Final Fantasy VII Mafia - Shinra Corporation and Elena win

[zimmah]

the thing that i find strange however is that he kept insisting on giving him a chance to proof he had crystal gloves, yet he couldn't even proof it if he wanted to with the role he claimed last, that, and why is cloud so important he'd need hs personal bodyguard.

but other then that, it doesn't hurt to think this through a little more, does it?

So what better case do you see? You doing this seems scummy to me. If he is scum we need to take a close look at you tomorrow. If he is scum it seems you want to waste a night of investigations etc. checking him out.

I think the best thing to do is to lynch him now and move on with the game.

If his latest claim is true the only way to prove it is for Cloud to claim and someone kill him and see what happens and that is just crazy.

oh so if he's town i'm wrong about lynching him and if he's scum i'm wrong about not lynching him, either way i'm wrong by your logic. i don't even know if he's scum or town, i'm just saying a speed lynch like this doesn't gve us a whole lot of info.

even IF he's lying and we DO lynch him as scum, then what's next, there's probably about 6 more mafia anyway, maybe a cult or whatnot.

just ending the day for the sake of ending it is not helping, i'm just trying to avoid big mistakes and this is my thanks? geez.

[drunkmonkey]

Speaking of 23 players left, the following 6 players have not posted at all since Day II began:
5. killboy108
8. alt1978
9. VioIet
16. thehippo8
21. Dukasaur
23. slowreactor

The following 3 players have not posted since strike's counter-claim
11. maximumbandit -> replaced by codierose
12. Djfireside
22. Eldario

[drunkmonkey]

Speaking of 23 players left, the following 6 players have not posted at all since Day II began:
5. killboy108
8. alt1978
9. VioIet
16. thehippo8
21. Dukasaur
23. slowreactor

The following 3 players have not posted (anything of substance) since strike's counter-claim
11. maximumbandit -> replaced by codierose
12. Djfireside
22. Eldario

EBWOP

[MoB Deadly]

If he is scum it seems you want to waste a night of investigations etc. checking him out.

Not to mention the mafia messing up investigations we may attempt

fastposted a few times - didnt read em

[dazza2008]

the thing that i find strange however is that he kept insisting on giving him a chance to proof he had crystal gloves, yet he couldn't even proof it if he wanted to with the role he claimed last, that, and why is cloud so important he'd need hs personal bodyguard.

but other then that, it doesn't hurt to think this through a little more, does it?

So what better case do you see? You doing this seems scummy to me. If he is scum we need to take a close look at you tomorrow. If he is scum it seems you want to waste a night of investigations etc. checking him out.

I think the best thing to do is to lynch him now and move on with the game.

If his latest claim is true the only way to prove it is for Cloud to claim and someone kill him and see what happens and that is just crazy.

oh so if he's town i'm wrong about lynching him and if he's scum i'm wrong about not lynching him, either way i'm wrong by your logic. i don't even know if he's scum or town, i'm just saying a speed lynch like this doesn't gve us a whole lot of info.

even IF he's lying and we DO lynch him as scum, then what's next, there's probably about 6 more mafia anyway, maybe a cult or whatnot.

just ending the day for the sake of ending it is not helping, i'm just trying to avoid big mistakes and this is my thanks? geez.

There could be lots to go on tomorrow mate. I am going to guess that we have some power roles. He has acted scummy since the beginning of the game and now he has lied to us. I don't see what is stopping us from lynching him now.

[dazza2008]

the thing that i find strange however is that he kept insisting on giving him a chance to proof he had crystal gloves, yet he couldn't even proof it if he wanted to with the role he claimed last, that, and why is cloud so important he'd need hs personal bodyguard.

but other then that, it doesn't hurt to think this through a little more, does it?

So what better case do you see? You doing this seems scummy to me. If he is scum we need to take a close look at you tomorrow. If he is scum it seems you want to waste a night of investigations etc. checking him out.

I think the best thing to do is to lynch him now and move on with the game.

If his latest claim is true the only way to prove it is for Cloud to claim and someone kill him and see what happens and that is just crazy.

oh so if he's town i'm wrong about lynching him and if he's scum i'm wrong about not lynching him, either way i'm wrong by your logic. i don't even know if he's scum or town, i'm just saying a speed lynch like this doesn't gve us a whole lot of info.

even IF he's lying and we DO lynch him as scum, then what's next, there's probably about 6 more mafia anyway, maybe a cult or whatnot.

just ending the day for the sake of ending it is not helping, i'm just trying to avoid big mistakes and this is my thanks? geez.

