by the pagan holiday name easter a derivative of Ishtar from Queen of Babyon).
This was only 1 of 2,000+ ...
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby universalchiro on Fri May 31, 2013 12:20 pm

CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.


To the second:

Jesus while in Bethany, instructs two of his disciples to "go to ahead to the village ahead of you; there, as you enter, you will find a colt tied on which no one yet has ever sat; untie it and bring it here. If anyone asks you, Why are you untying it? you shall say, the Lord has need of it". So those who were sent went away and found it just as He had told them. As they were untying the colt, its owners said to them, "Why are you untying the colt?". They said, The Lord has need of it. They brought it to Jesus, and they threw their coats on the colt and put Jesus on it. As He was going, they were spreading their coats on the road. As soon as He was approaching, near the descent of the Mount of Olives, the whole crowd of the disciples began to praise God joyfully with a loud voice for all the miracles which they had seen, Shouting:
"Blessed is the King who comes in the name of the Lord; Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!"
Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Him, "Teacher, rebuke Your disciples". But Jesus answered, "I tell you, if these become silent, the stones will cry out!" When He approached Jerusalem, He saw the city and wept over it, saying, "If you had known in this day, even you, the things which make for peace! But now they have been hidden from your eyes. For the days will come upon you when your enemies will throw up a barricade against you, and surround you and hem you in on every side, and they will level you to the ground and your children within you, and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation". Luke 19:30-44

This is to fulfill Daniel, Isaiah, Zachariah (foretelling of this event 600+ years ahead of time) If the disciples were a tad late, someone else rides the colt that no one has ever ridden. Everything was and is under the sovereign control of God, nothing occurs outside His time-line, not even a second. Why? God is the creator of time on the 4th day of creation.

The example can continue, but why? you want your god, that you came from rock, that you are not responsible for your sins to God. I'm fine with your belief. just be honest with yourself that evolution is faith based and nigh observable. Because your eternal soul depends on your response to what God has been telling you.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby AndyDufresne on Fri May 31, 2013 12:30 pm

universalchiro wrote: you want your god, that you came from rock,


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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby chang50 on Fri May 31, 2013 5:59 pm

universalchiro wrote:
chang50 wrote:
universalchiro wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.


Nuclear Physicist Dr. Robert Gentry, has discovered 1,000's of Polonium radio halos in granite rock in a primordial state in 5 continents.

What does this mean? Let me lay a foundation to be better able to see the meaning.

According to Evolution theory in the beginning of the earth was in a very hot condition, and rock was in a molten state that took millions upon millions of years to cool. Now hold that thought and let's add other foundational material.


According to whom?If you are going to make wild claims of this type at least back them up with a source.If you are referring to the theory of evolution,it has precisely zero to say about the earth's origins or early temperture or geological condition.I can't be the only one to have noticed a pattern developing in your posts of carelessly throwing out unsubstantiated or unfounded assertions willy nilly.


You don't even know your own religion!! You are hilarious. I state your own believed facts, but you don't even know what you believe.

http://www.factmonster.com/dk/encyclope ... earth.html
HOW WAS EARTH FORMED?

The Sun began to form around 5 billion years ago out of a cloud of whirling dust and gas in space. As it formed, the Sun’s gravity gradually pulled the dust and gas into lumps, which became the planets. At first, Earth was a ball of molten rock. Its surface rock slowly began to cool and harden around 4 billion years ago.

Table 16. EARTH’S FORMATION
5.0 billion years ago The solar system begins to form from gas and dust swirling in space.
4.6 billion years ago Earth begins to form as a ball of molten rock.
4.5 billion years ago Volcanoes erupt gas and steam to form the oceans, and molten rock.
4.2 billion years ago Earth’s surface cools and the hard outer crust forms.
3.6 billion years ago The first continents form; life begins on Earth.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Earth
Earth formed around 4.54 billion (4.54×109) years ago by accretion from the solar nebula. Volcanic outgassing likely created the primordial atmosphere, but it contained almost no oxygen and would have been toxic to humans and most modern life. Much of the Earth was molten because of extreme volcanism and frequent collisions with other bodies. One very large collision is thought to have been responsible for tilting the Earth at an angle and forming the Moon. Over time, the planet cooled and formed a solid crust, allowing liquid water to exist on the surface

change50, get it together, you don't even know what evolution hypothesis is. I quote your own jargon and you say it's a straw man argument, because you don't know what you believe... That's the pattern emerging. You guys are clueless to how your beliefs are faith based, nigh observable, nigh measurable. Purely conjectures from a bias position...

