Terminator Mafia Game Thread Mafia Win!

[Army of GOD]

I would rather no lynch day one as well due to lack of information and possibility of lynching town members, but I got lynched last game for doing so. So, I have to agree. Vote AoG for wanting no lynch.
Last night I played a real-life game similar to Mafia and the mafia usually won because whenever they were accused they were good liars and their teammates backed them up and they got out of being lynched. I think AoG's logic is an excuse for no lynch.

What the Hell does this even mean?

"I agree with no lynch but since I was killed last game I'm going to vote you"

[DoomYoshi]

Shield Generator is saying he is going to play to the metagame. Last game he was lynched for suggesting no lynch, and now he wants revenge.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

Rodion(1)- tails
DoomYoshi(2)- MeDeFe, blakebowling
Tails(1)- Vio
00icon(1)- jeraado
AoG(5)- Rodion, 00icon, naxus, DoomYoshi, shieldgenerator7
No Lynch(1)- AoG

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline in 4 Days.

@ VioIet, I know the deadline isn't long, but Day 1 is pretty much bandwagoning until something happens, and in the interest of getting the game going and preventing a massclaim from happening, I probably will have a Day 1 deadline from now on in my games.

[Rodion]

Vote Count

Rodion(1)- tails
DoomYoshi(2)- MeDeFe, blakebowling
MeDeFe(1)- Rodion
Tails(1)- Vio
00icon(1)- jeraado
AoG(5)- Rodion, 00icon, naxus, DoomYoshi, shieldgenerator7
No Lynch(1)- AoG

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline in 4 Days.

@ VioIet, I know the deadline isn't long, but Day 1 is pretty much bandwagoning until something happens, and in the interest of getting the game going and preventing a massclaim from happening, I probably will have a Day 1 deadline from now on in my games.

You have me voting on 2 different people there.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

Rodion(1)- tails
DoomYoshi(2)- MeDeFe, blakebowling
MeDeFe(1)- Rodion
Tails(1)- Vio
00icon(1)- jeraado
AoG(5)- Rodion, 00icon, naxus, DoomYoshi, shieldgenerator7
No Lynch(1)- AoG

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline in 4 Days.

@ VioIet, I know the deadline isn't long, but Day 1 is pretty much bandwagoning until something happens, and in the interest of getting the game going and preventing a massclaim from happening, I probably will have a Day 1 deadline from now on in my games.

You have me voting on 2 different people there.

Fixed

[blakebowling]

Unvote, Vote AoG Someone's got to die, might as well be you.
Also, this puts AoG at L-1 For those not counting.

[DoomYoshi]

Oh, you guys!

Ok, here is my logic. It's more than likely that there is more town than mafia in this game. The chances of lynching a townie day 1 are very high. If everyone bandwagons and kills a townie (like me, for example), then we STILL have absolutely nothing to go on for day 2. Yea, we could get lucky and kill a mafier member, but there pretty much the same chance that we lynch a pro-town power role.

No matter what this game is going to rely on power roles. If we roll dice and try to guess which members are mafia by lynching randomly then we are fucked.

I think we knew your logic to begin with, we just don't agree with it. In an unknown setup, a no lynch day 1 is like pawn to g3 first turn move... not a lot of productivity. However, you are fixed in your school of thought and some of us are fixed in ours. Perhaps you can suggest a better candidate for a first day lynch?

[Army of GOD]

Well congrats guys. One more vote and you do exactly what I said you were going to do.

Role claim:

John Connor (from T2), vanilla townie

And no DY, I can't think of a better person to lynch, because you guys are literally going off nothing. Let's say you lynch me. What fucking leads do you have after that? All you know is that I'm a townie...nothing more. This is why I want first day no lynches, because it is literally a crap-shoot.

[blakebowling]

The only counter point I can see is; If we lynch you, we know we're not lynching the cop D1.

I'll still Unvote

[DoomYoshi]

The only counter point I can see is; If we lynch you, we know we're not lynching the cop D1.

