Russian peacekeeping forces enter Ukraine

[saxitoxin]

LMAO - headline on Deutsche Welle a few moments ago --

Ukraine demands 'immediate' cease-fire
Ukraine says it wants an immediate ceasefire and Russia's withdrawal of troops as talks resume. A top negotiator said only then could regional relations and political differences be discussed.
https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-demands-i ... a-61113558

What reality do these people live in? Ukraine is Black Knighting this war.

[jusplay4fun]

LMAO - headline on Deutsche Welle a few moments ago --

Ukraine demands 'immediate' cease-fire
Ukraine says it wants an immediate ceasefire and Russia's withdrawal of troops as talks resume. A top negotiator said only then could regional relations and political differences be discussed.
https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-demands-i ... a-61113558

What reality do these people live in? Ukraine is Black Knighting this war.

LoL..... I love that saxi LOVES to quote me.

remember, I called him:

saxi, the Russian Troll and thus the supporter of the Butcher of Ukraine

It appears that again saxi endorses my statement. COOL..! ....'nuff said.

[jusplay4fun]

Zelenskyy urges Ukraine no-fly zone in Canada parliament address
Ukrainian president gets multiple standing ovations in Canada’s parliament as he calls for more international support.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/15/zelenskyy-urges-ukraine-no-fly-zone-in-canada-parliament-address

......Zelenskyy, who received multiple standing ovations from Canadian lawmakers.

(...)

In recent weeks, the Ukrainian president has spoken to legislators in the European and British parliaments, and he is expected to deliver a virtual address to the US Congress on Wednesday.

AND:
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/sanctions-savaged-russia-teeters-brink-010904138.html

Sanctions-savaged Russia teeters on brink of historic default

Marc Jones
Tue, March 15, 2022, 9:09 PM
By Marc Jones

LONDON (Reuters) - The economic cost of Russia's assault on Ukraine was fully exposed on Wednesday as Vladimir Putin's sanctions-ravaged government teetered on the brink of its first international debt default since the Bolshevik revolution.

Moscow was due to pay $117 million in interest on two dollar-denominated sovereign bonds it had sold back in 2013. But the limits it now faces making payments, and talk from the Kremlin that it might pay in roubles - triggering a default anyway - meant even veteran investors were left guessing at what might happen.

One described it as the most closely watched government debt payment since Greece's default at the height of the euro zone crisis. Others said an emergency 'grace period' that allows Russia another 30 days to make the payment could drag the saga out.

[Qwert]

I think that soon these war will be slowly move out of interest of west, and will be same like syrian civil war or like Afghanistan US debacle withdraw . i mean no one in US talk about 100 US citizens left in Afghanistan or how many SIV left behind . Its look that they are not anymore interesting for US audience .

[HitRed]

Love the Europe 1914 map

I have run a lot of numbers on the map. Placing 6 on England was unique.

[bigtoughralf]

I think that soon these war will be slowly move out of interest of west, and will be same like syrian civil war or like Afghanistan US debacle withdraw . i mean no one in US talk about 100 US citizens left in Afghanistan or how many SIV left behind . Its look that they are not anymore interesting for US audience .

Wars in shithole countries are just another TV channel alongside WWE and Cartoon Network, Americans can only watch it for about 30 minutes before getting bored and getting out their phones.

[ConfederateSS]

I think that soon these war will be slowly move out of interest of west, and will be same like syrian civil war or like Afghanistan US debacle withdraw . i mean no one in US talk about 100 US citizens left in Afghanistan or how many SIV left behind . Its look that they are not anymore interesting for US audience .

Wars in shithole countries are just another TV channel alongside WWE and Cartoon Network, Americans can only watch it for about 30 minutes before getting bored and getting out their phones.

