Batman : Arkham City [Day 4] And we're back

[new guy1]

So you're calling skimming that I use red to vote, as that is standard. . I can't say who I would have pressured but I certainnly would have looked through D1.

Well given that there has actually been a discussion on this subject, you must either not have read that discussion (thus skimming?) or forgot about it.

Thank you, I didnt get to it fast enough

[betiko]

You guys are voting me for inactivity right? Fair enough. I'll be more active.

Good, how about some opinions?

lool! i have to say that was a heck of a comeback from gilipig! great post!!

other than this can we chill outa little about any little detail that are always seen as scumslips? i know we have to start somewhere, but some "cases" ridiculous and being discussed on far too many pages.

I don't mind pressuring gilipig as well, see if he can bring up a little more than this last post...

vote gilipig

[spiesr]

other than this can we chill outa little about any little detail that are always seen as scumslips? i know we have to start somewhere, but some "cases" ridiculous and being discussed on far too many pages.

I don't mind pressuring gilipig as well, see if he can bring up a little more than this last post...

vote gilipig

So you are okay with basing a vote on the slip of inactivity but have a problem with basing it on other small things?

[ghostly447]

other than this can we chill outa little about any little detail that are always seen as scumslips? i know we have to start somewhere, but some "cases" ridiculous and being discussed on far too many pages.

I don't mind pressuring gilipig as well, see if he can bring up a little more than this last post...

vote gilipig

So you are okay with basing a vote on the slip of inactivity but have a problem with basing it on other small things?

I thought you among most of us had cleared betiko already as the bomb. So why is it necessary to question his every move?

[spiesr]

I thought you among most of us had cleared betiko already as the bomb. So why is it necessary to question his every move?

He isn't actually "clear." The evidence that would have got him lynched was disproven, but that doesn't itself clear him. It just puts him back where he more before, that is with an unconfirmed claim. So while he isn't a primary target anymore, he is still subject to scrutiny.
I said something to this effect not long ago, did you skim it?

[Nendreel]

You guys are voting me for inactivity right? Fair enough. I'll be more active.

Holy crap, it worked!

I'll wait for a more substantial post before I unvote though...

hmm, who else has been absent a while?

[ghostly447]

I thought you among most of us had cleared betiko already as the bomb. So why is it necessary to question his every move?

He isn't actually "clear." The evidence that would have got him lynched was disproven, but that doesn't itself clear him. It just puts him back where he more before, that is with an unconfirmed claim. So while he isn't a primary target anymore, he is still subject to scrutiny.
I said something to this effect not long ago, did you skim it?

I do in fact remember. In response to someones list of "cleared" where you were able to somehow say that he wasnt cleared, but didnt say anything about Mr. S nor CM5. How do we know they didnt just plan all of that? If you are going to respond saying they are in the same boat, dont say he isnt cleared. Though I was wrong you hadnt cleared him, that does bring up something. Why did you clear the other 2 (or at least not mention it in that post) but not Betiko?

[Mr. Squirrel]

I thought you among most of us had cleared betiko already as the bomb. So why is it necessary to question his every move?

He isn't actually "clear." The evidence that would have got him lynched was disproven, but that doesn't itself clear him. It just puts him back where he more before, that is with an unconfirmed claim. So while he isn't a primary target anymore, he is still subject to scrutiny.
I said something to this effect not long ago, did you skim it?

Why did you clear the other 2 (or at least not mention it in that post) but not Betiko?

Could it be because we still have no info on Betiko? Just because I bused him doesn't clear him. For all we know, its possible my busdrive saved his ass from getting tracked at the kill scene (*cue some player taking this out of context, believing that this is what actually happened*).

If the two of us (myself and CM5) planned that, it would be an extremely risky move. We still have a very long game ahead of us where if one of us gets caught, then it would kill both of us. That's why scum distance themselves in the early game, rather than coordinate. For this reason, there's a greater chance that CM5 and I are telling the truth (though not 100%) and its not a naive move to clear us.

[spiesr]

I do in fact remember. In response to someones list of "cleared" where you were able to somehow say that he wasnt cleared, but didnt say anything about Mr. S nor CM5. How do we know they didnt just plan all of that? If you are going to respond saying they are in the same boat, dont say he isnt cleared. Though I was wrong you hadnt cleared him, that does bring up something. Why did you clear the other 2 (or at least not mention it in that post) but not Betiko?

In his post Mr. Squirrel basically hit this one on the head. Crazy and Squirrel are not in the same category as Betiko. They have claimed actions which have been backed up by each other and by nagerous. (The possibility of the three of them forging a group lie about this at this point is too preposterous to take seriously without some sort of evidence for it.) So, they have confirmable actions while Betiko doesn't. Now, sure this doesn't 100% clear any of them (for example Squirrel could totally be a mafia busdriver), but their claims at a clearly different levels of "proveness" at this time.

[ghostly447]

Alrighty, I just wanted to make sure it wasnt completely forgotten, etc. haha. Thank you.