I'll still Unvote

So you put AoG at L-1 just for him to roleclaim? That's pretty dastardly. unvote vote blake

[blakebowling]

The only counter point I can see is; If we lynch you, we know we're not lynching the cop D1.

I'll still Unvote

So you put AoG at L-1 just for him to roleclaim? That's pretty dastardly. unvote vote blake

No, I voted him because I thought his no-lynch was scummy. I un-voted because he claimed.

[Rodion]

I alread had FOS on blake and now he L-1ed AoG just to force a roleclaim. Scummy enough for me.

Unvote AoG.

Vote blakebowling.

[Army of GOD]

I think blake's mistake was just a n00b one (I haven't seen him play in any games before so I'm assuming we isn't the most well-seasoned veteran).

[blakebowling]

I've only played a few times before. Lynched D1. And killed N2. And the game I was mafia. So I really don't have that much experience.

I wasn't trying to kill AoG though, or force him to claim. It was just a vote.

[DoomYoshi]

While I disagree with AoG's reasoning - voting for a no lynch is not scummy. Everyone knows that it is a scumtell, so it ceases to work as one. (yes, yes saf that borders on WIFOM ) I put my vote on AoG in the hopes that it would be too attractive a lynch to turn down for the scum. I feel as though my plan has been spoiled by blake now, if that was a n00b mistake. I am still keeping my vote on you for now. Hopefully some new suspicious behaviour will divert the town's attention. Elsewise I will have to go back to the old standard of voting the least active player.

[jeraado]

The only counter point I can see is; If we lynch you, we know we're not lynching the cop D1.

I'll still Unvote

So you put AoG at L-1 just for him to roleclaim? That's pretty dastardly. unvote vote blake

No, I voted him because I thought his no-lynch was scummy. I un-voted because he claimed.

That's weird. You put him on l-1 for the claim. Fair enough. Then he claimed vanilla townie, which isn't exactly a strong claim in a 12-person game, and is unlikely to cause mafia to do a quick hammer. Then you unvoted him without any discussion of the claim. What caused you to be so certain that the claim was truthful, or what was your gambit in forcing the claim?

Normally I'd just FOS but with the short deadline it'll be a vote instead. vote blakebowling

[MeDeFe]

Putting someone at L-1 and then unvoting when they claim is not necessarily scummy, it mostly just slows things down and prevents an "Ooops, I accidentally hammered"-situation from occurring. Anyway.

I was going to unvote JokeVote but then DoomYoshi dropped these gems:

*snip* Relying on the cops really doesn't make sense since then the cops will have to claim day 2 anyway. We need some good old fashioned bandwagons to reveal stuff. In that case, I will put some pressure on. I don't think the AoG BW will reveal anything. His ornery attitude will cause him to drop scumtells like a bomb. So, let's see what this turns up I say:)

unvote vote AoG

On the surface it looks like solid enough reasoning, the cops can avoid revealing themselves, we get a vote pattern to analyse, but you "don't think the AoG BW will reveal anything"? And you still put your vote on him? What sort of weird reasoning is behind that? And why do you think nothing will be revealed? Because you know AoG is town, or is it because you think that it's more likely he's a townie and lynching a townie won't tell us anything? After the first two sentences I quoted your post looks more and more weird.

Then you follow up with this:

The only counter point I can see is; If we lynch you, we know we're not lynching the cop D1.

I'll still Unvote

So you put AoG at L-1 just for him to roleclaim? That's pretty dastardly. unvote vote blake

So you joining the BW and "putting some pressure on" although you "don't think it will reveal anything" is fine. But blakebowling putting the final pressure on and forcing a claim, which is what voting for someone is about, at least as much as it is about getting someone lynched, is dastardly and a person who does it deserves being voted for?

Your way of arguing is all over the place, it could be because you're new to the game (at least I think you are), but it could also be because you want to throw red herrings all over the place.

So, I maintain, vote Doom Yoshi

[blakebowling]

DoomYoshi, I'm not sure I understand your "plan" to lynch AoG.

Are you saying you're trying to protect power roles, or that you are trying to divert attention from scum?

