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Postby freezie on Tue May 22, 2007 4:05 pm

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Serbia wrote:FOS Freezie. For reasons I'll go into in more depth later. But honestly dude, I'm sure you're scummy.



For a second time..please provide evidences..You're not helping if you don't.


Looking back at your votes... you voted me, Aim, happy... Just tell us, you're scum, aren't you.



Is that all you got? I voted you, because you seemed scummy going back and forth on voting the 3 girls.

I explained why I voted aim, and explained how I was wrong? Why you got something against me for that still?

I voted happy, because you showed some strong evidences at that time. Yet, you fail to do it against me...
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Postby kalishnikov on Tue May 22, 2007 4:05 pm

nagerous wrote:ok hey guys lets wait for serbia

I guess he investigated cynthia last night

Her and freezie are looking like the main suspects at the moment


How do you know this before he posted it?

You do know that you can't discuss mafia games outside of the thread, unless your role says you can talk at night?? Which is mainly a mafia power...

It sounds to me like there's some Out Of Character discussion going on here, which pretty much ruins this game.

FOS: Serbia & Nagerous

I defended Clapper for 2 reasons:

1) I thought she was innocent, I'm a bad judge of character, doesn't make me scum...
2) she's new. I wrote her scuminess of to not being sure how to play.

One question for you Nagurous, at what point am I anti-Serbia? I supported all of his points, and was going to vote Clapper, but got beat to dropping the hammer. Are you skimming??

I've seen enough fake claims to not jump on the wagon when someone claims the cop. And why are you all of a sudden so adamant to protect him?

One last note, other people then cops can do investigations....

Seriously, somethings not right here.
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Postby Serbia on Tue May 22, 2007 4:07 pm

Kalish, what do you think about Freezie? Seeming scummy to me...
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Postby Serbia on Tue May 22, 2007 4:09 pm

Oh and btw, I'm not discussing this with anyone outside the thread. If that makes you feel any better.
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Postby kalishnikov on Tue May 22, 2007 4:11 pm

Serbia wrote:FOS Freezie. For reasons I'll go into in more depth later. But honestly dude, I'm sure you're scummy.


Please provide us with said reasons, Serbia. I suspected Freezie earlier too, and would like to know if my ideas have any merit. Was he your investigation last night?

FOS: Freezie, again.
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Postby freezie on Tue May 22, 2007 4:12 pm

Know what...there.

Vote: SERBIA


For repeating that I am scummy yet DO NOT SHOW any quotes or evidences.

You investigated and rooted out clapper as a scum...


But other than just repeating I am scum, you also ARE NOT SAYING who you investigated last night, and what was the result.



So, either show what you have against me, tell us who you investigated, otherwise YOU WILL look scummy.
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Postby freezie on Tue May 22, 2007 4:13 pm

kalishnikov wrote:
Serbia wrote:FOS Freezie. For reasons I'll go into in more depth later. But honestly dude, I'm sure you're scummy.


Please provide us with said reasons, Serbia. I suspected Freezie earlier too, and would like to know if my ideas have any merit. Was he your investigation last night?

FOS: Freezie, again.




Don't ask what is his evidences if you can't show yours yourself....

And if I was his investigation last night, I don't think he would try to lead a bandwaggon against me today...
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Postby kalishnikov on Tue May 22, 2007 4:13 pm

Serbia wrote:Oh and btw, I'm not discussing this with anyone outside the thread. If that makes you feel any better.


Good, I believe you. Nagerous's choice of words appeared suspect, that's all. I don't doubt your integrity.
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Postby Serbia on Tue May 22, 2007 4:16 pm

freezie wrote:
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Serbia wrote:FOS Freezie. For reasons I'll go into in more depth later. But honestly dude, I'm sure you're scummy.


Please provide us with said reasons, Serbia. I suspected Freezie earlier too, and would like to know if my ideas have any merit. Was he your investigation last night?

FOS: Freezie, again.




Don't ask what is his evidences if you can't show yours yourself....

And if I was his investigation last night, I don't think he would try to lead a bandwaggon against me today...


Voting habits. They're, suspect.
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Postby kalishnikov on Tue May 22, 2007 4:16 pm

freezie wrote:
kalishnikov wrote:
Serbia wrote:FOS Freezie. For reasons I'll go into in more depth later. But honestly dude, I'm sure you're scummy.


Please provide us with said reasons, Serbia. I suspected Freezie earlier too, and would like to know if my ideas have any merit. Was he your investigation last night?

FOS: Freezie, again.




Don't ask what is his evidences if you can't show yours yourself....

And if I was his investigation last night, I don't think he would try to lead a bandwaggon against me today...


Since you just posted this, I didn't wanna keep you waiting because I know your here, but it's gonna take me a moment, I have to backtrack the thread some.