There could be lots to go on tomorrow mate. I am going to guess that we have some power roles. He has acted scummy since the beginning of the game and now he has lied to us. I don't see what is stopping us from lynching him now.

Also if he is town why would I accuse you of anything for delaying? Only if he is scum would you seem scummy to me.

[Commander9]

He put us up with too much bullshit now to live. Initally, especially with his JOAT claim, I was reluctant, but his newest claim is a much less of a significant loss and there has been just too many things that do not work with that story. I was unconvinced until recently, but pretty much every new post of his just convinces me more that he's a GF that fucked up badly.

I actually do have a case (I've not mentioned that person, but been keeping tabs since Day 1), but I'd rather present it tomorrow as I really don't see a lot of reasons to do that today, but if there's a consensus, I can do it this weekend. Thoughts? (It's a pretty strong case IMHO (there's some meta-gaming in it, though), but nowhere near as strong as the one we have now).

[drunkmonkey]

He put us up with too much bullshit now to live. Initally, especially with his JOAT claim, I was reluctant, but his newest claim is a much less of a significant loss and there has been just too many things that do not work with that story. I was unconvinced until recently, but pretty much every new post of his just convinces me more that he's a GF that fucked up badly.

I actually do have a case (I've not mentioned that person, but been keeping tabs since Day 1), but I'd rather present it tomorrow as I really don't see a lot of reasons to do that today, but if there's a consensus, I can do it this weekend. Thoughts? (It's a pretty strong case IMHO (there's some meta-gaming in it, though), but nowhere near as strong as the one we have now).

Well, now you risk being silenced by mafia if you wait until tomorrow. I think I'd rather hear it today, as long as we wait until tomorrow to pursue it.

[strike wolf]

I would say go ahead and at least state who you are looking into if not the full case.

[dazza2008]

Nothing to do with the game really but Com 9 said it and I see it now and then. What does meta gaming actually mean?

[dazza2008]

Nothing to do with the game really but Com 9 said it and I see it now and then. What does meta gaming actually mean?

Never mind I just googled it. Don't know why I never did that to start with

[DoomYoshi]

Yea. Let's hear it now.

I can't believe this. After all the hell I went through yesterday, only to find the claim was a lie.

[jgordon1111]

Ok so now I have to google meta gaming to find out what that means, so I have an idea of what your all talking about. Com 9 it seems to me you might have put yourself in a danged if you do danged if you dont spot now though, thats a target on you from mafia if I am understanding this right.

[Commander9]

Well, now you risk being silenced by mafia if you wait until tomorrow. I think I'd rather hear it today, as long as we wait until tomorrow to pursue it.

I would say go ahead and at least state who you are looking into if not the full case.

The reason why I was unsure whether to use it today is because if I'll state my case today, that person could easily be framed (both by mafia framers (if they have any)) or by doing the kills. If I'd say player 1 is scummy and then I would die, that would look really bad for him and I wanted to avoid anything like that so we'd be clear minded while deciding whether to hear it or not, but since it seems that there is a general consensus for this, I'll try to do it tonight (real life) or tomorrow, as I'm not 100% sure if I'll be at the dorm tonight for much longer. Basically, expect to see it sometime this weekend.

[drunkmonkey]

Speaking of 23 players left, the following 6 players have not posted at all since Day II began:
5. killboy108
8. alt1978
9. VioIet
16. thehippo8
21. Dukasaur
23. slowreactor

The following 3 players have not posted (anything of substance) since strike's counter-claim
11. maximumbandit -> replaced by codierose
12. Djfireside
22. Eldario

EBWOP

Rodion, could you prod these people?

[Rodion]

Rodion, could you prod these people?

Done.

[killboy108]

I'm here... have been reading what's going on...

(Quick reply)

I'll post some of my thoughts with substance over the next 48 hours....

[jgordon1111]

If I am reading and understanding this correct why would we pull the focus off of WW right now, We need to find out what the deal is with him first. Now what's happening is everyone is holding for what you have to say,instead of making sure WW is in a solid trap he cant get out of if he is scum. Why not just wait until we lynched him with evidence and then give us the next possible person. I am failing to see the logic here.