------ ....Why do you think the Movies of today suck....Not just because there are no more quality actors or actresses, most everything is done by computers, backgrounds etc....But most of all... Americans need explosions , sex , etc... Every 5 seconds...Americans have super low attention spans....They can't follow a plot line....Take A Basil Rathbone Sherlock Holmes movie....So KOOL ...Now a Robert Downey Jr. Sherlock Holmes movie... Americans need sex, Explosions to get through the movie... ....Sad... .... That's just the tip of the iceberg...Most Americans couldn't find Europe on a map... America for that matter......
-------------So, one good thing about the war... Americans knowledge of European Geography will jump a few points thanks to Social Media...But on a globe or a map, map, they still would be confused...Thanks American public school systems and teachers unions...But at least the kids will know where the 3rd bathrooms are......... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[saxitoxin]

Sanctions-savaged Russia teeters on brink of historic default

Russia's de-dollarization drive more than symbolic

With the US imposing sanctions on other countries at the drop of a hat, in order to demand its pound of flesh, more and more countries are coming together to issue joint de-dollarization policies. Since about 10 percent of the countries and one quarter of the global population are suffering because of US sanctions, the de-dollarization trend is intensifying across the world.

https://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/2022 ... 88834.html

When the U.S. imposed the current round of sanctions on Russia and Belarus it set-off a financial nuclear bomb that can only be used once. Every country in the world at future risk of this --- China, Burma, India, Pakistan, every Arab nation --- will be rapidly dumping dollarized trade over the next 12-24 months. Once the world is dedollarized, the U.S. economy implodes ... permanently. The U.S. can only pay its debts and run its deficits if it controls the global currency market. Once it loses that, it loses everything. The next few decades will be difficult for the U.S. and any country closely linked to it (Canada, Australia, UK, NZ).

[ConfederateSS]

Sanctions-savaged Russia teeters on brink of historic default

Russia's de-dollarization drive more than symbolic

With the US imposing sanctions on other countries at the drop of a hat, in order to demand its pound of flesh, more and more countries are coming together to issue joint de-dollarization policies. Since about 10 percent of the countries and one quarter of the global population are suffering because of US sanctions, the de-dollarization trend is intensifying across the world.

https://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/2022 ... 88834.html

When the U.S. imposed the current round of sanctions on Russia and Belarus it set-off a financial nuclear bomb that can only be used once. Every country in the world at future risk of this --- China, Burma, India, Pakistan, every Arab nation --- will be rapidly dumping dollarized trade over the next 12-24 months. Once the world is dedollarized, the U.S. economy implodes ... permanently. The U.S. can only pay its debts and run its deficits if it controls the global currency market. Once it loses that, it loses everything. The next few decades will be difficult for the U.S. and any country closely linked to it (Canada, Australia, UK, NZ).

------------Outside side of the fact ...The Crack head Yellen gave China 40 billon...Russia 17 billion...Iran 5 billion...In I guess The IFC... where Russia can still go to...Get money in pesos, Yen , any currency Russia wants upto 17 billion America Dollars worth...
------------That aside....The U.S. Dollar/Federal Reserve is made up of...8 banks...As I remember, It could be worse...But what I remember is...We only own 4/8ths of a U.S. Dollar Bill...The other 4 / 8 ths are owned by 4 foreign countries...I think, Japan, Germany, China, I want to say Saudi Arabia...But like I said it might be worse now...The number of Foreign Countries owning the 8 Banks of The Federal Reserve...Could have jumped from 4...to 5,6,... Making our money even more worthless, than a Russian Ruble under Sanctions...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ....Hell, the Japanese bombed Hawaii, now they own just about the whole State of Hawaii, money, Business wise.......Alot of The farmland in Mainland USA...Good Thing America Won WW2....

[saxitoxin]

LOL - check out this guy ...

JOURNALIST: Is there potential for sanctions on China for its silence?