[jonty125]

So you're calling skimming that I use red to vote, as that is standard. . I can't say who I would have pressured but I certainnly would have looked through D1.

or forgot about it.

I forgot.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

vote Gillipig since he hasn't posted anything since just saying he would be more active.

[gregwolf121]

well internets a bit iffy latly so i may not be able to post very often for the next little while, but as to inactives i don't remember a post by illiad or DRoZ recently.

[betiko]

I thought you among most of us had cleared betiko already as the bomb. So why is it necessary to question his every move?

He isn't actually "clear." The evidence that would have got him lynched was disproven, but that doesn't itself clear him. It just puts him back where he more before, that is with an unconfirmed claim. So while he isn't a primary target anymore, he is still subject to scrutiny.
I said something to this effect not long ago, did you skim it?

Why did you clear the other 2 (or at least not mention it in that post) but not Betiko?

Could it be because we still have no info on Betiko? Just because I bused him doesn't clear him. For all we know, its possible my busdrive saved his ass from getting tracked at the kill scene (*cue some player taking this out of context, believing that this is what actually happened*).

If the two of us (myself and CM5) planned that, it would be an extremely risky move. We still have a very long game ahead of us where if one of us gets caught, then it would kill both of us. That's why scum distance themselves in the early game, rather than coordinate. For this reason, there's a greater chance that CM5 and I are telling the truth (though not 100%) and its not a naive move to clear us.

my only way to prove my role is by exploding as i can't go anywhere at night. just get creative next night and bus me with the next scum target. you will acheive 3 things; have no more doubts about my claim, get rid of a scum and get rid of me.
other thing, if I was scum, doyou think me and other scum members would be that stupid to make me perform the kill last night?

[Gillipig]

Where is DRoZ and Illiad? I don't think they have posted more than to say they want to join.
I think part of the reason relatively few are posting is that it's hard to catch up on everything that has been posted. Unless you want to just pop in and say hi, you need to read 5 or 6 pages of content before you post. So I can do without your sarcasm Betiko. I don't know how much time you have to spare but for me it takes longer to just read the previous pages in this thread than I usually spend on the site in a day.

Nagerous could have been roleblocked last night or someone might've protected edo. So he could still have an aggressive night role. Just because we know Nag visited edo and he didn't die doesn't automatically make nag a good guy. He could also have a spy role, a maf who finds out townies roles.
I don't have more to come with for now but you guys are free to grill me a bit if you want to .

[strike wolf]

What he could have isn't the point though. There's too many roles he could be that an unknown action on Edoc can't be taken as a cause to force a claim. We can be reasonably certain he is not Batman from context clues though.

[Gillipig]

What he could have isn't the point though. There's too many roles he could be that an unknown action on Edoc can't be taken as a cause to force a claim. We can be reasonably certain he is not Batman from context clues though.

I never said we should force him to claim. But no one had brought up the point that Nag could've made an unsuccessful kill attempt on edo and that is why he's alive. The strongest lead on that Nag could be a maf is that only one town died last night. With this many players in a game surely the mafia has at least one additional assassin or night killing character. Whoever it was failed last night. Maybe he attempted to kill a target that can't be killed at night or his target was saved. Maybe it was Nag maybe it was someone else, like you or me. Either way it's highly likely that mafia has an assassin like character. Especially considering that this is a Batman inspired mafia game.

[nagerous]

If I had been roleblocked, it would have said that I didn't go anywhere. Anyway, I have no qualms being tracked again or multiple times for that matter, how about yourself? You seem to be talking like a man whose kill didn't go through.

[strike wolf]

You didn't but you have been jolting heavily that nag should not be trusted with talk of assassins which is wifom at best.

[Gillipig]

If I had been roleblocked, it would have said that I didn't go anywhere. Anyway, I have no qualms being tracked again or multiple times for that matter, how about yourself? You seem to be talking like a man whose kill didn't go through.

If I were a mafia sided assassin I'd be incredibly stupid to bring up the possibility of a mafia assassin failing to kill last night. It's not something anyone sided with mafia would want to talk about. They'd want that to be unknown for as long as possible. And first when someone else brings up the subject would they talk about it. Sort of like what you are doing right now. I fos you for not realizing that a failed assassin wouldn't want to talk about himself failing to kill when no one else has suggested it.

[spiesr]

I never said we should force him to claim. But no one had brought up the point that Nag could've made an unsuccessful kill attempt on edo and that is why he's alive. The strongest lead on that Nag could be a maf is that only one town died last night. With this many players in a game surely the mafia has at least one additional assassin or night killing character. Whoever it was failed last night. Maybe he attempted to kill a target that can't be killed at night or his target was saved. Maybe it was Nag maybe it was someone else, like you or me. Either way it's highly likely that mafia has an assassin like character. Especially considering that this is a Batman inspired mafia game.