I keep a piece of paper next to the comp with pertinent mafia info on it (roles, cohorts, powers, rules, etc.) and next to your name I have a plus, which means your currently "under the looking glass."

To provide real proof, I must re-read.
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Postby Serbia on Tue May 22, 2007 4:20 pm

Kalish, what more do you got? He's lookin real bad, isn't he?
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Postby freezie on Tue May 22, 2007 4:25 pm

kalishnikov wrote:
To provide real proof, I must re-read.




That's fine with me, no pressure. At least you're telling us you're gonna show some ;)


Serbia, I know you're a new player ( so was I when I started this, but after going into 5 mafias at once, I learnt a few things ) but a WIFOM argument PLUS trying to get a bandwagon on me is VERY suspicious. Only mafias would tell everyone '' Hey, he looks bad isn't he?''


Now, please tell us who you investigated, and your results. Also show what you got against me, or else my vote will stay on you. I am ready to counter whatever argument you got, no matter what they are. I know I have nothing to blame me.

This is your last warning, don't ignore us. We asked 2 questions, answer them.
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Postby kalishnikov on Tue May 22, 2007 4:27 pm

freezie wrote:I agree with H2SY, but beeing that he his scared of YOU is another thing to consider...


But, he truely voted without knowing..and it could totally be random....


Vote: Aimless


As Serbia just said, it's your voting patterns. You tend to vote the popular vote at the moment, which is one step before bandwagoning. You tend to vote with little or no explanation, and without any really convincing arguements to sway your opinion.

I''ll be the first to admitt, I have no solid proof. That's why it's just an FOS, not a vote.


As a plain ol' townie, the only power I have is to throw around accusations till I get killed. As of right now I expect I'll be dead either next (if Serbia is protected again) or after Serbia, since Aimless went last night.

*paints target on head*

Bring it, scum. If we can kill one mafia for every townie or 2 we loose, the town will take the win.
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Postby kalishnikov on Tue May 22, 2007 4:29 pm

Crap, there was supposed to be 2 more quotes in that. I'll repost them, 1 sec.
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Postby freezie on Tue May 22, 2007 4:32 pm

Well Kahlis, thank you for quoting at least something.


I will ahve to agree, that vote against aimless was pretty badly-made. I was still in my first day of mafia. I learnt since that random votes are good to start with, and the reason I used to vote aimless that day is very obselete and stupid.

I agree, it wasn't my best show ;)


As for my other vote against aimless, I explained it. Here is the explanation:



freezie wrote:
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Serbia wrote:FOS Freezie. For reasons I'll go into in more depth later. But honestly dude, I'm sure you're scummy.



For a second time..please provide evidences..You're not helping if you don't.


Looking back at your votes... you voted me, Aim, happy... Just tell us, you're scum, aren't you.



Is that all you got? I voted you, because you seemed scummy going back and forth on voting the 3 girls.

I explained why I voted aim, and explained how I was wrong? Why you got something against me for that still?

I voted happy, because you showed some strong evidences at that time. Yet, you fail to do it against me...
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Postby kalishnikov on Tue May 22, 2007 4:39 pm

freezie wrote:I Unvote my random vote...( and bumping this thread...)

Too many people to hear still to make a correct decision now.


freezie wrote:
Serbia wrote:VOTE: Clapper

not posting enough



How about the few other players who haven't voted?

Vote: Danmagnet


These 2. Not anything to suspicious when I re-post them, but in context them seem scummy. I call into question, your motives sir. Thats all.

And again, no super-good proof. I think Serbia is picking up on the same thing though. It's a certain "scuminess" to your posts and reasoning. ALmost like trying to avoid the blame and shift it to someone else without looking guilty, but the guilt shows through a tiny bit.

Perhaps I'm off my rocker, but it's just a guess, like most things in this game.
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Postby kalishnikov on Tue May 22, 2007 4:45 pm

No problem. If I can't quote something, I don't make an accusation.

Yep, I came across that in my re-reading. And again, I have NO REAL proof (caps for the skimmers, Nagerous :)), that's why it's just an FOS. I'll thow accusations and FOS's around all day, I just don't vote till I'm damn sure, and you're far from me being sure about yet.

I thought Clapper was clean earlier and FOS'ed Serbia multiple times, as well as Aimless. I'm by no means right even regularly, just gotta get people talking...
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Postby kalishnikov on Tue May 22, 2007 4:47 pm

Serbia wrote:Kalish, what more do you got? He's lookin real bad, isn't he?


He's top on my list at the moment. I'm not gonna accuse anyone else until I see where this goes, but I've got one or 2 more I'm thinking about also.
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Postby freezie on Tue May 22, 2007 4:48 pm

I unvoted a random vote, because like most random votes, they are generally unfounded.


