CLUE Mafia- Mafia Win!!!! MVP- Rodion

by **Rodion** on Wed Jun 15, 2011 1:01 am

/ wrote:I find the number of us that supposedly asked for no card suspect, I am curious, how many of you all requested a card on night one, last night that is

We have Edocsil and Fifth with 2 cards each. I asked both of them to tell the numbers on both of their cards, but got no response so far.

by **ben.cleuch** on Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:58 am

/ wrote:I find the number of us that supposedly asked for no card suspect, I am curious, how many of you all requested a card on night one, last night that is

Requested and got
Library nothing
Rope no fingerprints.

by **edocsil** on Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:51 am

Rodion wrote:
/ wrote:I find the number of us that supposedly asked for no card suspect, I am curious, how many of you all requested a card on night one, last night that is

We have Edocsil and Fifth with 2 cards each. I asked both of them to tell the numbers on both of their cards, but got no response so far.

Wrong, I updated the spoiler.

Here is the current version, my claims on cards already in it.

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by **F1fth** on Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:54 am

Sorry about that Rodion, I swear I typed and posted this before. Oh well.

Anyway, my card numbers are 7. Yvette and 18. Stranded Motorist. I agree that a shm vote isn't exactly useful at the moment. Unvote. I'll hold off on voting GT of course until we get a suitable response from him.

by **Rodion** on Wed Jun 15, 2011 11:01 am

Edoc, I'd like the numbers, please!

So, Fifth. am I right in assuming Yvette was your N0 card and Stranded Motorist was your N1 card?

by **F1fth** on Wed Jun 15, 2011 11:08 am

Yes sir.

by **Rodion** on Wed Jun 15, 2011 11:45 am

If card numbers are determined by the order they're dealt (and we don't have enough evidence to conclude that yet - it's all speculation for now, but if we get more card numbers it could take a more concrete shape), then your #18 allows us to conclude at least 3 people didn't take a card yesterday. My card was #3 and I believe I was among the first people to request a card.

If Edocsil confirms that his N1 card is higher number than his N0 card and his N1 card is not 19 or 20 (but more like 15,16,17), Gimli and Mass Miracle's story that they didn't take cards become less suspicious (like /, I also find it weird that so many people didn't take cards).

If someone took a N0 card that is higher than 13 (Victor's card about Lalaland), please say it.

by **safariguy5** on Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:56 pm

I'll double check my night actions with Vio to see what my card number was.

by **edocsil** on Wed Jun 15, 2011 1:01 pm

20 was lady lav n1 inocent
6 was mr green n0 inocent

i think you have a bit of a pattern there. Flavor from my PM indicated I got one of the last if not the last card.

by **safariguy5** on Wed Jun 15, 2011 1:05 pm

n0 I got Professor Plum innocent card #14.

So maybe there were 14 cards handed out on n0.

by **Rodion** on Wed Jun 15, 2011 1:08 pm

Cool, so now we must see how high N0 cards go. That will allow us to know how many people made N0 investigations and how many people lied when they claimed not to have taken a card.

Highest we have so far for N0 is Victor with a 13. Can anyone beat that?

Fasposted by Safari.

Highest we have so far for N0 is Falko/Safari with a 14. Can anyone beat that?

by **got tonkaed** on Wed Jun 15, 2011 1:43 pm

I would have no problem admitting a possibility that it is a mason recruiter. Perhaps having just played a game with VS as the cult recruiter affected my view there.

Unvote

by **Rodion** on Wed Jun 15, 2011 1:50 pm

Rodion wrote:Can you at least explain a bit more about the PM, please?

PM model 1 wrote:"Join the Kingdom of Heaven!"

Do you accept or deny?

PM model 2 wrote:"Join the Kingdom of Heaven! Do you accept or deny?"

Model 1 would lead me to believe that Victor is indeed a recruiter.
Model 2 would lead me to think he was framed by someoen that had the power to send a message.

You can talk to the mods first to see if your response is within the rules or not, I only request that you provide us a little more.

Can you shed some light here, Tonka? I'd rather let you live today until we get one more night worth of actions (someone else could confirm having gotten a weird message), but if you don't start telling me what I want to hear in your next post,, I'll tunnel vision on you until D2 ends with your lynch (you will see I take my threats seriously).

Also, please tell me the number of your David Bill innocent card.

by **targetman377** on Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:58 pm

Rodin, I am really who i claimed to be I don't understand why people would not believe me on that. I was mentioned in the very first scene.

Also seeing how the food was such a big part of the first scene I can understand why they put the cook in the game. OK i am town.

(I am very sorry for not contributing lately i have not been on the forums much at all as i have been really busy lately today however i had some time and wanted to catch up.)

So here are my thoughts so far.

GT- I think if he was lieing what would be the reason?? well if he is lieing and we lynch vs then he gets lynched the very next day. I don't see how that would possible benefit scum at all? am i right living one more day is not going to help you at all. Also for all the people that we claim as scum! Scum will never clear and hold there cards so that they can get pressure off of them. Also i find it highly unlikely that people did not ask for cards? Especially in a game such as this!!! am i wrong? here. I asked for a card! I got a card i shared it with everyone. so i do belive him for now Really the only way someone would claim it if it was not true would be well dumb

I agree that shm is scummy. Just by what has been reviled about him so far. so he is my number 1.