EVOLUTION IS HOKUM...


WTF has the formation of the earth to do with the theory of evolution?You are way out on a limb here pal...
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:21 pm

universalchiro wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.


To the second:

Jesus while in Bethany, instructs two of his disciples to "go to ahead to the village ahead of you; there, as you enter, you will find a colt tied on which no one yet has ever sat; untie it and bring it here. If anyone asks you, Why are you untying it? you shall say, the Lord has need of it". So those who were sent went away and found it just as He had told them. As they were untying the colt, its owners said to them, "Why are you untying the colt?". They said, The Lord has need of it. They brought it to Jesus, and they threw their coats on the colt and put Jesus on it. As He was going, they were spreading their coats on the road. As soon as He was approaching, near the descent of the Mount of Olives, the whole crowd of the disciples began to praise God joyfully with a loud voice for all the miracles which they had seen, Shouting:
"Blessed is the King who comes in the name of the Lord; Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!"


Apparently, Jesus was a horse thief. That's quite the human messenger you worship. Did the rocks cry when they saw the head honcho of that criminal organization coming down the street?
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby waauw on Sat Jun 01, 2013 1:31 pm

crispybits wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
universalchiro wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.

The Bible has over 2,000+ prophecies that have been fulfilled to the jot and tittle, to the hour and day.


Feel free to post ten of the predictions professed, to the hour predicted, and the day predicted. To the jot, obviously.


I think it might be more eye-opening if he just posts the bible passages containing the prophetic prediction with no extra explanation about what he thinks has been fulfilled, then we can all try and work out what event each propechy is predicting. After all, these prophecies are precise and to the hour so we should all be able to work out what they reference very quickly right?


Funny thing is, it doesn't matter what passage he posts. If he can't prove the prophecy was made before the actual happening, then the prophecy itself has barely any credibility. Then it might as well have been people writing a so-called prophecy down after it already happened and claiming they predicted it :|
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby waauw on Sat Jun 01, 2013 1:44 pm

universalchiro wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.


To the second:

Jesus while in Bethany, instructs two of his disciples to "go to ahead to the village ahead of you; there, as you enter, you will find a colt tied on which no one yet has ever sat; untie it and bring it here. If anyone asks you, Why are you untying it? you shall say, the Lord has need of it". So those who were sent went away and found it just as He had told them. As they were untying the colt, its owners said to them, "Why are you untying the colt?". They said, The Lord has need of it. They brought it to Jesus, and they threw their coats on the colt and put Jesus on it. As He was going, they were spreading their coats on the road. As soon as He was approaching, near the descent of the Mount of Olives, the whole crowd of the disciples began to praise God joyfully with a loud voice for all the miracles which they had seen, Shouting:
"Blessed is the King who comes in the name of the Lord; Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!"
Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Him, "Teacher, rebuke Your disciples". But Jesus answered, "I tell you, if these become silent, the stones will cry out!" When He approached Jerusalem, He saw the city and wept over it, saying, "If you had known in this day, even you, the things which make for peace! But now they have been hidden from your eyes. For the days will come upon you when your enemies will throw up a barricade against you, and surround you and hem you in on every side, and they will level you to the ground and your children within you, and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation". Luke 19:30-44

This is to fulfill Daniel, Isaiah, Zachariah (foretelling of this event 600+ years ahead of time) If the disciples were a tad late, someone else rides the colt that no one has ever ridden. Everything was and is under the sovereign control of God, nothing occurs outside His time-line, not even a second. Why? God is the creator of time on the 4th day of creation.

The example can continue, but why? you want your god, that you came from rock, that you are not responsible for your sins to God. I'm fine with your belief. just be honest with yourself that evolution is faith based and nigh observable. Because your eternal soul depends on your response to what God has been telling you.


example of a contradiction and false prophecy(according to your own Bible):

Genesis 2:16-17
And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

Genesis 3:6
When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

Genesis 5:5
Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.

==>So basically you God said that Adam would die if he ate an appel from the tree of knowledge. Adam ate one and he did not die, but lived for 930 years :lol:
Some prophecies you got there.
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