PRIME MINISTER: Well, we will move in lockstep with our partners and allies on these issues, and the United States has made some very clear statements about this and we support those statements. We support those statements and we support them because we think it's important that the whole world comes together to put an end to this terrible violence and aggression by Russia in Ukraine. There is no there is no equivalence, as China has seemed to have present between the claims of Ukraine and Russia. There is no equivalence. The rest of the world is not gone anywhere to suggest that. And I have been concerned that there has been some implicit support that has been there for the claims of Russia in Ukraine by China. I don't agree with that. Australia doesn't agree with that. Our partners and allies and liberal democracies around the world and Europe and other places in North America do not agree with that. And so I think it's very important for China to be very transparent about what is their relationship with Russia, what is their relationship with Russia when it comes to throwing them an economic lifeline during this global crisis? And potentially what, if any, support has been discussed for military support for Russia? Because that would be an abomination.

https://www.pm.gov.au/media/doorstop-burswood-wa

Australia - population 20 million - thinks it can sanction China - population 1.3 billion.

Australia thinks it can sanction the country to which it exports 37% of its goods.

Is Scott Morrison stupid or suicidal?

[saxitoxin]

Leadership is relocating from Moscow to Kosvinsky Rock. Biden's sheer incompetence is about to get the world vaporized. Maybe the Democrats think trading the Earth for no more mean tweets from Trump was a good bargain.

[Qwert]

I think that soon these war will be slowly move out of interest of west, and will be same like syrian civil war or like Afghanistan US debacle withdraw . i mean no one in US talk about 100 US citizens left in Afghanistan or how many SIV left behind . Its look that they are not anymore interesting for US audience .

Wars in shithole countries are just another TV channel alongside WWE and Cartoon Network, Americans can only watch it for about 30 minutes before getting bored and getting out their phones.

------ ....Why do you think the Movies of today suck....Not just because there are no more quality actors or actresses, most everything is done by computers, backgrounds etc....But most of all... Americans need explosions , sex , etc... Every 5 seconds...Americans have super low attention spans....They can't follow a plot line....Take A Basil Rathbone Sherlock Holmes movie....So KOOL ...Now a Robert Downey Jr. Sherlock Holmes movie... Americans need sex, Explosions to get through the movie... ....Sad... .... That's just the tip of the iceberg...Most Americans couldn't find Europe on a map... America for that matter......
-------------So, one good thing about the war... Americans knowledge of European Geography will jump a few points thanks to Social Media...But on a globe or a map, map, they still would be confused...Thanks American public school systems and teachers unions...But at least the kids will know where the 3rd bathrooms are......... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

I could bet that half of US population dont even heard of Ukraine or dont give a F for war. Usualy some internal economic crises these wars come like cover up, to turn attention of citizens from all problems what you have in US or West Europe, and somehow all things what happening far away are much more important then your quality of life in your country.
Other thing what im notice its how now suddenly Ukraine become very important country for US and Eu? All these years from independence Ukraine struggle economically and its one off poorest countries and corrupted in Europe. And all these years Ukraine dont get Bilions and Bilions economical support for they economy to grow, and now US and EU remember that Ukraine exist and start to send Bilions and BIlions but not economical support ,but military support and again ordinary people will get shit .
When these war over and start of rebuild of country begin ordinary Ukrainian people will see that BIG LOVE From EU and US are FAKE and in the end Ukraine will only get Credits and jobs to rebuild Ukraine will get US and EU companies,, history repeating its happened in Iraq and Afghanistan to.

[jusplay4fun]

I think someone forgot the Marshall Plan. Oh, that's right, Serbia was taken over BY RUSSIAN troops. You did not get American aid, and neither did Ukraine.

How did THAT work out for Serbia? Empty shelves and Yu-(DON't)-go-s to drive? well done, well done....

How did West Germany do? Did they do OKAY after the WAR?? gee, I D K...!

No wonder you're jealous.

[saxitoxin]

I think somewhat forgot the Marshall Plan. Oh, that's right, Serbia was taken over BY RUSSIAN troops. You did not get American aid, and neither did Ukraine.

How did THAT work out for Serbia? Empty shelves and Yu-(DON't)-go-s to drive? well done, well done....

How did West Germany do? Did they do OKAY after the WAR?? gee, I D K...!