Edocsil is up there on my scum list cause the way he was talking it sounded like he had this wonderful information that would make you actually catch a person you did not and then you did not say what wonderful information you had?? why hold up

furthermore i think that There is a killier out there looking for some one why the money!!!!! I think there is a player who needs to kill a certin player in order to find where the money is hidden this game looks prime for that and it goes perfect with the movie!!! am i right?? well how come no one else thought of this. Also the way that there was a scene in the middle of the day?? what was that all about

by **shieldgenerator7** on Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:01 pm

About lalaland clearing Sully, I think it does clear him, to an extent.
Lalaland was mafia, right? And Sully is accused of being cult. Would the mafia faction know who was in the cult faction? I would assume not, although I don't know the set-up that Tal and Vio have made. So that means lala was just blending in giving info and she helped Sully by clearing him. The only reason lala would have for holding a scum card and claiming VS as town would be... wait... I just thought of something (sorry if this confuses you I just type this out as I think). What if the card not only said Sully was scum but said he was cult? Then lala would know that Sully is cult and clear him as town. But wait, why would he do that? Aren't cult and mafia opposing factions? Lala would want to get rid of Sully, and would not have claimed him innocent if he was really cult. So that means Sully is cleared and is town. But what if Sully and Lala are both mafia? Then lala would have a good reason for clearing sully. But then why did Sully claim lala as scum? And why does Tonka think Sully is cult? Maybe Sully was trying to distance himself from lala, and by claiming him scum from the cards, he could do so and get away scot-free. That would explain the coincidence of Sully and Lala drawing each other's cards. But that doesn't explain why Tonka thinks Sully is a cult recruiter. Maybe Tonka was the one who really drew Sully's card, and he just made a big fat lie about Sully instead of just coming up and claiming he had his card. But doing that would mean he had to cross lines with lala's claim, and that could get ugly. So he decided to make something else up that souunded believable, so he could get Sully lynched. Or maybe he's a luyncher, and Sully's his target. IDK. Or maybe Tonka is part of the Mafia faction, and it's all a clever rouse to get the town to think he's on our side. But I find that possibility unlikely.
Before this, I was thinking to myself, "Sully's town and there just giving him a hard way to go," but now I find myself wondering if he plotted this with lalaland. Anyway, before I make any decision I will request Sully and Tonka to respond to the accusations I made against them in possible scenarios from this discussion post.

by **DoomYoshi** on Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:35 pm

OMG. Two barely legible posts in a row. Please, Rodion, get in here and recap before I have an aneurysm.

by **gimli1990** on Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:43 pm

i think i understand where Shield is coming from here, also still waiting on a response from Tonka on my thoughts. and i think there a lot of people waiting on tonka to post something for his defense.

by **shieldgenerator7** on Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:43 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:OMG. Two barely legible posts in a row. Please, Rodion, get in here and recap before I have an aneurysm.

sorry I didn't think to use paragraphs. That's straight form shield's mind IYKWIM. Basically it acuses Sully of being mafia and in allegiance with lala and tonka. And it asks for Sully to respond. That's the whole premise.

by **Victor Sullivan** on Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:44 pm

Wait, how am I mafia now??

-Sully

by **Rodion** on Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:45 pm

shieldgenerator7 wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:OMG. Two barely legible posts in a row. Please, Rodion, get in here and recap before I have an aneurysm.

sorry I didn't think to use paragraphs. That's straight form shield's mind IYKWIM. Basically it acuses Sully of being mafia and in allegiance with lala and tonka. And it asks for Sully to respond. That's the whole premise.

Head explodes! :shock:

by **gimli1990** on Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:50 pm

LOL

at Rodian here anyway altough i think i know where shield is coming i still do not think Scully is Mafia but the thinking here is still possible just maybe the wrong people inserted there. my thought is that maybe both Tonka and Scully are town and that message was sent to confuse the town.

therefore Unvote

by **gimli1990** on Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:51 pm

again that is just a thought.

by **Victor Sullivan** on Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:53 pm

I'm in agreement with gimli on this one, I honestly don't think tonkaed is mafia.

-Sully

by **safariguy5** on Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:55 pm

Whether or no lala clearing sully and their connection is WIFOM. If they are scum buddies, then the logical play would be to clear the scumbuddy, but maybe lala would WIFOM it an not clear him instead, so making this clearance legit. It's not a line of reasoning that lends much support to either side of the argument.

by **Mass Miracle** on Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:57 pm

Rodion wrote:If card numbers are determined by the order they're dealt (and we don't have enough evidence to conclude that yet - it's all speculation for now, but if we get more card numbers it could take a more concrete shape), then your #18 allows us to conclude at least 3 people didn't take a card yesterday. My card was #3 and I believe I was among the first people to request a card.

If Edocsil confirms that his N1 card is higher number than his N0 card and his N1 card is not 19 or 20 (but more like 15,16,17), Gimli and Mass Miracle's story that they didn't take cards become less suspicious (like /, I also find it weird that so many people didn't take cards).

If someone took a N0 card that is higher than 13 (Victor's card about Lalaland), please say it.

The cards were being given out around Memorial Day weekend and I was not around much...when I finally asked for a cellar card on Tuesday the 31st, I was told they were gone.