Dan, I showed the evidence to vote him. If you think it looks scummy, you got a problem. Here's where I explained my case against Dan:

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Danmagnet wrote:My vote for Aimless was merely going with the crowd, but the rather nervous way he seemed to weasel his way out of the sticky situation he put himself in makes me suspicious. I think Aimless panicked a bit there as he saw the newbs killing him quickly.

My vote stands.



I still find his reaction suspicious, but you stating you were going with the crowd...you were the first to vote for him...


FOS: Danmagnet




It later turned out as a vote when he couldn't explain himself.
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Postby nagerous on Tue May 22, 2007 5:20 pm

kalishnikov wrote:
nagerous wrote:ok hey guys lets wait for serbia

I guess he investigated cynthia last night

Her and freezie are looking like the main suspects at the moment


How do you know this before he posted it?

You do know that you can't discuss mafia games outside of the thread, unless your role says you can talk at night?? Which is mainly a mafia power...

It sounds to me like there's some Out Of Character discussion going on here, which pretty much ruins this game.

FOS: Serbia & Nagerous

I defended Clapper for 2 reasons:

1) I thought she was innocent, I'm a bad judge of character, doesn't make me scum...
2) she's new. I wrote her scuminess of to not being sure how to play.

One question for you Nagurous, at what point am I anti-Serbia? I supported all of his points, and was going to vote Clapper, but got beat to dropping the hammer. Are you skimming??

I've seen enough fake claims to not jump on the wagon when someone claims the cop. And why are you all of a sudden so adamant to protect him?

One last note, other people then cops can do investigations....

Seriously, somethings not right here.


ok I think you are out of line saying I am skimming when you have skimmed yourself

1) I didn't skim I read through the whole post twice

2) evidence of your skimming yes there was really some out of time talking, notice I confirmed at 6.28 the new day began at 7.02 between those hours Serbia was nowhere to be seen :roll: I presumed Serbia had investigated Cynthia by the way he had mentioned her down as possible scum several times

3) enough fake claims not to join a wagon? as far as I am aware this is your first game, unless you have played elsewhere. remember this is newbie mafia.. there is likely to be only one cop who is not paranoid/naive/insane so I would have immediately trusted his judgement

4) evidence of you undermining him

Kalishnikov:

Yea, sorry if it sounded that I implied otherwise, I choose my words poorly. It was my lame attempt at humor...



And Serbia, you've made me say "hmmm" and scratch my chin a lot in the last few posts, you're either dead-on right, or lying scum. I just can't decide which quite yet, but you do seem honest to me. One thing I do know for sure is that your hiding something, but it could just be you've got a good role (damn you, lol).

My vote stands until I hear more persuasive evidence one way or they other.


Sounds to me like you're pushing for a cop claim, which helps scum

After the cop claim... still only a FOS for clapper..
at this point even possible scum cynthia and freezie voted clapper when it is downright obvious that she was scum otherwise serbia will be in for the chop the next day.

Don't accuse me of skimming when you don't know what you are talking about
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Postby nagerous on Tue May 22, 2007 5:20 pm

the kalishnikov quote ends when I say sounds to me
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Postby nagerous on Tue May 22, 2007 5:34 pm

sorry kalishnikov but your style of play really pisses me off, you come accross as some egotistical know-it-all who never ever is wrong and whoever might threaten you you strike off as a dumbass. To me you appear very scummy and I wouldn't trust a word out of your mouth, I too would like Serbia to share his night information but I presume that he is currently playing us against each other to find out our alignments. I am also not quite sure why you are suggesting the mafia to "bring it", double bluffing maybe? However, I wait patiently on Serbia before voting any way
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Postby freezie on Tue May 22, 2007 5:44 pm

My views on khalis is quiote blurred, I don't think he is mafia, else he is doing a good job hiding it. He is trying to find some leads ( even thought he is wrong right now ), but at least trying.


The most suspicious to me is Serbia right now, for NOT showing his investigation of last ngiht ( false cop claim anyone? ) and saying to everyone to bandwagon on me without showing evidences to what I said that made him suspect me.
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Postby freezie on Tue May 22, 2007 6:57 pm

freezie wrote:Nagerous, exactly WHY do I look scummy? I was wrong on aim's case, I agree. But I tried something...like he ( and *cough DA MOD cough* ) I was expecting him to die quickly, and he lasted till here...

Now..I am clueless, let's wait for serbia's word before doing something else.




Actually, I used the wrong quote in my explanation of my vote that turned out wrong against aimless.

This is the right quote, sorry for the confusion. Though the other quote still shows how I answered serbia's only accusations against me.
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Postby Serbia on Tue May 22, 2007 8:59 pm

Only four people are posting. Where is the rest of the town? Hmm???

And I AM the cop, and I'll give up my info when I'm good and ready.
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