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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby strike wolf on Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:43 pm

Army of GOD wrote:I love Oberyn but holy shit that was an awesome death.

Definitely going to see a Hound/Mountain showdown.



Also, I bet people are like "why didn't Oberyn just kill him?" but what he did was completely true to character. Also, Oberyn will get his wish as the Hound is gonna kill the Mountain after he confessed...


It was. Notice how nervous Tywin was before The Mountain turned the tables?
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby patches70 on Sun Jun 01, 2014 11:11 pm

Army of GOD wrote:I love Oberyn but holy shit that was an awesome death.

Definitely going to see a Hound/Mountain showdown.





Hey, you may be right, maybe there will be a showdown eventually between The Mountain and The Hound, who else will be able to kill The Mountain if not The Hound?

However, do you know why they call Oberyn "The Red Viper"?


AoG wrote:Also, I bet people are like "why didn't Oberyn just kill him?" but what he did was completely true to character.

It certainly was, as that's the only thing that Oberyn cared about. That might cause a few problems for Tywin. Up until this point it's always been rumor, not necessarily fact what The Mountain did to Oberyn's sister and her children. Tywin always had plausible deniability in that regard. Now? Not so much....

Will it matter? I have no idea. But Tywin's a good politician, he'll deal with any repercussions from these events with tactical genius and strategery.

Poor Tyrion, but my oh my there are going to be some rather unhappy Martells.


But I have to ask, AoG-

AoG wrote:Oberyn will get his wish as the Hound is gonna kill the Mountain after he confessed...


Elaborate.


Why would The Hound care whether or not The Mountain confessed? I figure The Hound wants to kill The Mountain just because. Oberyn I don't think means much of anything to The Hound and The Hound already knows his brother is a real POS. It's not like The Mountain's actions during the rebellion is going to make The Hound any more hate filled toward his brother. What's The Mountain's confession got to do with it?

I am going to miss Pablo Pascal though, he was great at playing Oberyn. I'll miss Oberyn as well, he was very interesting and he was quite the bad ass in the fight. He took The Mountain down quick as shit. Only Oberyn's thirst for revenge was his flaw, his fatal flaw.


strikewolf wrote:Moat Cailyn after being taken over by the Ironborn was originally under the direct control of Theon's sister Yara (Asha in the books) but she left it for reasons that have been strangely omitted in the show so far.


Not omitted, simply not revealed why she's left, yet.... ;)

strikewolf wrote:So Arya has actually reached the Vale? That's not even close to canon.


I know, right? But I like that they've deviated from the books a bit, keeps us on our toes. Besides, if Arya hadn't reached the Vale then she'd never have had that simply outstanding reaction she had when she found out her aunt was dead.

I must confess, I laughed my ass off at how Arya reacted. I think it may be possible that they deviated from the books in this case to just be able to have Arya deliver that line.

Vale Knight: I'm sorry, child, but your aunt is dead.
Arya: Hahahahaha!
The Hound: <Stares incoherently with a dumbfounded look of "WTF?">


Outstanding! Bwahahaha!
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby strike wolf on Sun Jun 01, 2014 11:34 pm

Omitted so far. I doubt they would deviate so far from the story as to never show it but it has yet to happen.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby Army of GOD on Sun Jun 01, 2014 11:56 pm

patches70 wrote:
AoG wrote:Oberyn will get his wish as the Hound is gonna kill the Mountain after he confessed...


Elaborate.


Why would The Hound care whether or not The Mountain confessed? I figure The Hound wants to kill The Mountain just because. Oberyn I don't think means much of anything to The Hound and The Hound already knows his brother is a real POS. It's not like The Mountain's actions during the rebellion is going to make The Hound any more hate filled toward his brother. What's The Mountain's confession got to do with it?


Haha because technically the Mountain DID just confess it, during the fight. Not saying the Hound cares.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby strike wolf on Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:01 am

Yeah. True enough that Oberyn got just what he wanted technically.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby patches70 on Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:57 am

strike wolf wrote:Omitted so far. I doubt they would deviate so far from the story as to never show it but it has yet to happen.