No wonder you're jealous.

Yugoslavia was neutral; not a Warsaw Pact member

[Qwert]

I think somewhat forgot the Marshall Plan. Oh, that's right, Serbia was taken over BY RUSSIAN troops. You did not get American aid, and neither did Ukraine.

How did THAT work out for Serbia? Empty shelves and Yu-(DON't)-go-s to drive? well done, well done....

How did West Germany do? Did they do OKAY after the WAR?? gee, I D K...!

No wonder you're jealous.

SFRY was creator of nonaligment organisation, after WWII Stalin try to include Yugoslavia into Warsaw PAct, but MArsal Tito say to hem NO!

Like all americans you dont realy care about history of other nation and countries , other wise you will read history of SFRY before posting.
But you are right ,after these war its over Ukraine will get nothing from US, they will stay poor like they are all time from independence.

[saxitoxin]

Russia has issued surrender terms to Ukraine:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=237684&p=5243561#p5243561

[jusplay4fun]

I need not say any more on this point, and saxi agrees with me, AGAIN.

JP4F wrote:
saxi, the Russian Troll and thus the supporter of the Butcher of Ukraine

[jusplay4fun]

I think somewhat forgot the Marshall Plan. Oh, that's right, Serbia was taken over BY RUSSIAN troops. You did not get American aid, and neither did Ukraine.

How did THAT work out for Serbia? Empty shelves and Yu-(DON't)-go-s to drive? well done, well done....

How did West Germany do? Did they do OKAY after the WAR?? gee, I D K...!

No wonder you're jealous.

SFRY was creator of nonaligment organisation, after WWII Stalin try to include Yugoslavia into Warsaw PAct, but MArsal Tito say to hem NO!

Like all americans you dont realy care about history of other nation and countries , other wise you will read history of SFRY before posting.
But you are right ,after these war its over Ukraine will get nothing from US, they will stay poor like they are all time from independence.

I know enough about history to post facts and well-based and well-informed opinions. I need not know every language or all the specific historical points of every nation to understand the "Big Picture" of world geo-politics. Nothing I said was incorrect with regards to Yugoslavia (or SFRY, as you want to refer to that former nation). SFRY, or simply Yugoslavia, was a conglomeration of many ethnic groups who were joined together by Marshall Tito and in the opposition to Hitler (and actual real Nazis under Hitler). The break-up of SFRY began to occur shortly after the death of Tito.

Just to make Qwert happy, I read some history of Yugoslavia. I will quote a portion here:

Dissolution and war
Main articles: Breakup of Yugoslavia and Yugoslav Wars
Tensions between the republics and nations of Yugoslavia intensified from the 1970s to the 1980s. The causes for the collapse of the country have been associated with nationalism, ethnic conflict, economic difficulty, frustration with government bureaucracy, the influence of important figures in the country, and international politics. Ideology and particularly nationalism has been seen by many as the primary source of the break up of Yugoslavia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist ... Yugoslavia

Qwert has yet to tell me what I failed to grasp to understand what is going on. I see no need for the USA to give any additional money to any former Yugoslavian group or ethnicity. The USA led a coalition to stop the killing and episodes of ethnic cleansing attempted by the dominant political entities. Again, I assert that Qwert is jealous that Serbia gets no significant USA money and no more world attention. PERIOD.

Now, back to the main issue in this thread, the UNJUSTIFIED and BRUTAL invasion of Ukraine by the killers of innocent civilians in that nation by Russian thugs, led by the criminal and despot pukin' putin. The actions of some Russian soldiers offer further proof of the unjust invasion of Ukraine.

Russian troops in Ukraine are surrendering, sabotaging their own vehicles, Pentagon officials say
PETER WEBER

Russia's halting progress in its invasion of Ukraine has puzzled Western observers and analysts, but a senior Pentagon official told The New York Times on Tuesday that Russia's forces, plagued by low morale and food and fuel shortages, have suffered mass surrenders and self-sabotage by conscripts who "deliberately punched holes in their vehicles' gas tanks, presumably to avoid combat."

