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Six days into the launch of insurance marketplaces created by the new health-care law, the federal government acknowledged for the first time Sunday it needed to fix design and software problems that have kept customers from applying online for coverage. The website is troubled by coding problems and flaws in the architecture of the system, according to insurance-industry advisers, technical experts and people close to the development of the marketplace. Information technology experts who examined the healthcare.gov website at the request of The Wall Street Journal said the site appeared to be built on a sloppy software foundation.
Stephen Push, a 52-year-old early retiree living in McLean, Va., said he tried to log in to the website a dozen times last week, and was thwarted by website errors each time. On Friday, he called a hotline set up by the administration to help people enroll, but the customer-service representative was also unable to access the online marketplace.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 13018.html
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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Phatscotty wrote:I was asking you about how you feel concerning equality under the law. Sure Obama could just go back on the waivers and that would make it equal, but he's not going to do that either.
The point here is that he changed the law, it's not the same law that was passed in 2010,
and the law he said he would pass was not the same law the Supreme Court ruled on; it was upheld as a tax, something Obama promised over and over and over and over again it wasn't. But looks like those things don't bother you too much.
We have every reason and every right in the world to fight it.
saxitoxin wrote:Obamacare On Verge of Repealing ItselfSix days into the launch of insurance marketplaces created by the new health-care law, the federal government acknowledged for the first time Sunday it needed to fix design and software problems that have kept customers from applying online for coverage. The website is troubled by coding problems and flaws in the architecture of the system, according to insurance-industry advisers, technical experts and people close to the development of the marketplace. Information technology experts who examined the healthcare.gov website at the request of The Wall Street Journal said the site appeared to be built on a sloppy software foundation.
Stephen Push, a 52-year-old early retiree living in McLean, Va., said he tried to log in to the website a dozen times last week, and was thwarted by website errors each time. On Friday, he called a hotline set up by the administration to help people enroll, but the customer-service representative was also unable to access the online marketplace.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 13018.html
Metsfanmax wrote:Phatscotty wrote:I was asking you about how you feel concerning equality under the law. Sure Obama could just go back on the waivers and that would make it equal, but he's not going to do that either.
I don't believe that "equality" between businesses and individuals is even a meaningful concept, and leads to very bad things when you attempt to do that (cf. Citizens United).The point here is that he changed the law, it's not the same law that was passed in 2010,
What's your point? Name a single major law that didn't change after it was enacted.and the law he said he would pass was not the same law the Supreme Court ruled on; it was upheld as a tax, something Obama promised over and over and over and over again it wasn't. But looks like those things don't bother you too much.
My personal feelings are irrelevant, as are President Obama's. The Supreme Court has the final say in the interpretation, and I don't really care whether it's called a tax or not. What matters is the actual implementation.We have every reason and every right in the world to fight it.
There are lots of things that aren't getting funded now because a minority of one house of Congress decided that it wanted to continue fighting a three-year-old law despite obviously not having the requisite support to get the changes made. I don't think Pete King is too far off in describing Ted Cruz as committing governmental terrorism. He didn't get what he wanted in the normal legislative process, so now the government is being given an ultimatum for it to function properly. This is absurd in the historical context of how Congress has operated (and that's saying something, given how dysfunctional it has been for the last few years).
If you have a majority to overturn it -- fine. But you don't, so please stop making it impossible for me to get the data I need from NASA's website.
Phatscotty wrote:You are wrong again. The things you point out that aren't getting funded..... because of a minority in one house. Everything that isn't funded right now, the house passed a bill to fund,
and it's not just a minority of one house as you say. It has all the Tea Party votes, all the Republicans, and 57 Democrats too. Those bills are sitting on Harry Reid's desk, and everything can be funded with the stroke of a pen. Harry Reid will not pick up the pen though.
Metsfanmax wrote:If everything could be funded, then this issue would have been solved a while ago. The issue here is that Speaker Boehner is not allowing a vote to fund everything but only allowing votes on funding measures for specific agencies. President Obama and the Senate have said time and time again that what they want is a 'clean' bill that funds everything, rather than this piecemeal stuff.
Metsfanmax wrote:No. The House did pass a few bills to fund specific things (FEMA, NIH, etc.). NASA is conspicuously not on that list. This is frustrating.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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thegreekdog wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:If everything could be funded, then this issue would have been solved a while ago. The issue here is that Speaker Boehner is not allowing a vote to fund everything but only allowing votes on funding measures for specific agencies. President Obama and the Senate have said time and time again that what they want is a 'clean' bill that funds everything, rather than this piecemeal stuff.
I don't really want to get involved because you and PS are having an interesting discussion, but I will because I'm stupid like that.
It is rather funny to see how each side perceives the issue. On the one hand, the Republicans are lambasted for stopping such things as funding for NASA and to keep the national parks open, etc. On the other hand, the Democrats and the president are lambasted for the same thing. That the Republicans have come to the table to fund some things and not others makes me wonder what the Democrats' response is to criticisms leveled at them. To be fair, the lack of funding is, at the end of the day, the Republicans' fault, but the Democrats could certainly help fund some things and not others.