[dazza2008]

If I am reading and understanding this correct why would we pull the focus off of WW right now, We need to find out what the deal is with him first. Now what's happening is everyone is holding for what you have to say,instead of making sure WW is in a solid trap he cant get out of if he is scum. Why not just wait until we lynched him with evidence and then give us the next possible person. I am failing to see the logic here.

I think it is in case he is killed tonight.

[jgordon1111]

Ok, but prior to that post why would he have been killed I must have missed something.

[dazza2008]

Ok, but prior to that post why would he have been killed I must have missed something.

He might have who knows? I sort of get your point though.

I thought he brought it up because Zimmah spoke of discussing other cases so he told us he has 1 and asked if we think he should state it or not.

[ghostly447]

Okay guys, I am going to keep it on what I have just recently read through. I think C9 did it right, because I am pretty sure either way, we will lynch WW whether we find him stuck in another lie, or just because of his previous lies.

I happened to believe him but now I am not too sure. Just because of all the lies

However, in his somewhat defense, somewhat an accusation, I want to bring attention back to page 43.

Strike Wolf quote:

So there was a lot to sort through since I logged off...

First of all my vote still stands.

Second, Im not very familiar with the FF universe but how did Tifa get the Crystal Gloves?

Third, So your kill flavour specifically says it will mention Crystal gloves?

Fourth, This game has characters from both the movie (Advent Children I think?) and the game right? So there's more room for fake claims and one TIfa being a fake claim would not at all surprise me.

Fifth, Commander can you restate your opinions a little clearer? I got lost as to whether you were supporting lynching WW today or giving him an extra night.

Sixth, WW's reaction seems very much like a Mafia GF who was given a good fake claim. He's riding heavily on his claim of Tifa while pushing to discount my claim (to a lesser extent) and he's pointing investigations his way which has been a common theme for GFs in the past to "clear" themselves.

I may have more to say, I had to read all of that at once so I think I've probably forgot about a couple details in this post.

admits he has no clue about the ff universe, but then says it would not surprise him if Tifa were a fake claim? Seems to me like he is just trying to pile the evidence on WW without paying too much attention to what he is saying. Because if I am reading correctly, he is saying that he doesnt know anything about the game, but yet he is willing to say one of the Tifa would make a good Fake claim. I agree ONE would be a good fake claim, but if he doesnt know about the FF world, wouldnt it be strange that he is trying to say one would be? After all, isnt the point of us saying Rodion can be tricky because he can be tricky?

Just a slight FOS on you Strike Wolf. If we lynch WW today and he is a scum, that will take away my FOS.

[jgordon1111]

Are we trying to make sure that we lynch WW on the evidence of a lie,so that we make sure something else doesn't come out about someone else? To me this just seems strange. I know most of you play this regular and maybe this isn't unusual. But this could lead to WW being lynched and if he turns out town then the new info gives us some other town member who wanted to lynch WW so they must be scum then. Or maybe I am just reading to much into sorry.

[ghostly447]

This was the first game I signed up for as well. But I think I have caught on that until a dead line is sent, and solidified, we will be attempting to hunt down as many scum as possible, and then voting according to the best case we have. If it so happens that WW, then so be it, we will have at least 3 days in advance to begin pressuring him again until the deadline, so he should crack and mess up somewhere again.

So pretty much, take all the time we have, lynch the best case, and that way we have several other cases to pursue the next day so we can hopefully get scum on all lynch days.

[Eldario]

Speaking of 23 players left, the following 6 players have not posted at all since Day II began:
5. killboy108
8. alt1978
9. VioIet
16. thehippo8
21. Dukasaur
23. slowreactor

The following 3 players have not posted (anything of substance) since strike's counter-claim
11. maximumbandit -> replaced by codierose
12. Djfireside
22. Eldario

EBWOP

I guess I'll have to agree that my posts haven't had that much of "substance", and I agree that WildWilliam seams a bit scummy, but that's pretty much all I have, and since most agree that WildWilliam seam scummy I really did not see the need for me to say it too.

but I'm interested in what Commander9s case consists of and thought I would let him post before I voted