The Economist's Shashank Josh said a Pentagon source told him "with certainty" that Russians are sabotaging their own military vehicles.

U.S. and European officials said this mix of logistical failures and internal vandalism might explain why a 40-mile convoy of Russian military vehicles from Belarus has slowed to a crawl some 20 miles north of Kyiv, making it a target for Ukraine's armed forces, the Times reports. Other officials explain Russia's slow process by pointing to to stiffer-than-expected resistance from the Ukrainian forces and their surprisingly effective air defense, or suggest Russian commanders are just regrouping and calibrating their strategy.

https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1010801/russian-troops-in-ukraine-are-surrendering-sabotaging-their-own

Some Russian troops are surrendering to Ukrainian forces without a fight as morale drops, US defense official says
Some Russian troops have been surrendering to Ukrainian forces "without a fight" as morale drops amid Russian President Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine, a US senior defense official told reporters in a briefing on Tuesday.

The US official said that there has been evidence "of a certain risk averse behavior by the Russian military," in the last six days since Russia launched its attack on the eastern European country, CNN reported.

"You've seen it on the ground, where units are surrendering, sometimes without a fight," the official said, according to the news outlet.

The official said that many among Russia's military are young draftees who have never faced combat.

https://www.businessinsider.com/some-ru ... ays-2022-3

[saxitoxin]

The Uke foreign ministry just shared photos of Donbasi civilians slaughtered by the Uke Army and claimed they were Ukes killed by Russians - and they're getting called out on it big time --

https://twitter.com/MFA_Ukraine/status/ ... 1845373954

Are all Nazis this dumb?

[jusplay4fun]

Nothing new: more lies by saxi the troll. Keep jumping, but jump higher so you can open the door.

[Qwert]

...............jusplay4fun
Nothing I said was incorrect with regards to Yugoslavia (or SFRY, as you want to refer to that former nation)..................
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
jusplay4fun wrote:
I think somewhat forgot the Marshall Plan. Oh, that's right, Serbia was taken over BY RUSSIAN troops. You did not get American aid, and neither did Ukraine.

How did THAT work out for Serbia? Empty shelves and Yu-(DON't)-go-s to drive? well done, well done....

How did West Germany do? Did they do OKAY after the WAR?? gee, I D K...!

No wonder you're jealous....................
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SFRY or Yugoslavia or Serbia never was occupy by Russian troops or USSR troops.
You compare West Germany with who?? You say you are right and read history but again you write something what its not true facts.
Ottomans, Austro-hungarians, Third Reich -they invade and occupy Serbia---USSR or Russia never occupy ,, but maybe you know something what i dont?

[jimboston]

...............jusplay4fun
Nothing I said was incorrect with regards to Yugoslavia (or SFRY, as you want to refer to that former nation)..................
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
jusplay4fun wrote:
I think somewhat forgot the Marshall Plan. Oh, that's right, Serbia was taken over BY RUSSIAN troops. You did not get American aid, and neither did Ukraine.

How did THAT work out for Serbia? Empty shelves and Yu-(DON't)-go-s to drive? well done, well done....

How did West Germany do? Did they do OKAY after the WAR?? gee, I D K...!

No wonder you're jealous....................
=====================================
SFRY or Yugoslavia or Serbia never was occupy by Russian troops or USSR troops.
You compare West Germany with who?? You say you are right and read history but again you write something what its not true facts.
Ottomans, Austro-hungarians, Third Reich -they invade and occupy Serbia---USSR or Russia never occupy ,, but maybe you know something what i dont?

USSR never occupied Yugoslavia… but Yugoslavia was still a puppet state in the orbit of Moscow.

You can pretend that’s not true, but you’d be wrong.

[saxitoxin]

...............jusplay4fun
Nothing I said was incorrect with regards to Yugoslavia (or SFRY, as you want to refer to that former nation)..................
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
jusplay4fun wrote:
I think somewhat forgot the Marshall Plan. Oh, that's right, Serbia was taken over BY RUSSIAN troops. You did not get American aid, and neither did Ukraine.