It's fascinating. I still haven't suffered any material effects of the shutdown (other than better traffic patterns).
Phatscotty wrote:that doesn't change the funding is sitting on Harry Reid's desk (leader of the US Senate). He just needs to sign it. You giving reasons why Reid won't sign it is just you giving reasons why Reid won't fund the government.
NASA's primary objective is Muslim outreach. It's not the super important space center you are making it out to be anymore.
And how can you be pissed about anything not getting funded? That's the way it goes when you don't have the money because you overspent on other things like free cell phones.
Stop being a tool. Yes, president and Reid said time and time again they want a clean bill, but put some thought into what that means. What that means is "give up all your leverage, and then I will negotiate" The American people aren't buying it, and you are balls deep in taking the silliest political talking points of the Democrats as gospel.
Phatscotty wrote:thegreekdog wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:If everything could be funded, then this issue would have been solved a while ago. The issue here is that Speaker Boehner is not allowing a vote to fund everything but only allowing votes on funding measures for specific agencies. President Obama and the Senate have said time and time again that what they want is a 'clean' bill that funds everything, rather than this piecemeal stuff.
I don't really want to get involved because you and PS are having an interesting discussion, but I will because I'm stupid like that.
It is rather funny to see how each side perceives the issue. On the one hand, the Republicans are lambasted for stopping such things as funding for NASA and to keep the national parks open, etc. On the other hand, the Democrats and the president are lambasted for the same thing. That the Republicans have come to the table to fund some things and not others makes me wonder what the Democrats' response is to criticisms leveled at them. To be fair, the lack of funding is, at the end of the day, the Republicans' fault, but the Democrats could certainly help fund some things and not others.
It's fascinating. I still haven't suffered any material effects of the shutdown (other than better traffic patterns).
Likewise, I have asked close to 50 people I work with and personally talk to if they know anyone who is affected by the shutdown. I only have heard 2 yesses, and both of them were Democrats who said their grandpa didn't get their social security check (which is a lie). And then they got all mad about something that didn't happen and cursed out Republicans.
Phatscotty wrote:thegreekdog wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:If everything could be funded, then this issue would have been solved a while ago. The issue here is that Speaker Boehner is not allowing a vote to fund everything but only allowing votes on funding measures for specific agencies. President Obama and the Senate have said time and time again that what they want is a 'clean' bill that funds everything, rather than this piecemeal stuff.
I don't really want to get involved because you and PS are having an interesting discussion, but I will because I'm stupid like that.
It is rather funny to see how each side perceives the issue. On the one hand, the Republicans are lambasted for stopping such things as funding for NASA and to keep the national parks open, etc. On the other hand, the Democrats and the president are lambasted for the same thing. That the Republicans have come to the table to fund some things and not others makes me wonder what the Democrats' response is to criticisms leveled at them. To be fair, the lack of funding is, at the end of the day, the Republicans' fault, but the Democrats could certainly help fund some things and not others.
It's fascinating. I still haven't suffered any material effects of the shutdown (other than better traffic patterns).
Likewise, I have asked close to 50 people I work with and personally talk to if they know anyone who is affected by the shutdown. I only have heard 2 yesses, and both of them were Democrats who said their grandpa didn't get their social security check (which is a lie). And then they got all mad about something that didn't happen and cursed out Republicans.
saxitoxin wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:No. The House did pass a few bills to fund specific things (FEMA, NIH, etc.). NASA is conspicuously not on that list. This is frustrating.
Metsfanmax - OR SHOULD I SAY "DAVE NIELSEN" - is still mad about how Tom Tancredo shut him and his buddy Mike Huckabee down in 2007 ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQbMnFl3DEU&t=7m34s
jj3044 wrote:Phatscotty wrote:thegreekdog wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:If everything could be funded, then this issue would have been solved a while ago. The issue here is that Speaker Boehner is not allowing a vote to fund everything but only allowing votes on funding measures for specific agencies. President Obama and the Senate have said time and time again that what they want is a 'clean' bill that funds everything, rather than this piecemeal stuff.
I don't really want to get involved because you and PS are having an interesting discussion, but I will because I'm stupid like that.
It is rather funny to see how each side perceives the issue. On the one hand, the Republicans are lambasted for stopping such things as funding for NASA and to keep the national parks open, etc. On the other hand, the Democrats and the president are lambasted for the same thing. That the Republicans have come to the table to fund some things and not others makes me wonder what the Democrats' response is to criticisms leveled at them. To be fair, the lack of funding is, at the end of the day, the Republicans' fault, but the Democrats could certainly help fund some things and not others.
It's fascinating. I still haven't suffered any material effects of the shutdown (other than better traffic patterns).