I am uncomfortable with the way this argument is assembled. The specific way in which you make certain assumptions about the number and alignment of night kills stands out as unusual to me. It seems I am getting the vibe that you have more direct knowledge of the situation than an average player would at this point. I might be wrong, but I feel it's worth looking into at this point.
Vote Gillipig
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[Gillipig]

I never said we should force him to claim. But no one had brought up the point that Nag could've made an unsuccessful kill attempt on edo and that is why he's alive. The strongest lead on that Nag could be a maf is that only one town died last night. With this many players in a game surely the mafia has at least one additional assassin or night killing character. Whoever it was failed last night. Maybe he attempted to kill a target that can't be killed at night or his target was saved. Maybe it was Nag maybe it was someone else, like you or me. Either way it's highly likely that mafia has an assassin like character. Especially considering that this is a Batman inspired mafia game.

I am uncomfortable with the way this argument is assembled. The specific way in which you make certain assumptions about the number and alignment of night kills stands out as unusual to me. It seems I am getting the vibe that you have more direct knowledge of the situation than an average player would at this point. I might be wrong, but I feel it's worth looking into at this point.
Vote Gillipig
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Well I am a knowledgeable person haha. I have a confident tone to my writing that a lot of times comes off as insightful or knowledgeable. (I'd like to think it's reflective of my personality as well ) I don't know how much you've read from me in the rest of the forum but that's just basically how I write. So it's not a good tell really. As for my predicitions. I was only using logic, something I know is generally preferable over gut feeling in mafia games. When LV created a game with 21 players, he'd be giving the mafia a very small chance of winning if he didn't give them an assassin type of character. So I'm assuming they have one. And he probably failed. I may be wrong of course, but I don't see how me suggesting it would be suspicious.
If I were an assassin myself I would NEVER suggest it. I'd wait until others started talking about it before I gave my opinion on it.

If I get lynched for my personality then at least you'll know next time to not make the same misstake. (I hope)

[edocsil]

I never said we should force him to claim. But no one had brought up the point that Nag could've made an unsuccessful kill attempt on edo and that is why he's alive. The strongest lead on that Nag could be a maf is that only one town died last night. With this many players in a game surely the mafia has at least one additional assassin or night killing character. Whoever it was failed last night. Maybe he attempted to kill a target that can't be killed at night or his target was saved. Maybe it was Nag maybe it was someone else, like you or me. Either way it's highly likely that mafia has an assassin like character. Especially considering that this is a Batman inspired mafia game.

I am uncomfortable with the way this argument is assembled. The specific way in which you make certain assumptions about the number and alignment of night kills stands out as unusual to me. It seems I am getting the vibe that you have more direct knowledge of the situation than an average player would at this point. I might be wrong, but I feel it's worth looking into at this point.
Vote Gillipig
fastposted

Well I am a knowledgeable person haha. I have a confident tone to my writing that a lot of times comes off as insightful or knowledgeable. (I'd like to think it's reflective of my personality as well ) I don't know how much you've read from me in the rest of the forum but that's just basically how I write. So it's not a good tell really. As for my predicitions. I was only using logic, something I know is generally preferable over gut feeling in mafia games. When LV created a game with 21 players, he'd be giving the mafia a very small chance of winning if he didn't give them an assassin type of character. So I'm assuming they have one. And he probably failed. I may be wrong of course, but I don't see how me suggesting it would be suspicious.
If I were an assassin myself I would NEVER suggest it. I'd wait until others started talking about it before I gave my opinion on it.

If I get lynched for my personality then at least you'll know next time to not make the same misstake. (I hope)

how would an assassin be a make or break role for a scum team?

[strike wolf]

There's more than one way to balance a mafia in a larger game and it really did seem like you were trying to get someone to bite on the assassin claim.

[DRoZ]

I just want to point out some of spiesr's actions...

1) Joined bandwagon on betiko only after / accuses betiko and offers no real insight. (also points out the vote color, not a bad thing just shows the attention to detail spiesr has for this game)

2) Offered a defense of his vote when pressured by betiko, admits to jumping on the bandwagon.

3) lashes out at vodean after voting against him, essentially doing the exact same thing as his own vote on betiko.

4) Calls out gregwolf (didn't want to vote, called a scumariner), betiko (nameclaimed at this point no role), and myself (for being wishy-washy due to me backing away from my admittedly weak vote on betiko)

5) Asked for the busdriving role call, outing Mr. S

***note: new guy called this role call out as scummy with a FOS on spiesr and was immediately attacked by / (another connection between / and spiesr)

6) Doesn't want to clear betiko, understandable, but it would be in the mafia's best interest to get the town to kill off the bomb (should betiko's claim be valid)

Considering how spiesr does not seem to lead the charge on anyone, only justifying bandwagon jumps as well as retaliatory votes and accusations, combined with what could be a slight alliance with /, I feel somewhat justified with VOTE spiesr, considering everyone seems content with nag's refusal, I do not see anyone else to go with at the moment.