How did THAT work out for Serbia? Empty shelves and Yu-(DON't)-go-s to drive? well done, well done....

How did West Germany do? Did they do OKAY after the WAR?? gee, I D K...!

No wonder you're jealous....................
=====================================
SFRY or Yugoslavia or Serbia never was occupy by Russian troops or USSR troops.
You compare West Germany with who?? You say you are right and read history but again you write something what its not true facts.
Ottomans, Austro-hungarians, Third Reich -they invade and occupy Serbia---USSR or Russia never occupy ,, but maybe you know something what i dont?

USSR never occupied Yugoslavia… but Yugoslavia was still a puppet state in the orbit of Moscow.

You can pretend that’s not true, but you’d be wrong.

He would not.

Yugoslavia, Albania and (to a lesser degree) Romania were all non-satellite socialist states. Yugoslavia was even in an anti Soviet military alliance with Greece and Turkey until 1960 and would potentially have ended up fighting on NATO's side if there were a war on Europe.

[Qwert]

...............jusplay4fun
Nothing I said was incorrect with regards to Yugoslavia (or SFRY, as you want to refer to that former nation)..................
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
jusplay4fun wrote:
I think somewhat forgot the Marshall Plan. Oh, that's right, Serbia was taken over BY RUSSIAN troops. You did not get American aid, and neither did Ukraine.

How did THAT work out for Serbia? Empty shelves and Yu-(DON't)-go-s to drive? well done, well done....

How did West Germany do? Did they do OKAY after the WAR?? gee, I D K...!

No wonder you're jealous....................
=====================================
SFRY or Yugoslavia or Serbia never was occupy by Russian troops or USSR troops.
You compare West Germany with who?? You say you are right and read history but again you write something what its not true facts.
Ottomans, Austro-hungarians, Third Reich -they invade and occupy Serbia---USSR or Russia never occupy ,, but maybe you know something what i dont?

USSR never occupied Yugoslavia… but Yugoslavia was still a puppet state in the orbit of Moscow.

You can pretend that’s not true, but you’d be wrong.

Sure sure, even Russia not prevent Sanction against Serbia, dont want to use veto power in UN against Serbia, dont support Serbia when NAto attack Serbia,,, and still we are puppet state???? when we became puppet state of Russia???

[jimboston]

...............jusplay4fun
Nothing I said was incorrect with regards to Yugoslavia (or SFRY, as you want to refer to that former nation)..................
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
jusplay4fun wrote:
I think somewhat forgot the Marshall Plan. Oh, that's right, Serbia was taken over BY RUSSIAN troops. You did not get American aid, and neither did Ukraine.

How did THAT work out for Serbia? Empty shelves and Yu-(DON't)-go-s to drive? well done, well done....

How did West Germany do? Did they do OKAY after the WAR?? gee, I D K...!

No wonder you're jealous....................
=====================================
SFRY or Yugoslavia or Serbia never was occupy by Russian troops or USSR troops.
You compare West Germany with who?? You say you are right and read history but again you write something what its not true facts.
Ottomans, Austro-hungarians, Third Reich -they invade and occupy Serbia---USSR or Russia never occupy ,, but maybe you know something what i dont?

USSR never occupied Yugoslavia… but Yugoslavia was still a puppet state in the orbit of Moscow.

You can pretend that’s not true, but you’d be wrong.

Sure sure, even Russia not prevent Sanction against Serbia, dont want to use veto power in UN against Serbia, dont support Serbia when NAto attack Serbia,,, and still we are puppet state???? when we became puppet state of Russia???

When the war happened Russian was in no place interfere… and was trying to figure out its’ own place in the world.

The hope was Russian (Post USSR) would face west next modernize/liberalize… but Putin put the breaks on that shit.

At the tiem however he was in no position… politically or monetarily… to oppose NATO.