Likewise, I have asked close to 50 people I work with and personally talk to if they know anyone who is affected by the shutdown. I only have heard 2 yesses, and both of them were Democrats who said their grandpa didn't get their social security check (which is a lie). And then they got all mad about something that didn't happen and cursed out Republicans.
lol... how about all of those federal workers trying to make a living with 2-year olds at home? I know one of those...
Don't pretend that this isn't affecting anyone!
Metsfanmax wrote:saxitoxin wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:No. The House did pass a few bills to fund specific things (FEMA, NIH, etc.). NASA is conspicuously not on that list. This is frustrating.
Metsfanmax - OR SHOULD I SAY "DAVE NIELSEN" - is still mad about how Tom Tancredo shut him and his buddy Mike Huckabee down in 2007 ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQbMnFl3DEU&t=7m34s
Indeed. I find it crucially important that we have the ability to get to Mars so that I can leave Earth when Ted Cruz is elected President.
Phatscotty wrote:Votes are votes, but funding is funding. Most of those votes were politics. The people that got elected by promising to do everything in their power to fight Obamacare were just doing what they were sent to Washington to do. Actually a breathe of fresh air.
LMAO. 13% of the government, the non-essential parts, is closed down, and you are using the gun to the head analogy?
That's pure hyperbole and rhetoric. And that kind of language certainly does not help the 2 sides come together to talk, and might even be the exact kind of supposed "tone" that supposedly got us downgraded in 2011 and 2012.
Metsfanmax wrote:Phatscotty wrote:Votes are votes, but funding is funding. Most of those votes were politics. The people that got elected by promising to do everything in their power to fight Obamacare were just doing what they were sent to Washington to do. Actually a breathe of fresh air.
No one is elected with the express purpose of "fight Obamacare." Representatives are elected with the purpose of running the government. They have failed.LMAO. 13% of the government, the non-essential parts, is closed down, and you are using the gun to the head analogy?
It doesn't matter what percentage of the government is shut down. The tactics that are being used are what justify the gun to the head analogy.That's pure hyperbole and rhetoric. And that kind of language certainly does not help the 2 sides come together to talk, and might even be the exact kind of supposed "tone" that supposedly got us downgraded in 2011 and 2012.
I don't have any particular reason to be especially friendly to the people who are responsible for furloughing hundreds of thousands of federal employees (and shutting down a whole swath of science). I'm not trying to get them to give me a lollipop, I'm telling them to do their fucking jobs.
thegreekdog wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:saxitoxin wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:No. The House did pass a few bills to fund specific things (FEMA, NIH, etc.). NASA is conspicuously not on that list. This is frustrating.
Metsfanmax - OR SHOULD I SAY "DAVE NIELSEN" - is still mad about how Tom Tancredo shut him and his buddy Mike Huckabee down in 2007 ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQbMnFl3DEU&t=7m34s
Indeed. I find it crucially important that we have the ability to get to Mars so that I can leave Earth when Ted Cruz is elected President.
You could leave the country instead. Cheaper and less government intervention (albeit, still government intervention).
jj3044 wrote:Phatscotty wrote:thegreekdog wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:If everything could be funded, then this issue would have been solved a while ago. The issue here is that Speaker Boehner is not allowing a vote to fund everything but only allowing votes on funding measures for specific agencies. President Obama and the Senate have said time and time again that what they want is a 'clean' bill that funds everything, rather than this piecemeal stuff.
I don't really want to get involved because you and PS are having an interesting discussion, but I will because I'm stupid like that.
It is rather funny to see how each side perceives the issue. On the one hand, the Republicans are lambasted for stopping such things as funding for NASA and to keep the national parks open, etc. On the other hand, the Democrats and the president are lambasted for the same thing. That the Republicans have come to the table to fund some things and not others makes me wonder what the Democrats' response is to criticisms leveled at them. To be fair, the lack of funding is, at the end of the day, the Republicans' fault, but the Democrats could certainly help fund some things and not others.
It's fascinating. I still haven't suffered any material effects of the shutdown (other than better traffic patterns).
Likewise, I have asked close to 50 people I work with and personally talk to if they know anyone who is affected by the shutdown. I only have heard 2 yesses, and both of them were Democrats who said their grandpa didn't get their social security check (which is a lie). And then they got all mad about something that didn't happen and cursed out Republicans.
lol... how about all of those federal workers trying to make a living with 2-year olds at home? I know one of those...
Don't pretend that this isn't affecting anyone!
Phatscotty wrote:
NASA's primary objective is Muslim outreach.
BigBallinStalin wrote:Phatscotty wrote:
NASA's primary objective is Muslim outreach.
lol, quote of the week. Thanks, PS!
Phatscotty wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:Phatscotty wrote:
NASA's primary objective is Muslim outreach.
lol, quote of the week. Thanks, PS!
You're welcome, smart person. So funny, is it not?? Here, let me laugh with ya, at me of course.
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Quote it all you want, quote if for the year. Please? Just be sure to add the video with your quote to embarrass me even further. Deal?
It's blatantly clear not enough people know what's going on, not even the smart ones.
(insert smackdown comments here)
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