[DoomYoshi]

@MeDeFe I misworded it there. I meant I don't think it will reveal anything about AoG. Since he tends to be a non-orthodox person anyway. Case in point: voting no lynch day 1.

@blakebowling The plan was to put the pressure on AoG, causing him to flip out and become a blazing scum meteor then pick up on the voting patterns to figure out who the real scum are. It would've worked if you did what you did knowing that there was a good chance of roleclaim. However, it has now failed.

[shieldgenerator7]

well I'm glad we're not lynching AoG if he's townie. But he could have just as easily made that role up.
Blake's 180 off AoG might have been a n00b mistake, but it may have also been a way to show he is not affiliated with AoG. If AoG and blake are both mafia (robots in this case), then blake would put AoG to L1, showing he is willing to have AoG lynched, then someone else casts the final lynching vote, and if AoG turns up scum, it makes blake look good for lynching him. But AoG roleclaimed vanilla townie, so blake, not seriously wanting to kill a teammate, acted like AoG's claim is truth, making everyone think AoG is really a towns person. So AoG could have claimed to throw us off, and blake's antics may have been just a stunt to get everyone's vote off AoG.

[MeDeFe]

@MeDeFe I misworded it there. I meant I don't think it will reveal anything about AoG. Since he tends to be a non-orthodox person anyway. Case in point: voting no lynch day 1.

I see. The fact that you chastise bb for putting pressure on AoG when you did the same thing yourself earlier and said that you did still remains.

@blakebowling The plan was to put the pressure on AoG, causing him to flip out and become a blazing scum meteor then pick up on the voting patterns to figure out who the real scum are. It would've worked if you did what you did knowing that there was a good chance of roleclaim. However, it has now failed.

So you wanted to make AoG a vote magnet and have him lynched. Great plan, bro. You do realize that if he had behaved as you predicted and gone completely haywire next to nothing could've been determined from the votes because being a "blazing scum meteor" as you put it gets people killed no matter what side they're on. As it is we have a claim and 6 people voting for a person who claims VT, that's better than 7 votes and a dead VT. Especially when considering that noone has counterclaimed John Connor from Terminator 2 in 14 hours. It's looking more and more likely that he's telling the truth there.
Sure, it might be a lucky fakeclaim and noone has that role, but that does not seem very likely.

[DoomYoshi]

If blake wasn't making n00b mistakes, his voting pattern exactly was what I was looking for. So it might not have been a great plan but it worked - sort of.

What we did was similar. I put a vote on AoG until a better target appeared - high pressure situations and voting patterns are the only information I have to go off of. Blake put him at L-1 which is cutting it so close that the only possible result was a roleclaim. The two actions are only superficially similar.

As it stands, I have no reason to change my vote. Whether or not a person is mafia has no bearing on whether or not they make mistakes.

[blakebowling]

I'm not sure why everyone is over analyzing my post. I voted for AoG because I thought him wanting a no lynch was scummy, and also I was lynched in my first game D1 for not voting anyone, and I figured voting him wouldn't be out of the ordinary. The reason I unvoted after the claim was I presumed if he fake claimed that someone would easily dispute (considering the names are all Terminator characters, so if he picked a fake one that someone else had, they would be able to counterclaim). Honestly I am still learning how to play mafia (Only been alive N2 in only one game so far), and I hope you don't loose this game by trying to find scum in a mistake.

[MeDeFe]

blake, so far I'd say you're doing better than DoomYoshi.

Blake put him at L-1 which is cutting it so close that the only possible result was a roleclaim.

Would you please tell me, in simple terms, why this is bad?

The point of any voting is to get a claim and then determine whether a lynch is in order or not. So what exactly did blake do that you think is scummy? I'm not getting it.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

Rodion(1)- tails
DoomYoshi(1)- MeDeFe
Tails(1)- Vio
AoG(3)- 00icon, naxus, shieldgenerator7
No Lynch(1)- AoG
blake(3)- Yoshi, Rodion, jeraado

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline in 3 Days.