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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby Gillipig on Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:45 am

The TV series is starting to deviate further and further from the books, Arya coming to the Vale, Lysa's death blamed on suicide etc, sometimes it's good but a lot of times I think it's unnecesary. Take Lysa's death for example, in the book it was the singer, the court entertainer who was blamed for pushing Lysa out of the moon door. He was not even in the TV series but he was the only witness except Sansa that saw what happened. They had a trial and everything. I think the TV series are selling Baelish short, in the book he ordered the guards who came rushing in to seize the singer, then he instructed Sansa exactly what to say and do, and then he managed to get the singer convicted for murder even though it was a pretty ridicoulus scenario. In the TV series Baelish didn't tell Sansa what to do, she improvised her story, he was lucky she sided with him, and he didn't get a man falsely convicted for the murder he committed. In the book you really got a sense of how powerful, calculating and manipulative Baelish is, in the TV series he appears to not be able to handle the situation, he has no real plan and didn't even instruct Sansa what to say and do, even though he knew they would want to speak to her as she was a witness.
In the books the murder of Lysa was his shining moment, the moment when you first realised, wow, this Baelish guy is really dangerous. They butchered that moment in the TV series.
I also can't remember the Mountain being so slow with his swings in the books, Oberyn was the swifter guy but he appeared owerpowered and in constant risk of dying in duel the way the book told it. The Mountain in the books is a much more dangerous fighter, here he's just a big clumsy guy with freakish strength who got lucky.
On a side note, if the actor who plays Oberyn did those stunt tricks with the spear and the acrobatic jumps himself, he's bloody amazing!
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby betiko on Mon Jun 02, 2014 6:09 am

Wow! Best episode of the season by far!!!!!!!

-daenerys: has officially turned from neutral good to an unfair nuts bitch

-Sansa: She is officially a woman. Holly shit! They did just the preview to missguide you on the episode 8. I didn't see that comming. She just went from lame to completely awesome!!!!!!
Bicely done by Martin. I think lord baelish wetted his pants today.

-Ramsey: He officially became a Bolton. Thanks for explaining about the Reed and the swamps Strike. I was a bit lost with that maot caylin, this has been done poorly I guess, don't know if it's for additional intrigue in the show but that castle and storyline kind of came from nowhere. Is anybody else thinking theon's storyline makes absolutely no sense?

-Arya: She officially loves ironies. Very funny scene. So I guess as always the starks are not going to meet... hope not, it's getting a bit ridiculous that there has been so many ocasions where they've all been really close from meeting and they don't.

-Oberyn: he is officially dead. Very good plot again! After episode 7 my first thought was that the mountain would win, then you guys kind of convinced me of the opposite. patches with the whole poisoning stuff... Well I guess now time will come for the 7 daughters of oberyn to come into play. My thought is that maybe his spear was poisoned. In that case, the mountain is actually dead too. So it's a tie. No judgement can be made; but at the same time if the mountain got poisoned, it would be very easy for tyrion to plead that oberyn was the one to poison joffrey. It would all just add up so perfectly. Tyrion could be freed and back with an vengence. Pure speculations, but I think it would work out great.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby betiko on Mon Jun 02, 2014 6:19 am

Gillipig wrote:The TV series is starting to deviate further and further from the books, Arya coming to the Vale, Lysa's death blamed on suicide etc, sometimes it's good but a lot of times I think it's unnecesary. Take Lysa's death for example, in the book it was the singer, the court entertainer who was blamed for pushing Lysa out of the moon door. He was not even in the TV series but he was the only witness except Sansa that saw what happened. They had a trial and everything. I think the TV series are selling Baelish short, in the book he ordered the guards who came rushing in to seize the singer, then he instructed Sansa exactly what to say and do, and then he managed to get the singer convicted for murder even though it was a pretty ridicoulus scenario. In the TV series Baelish didn't tell Sansa what to do, she improvised her story, he was lucky she sided with him, and he didn't get a man falsely convicted for the murder he committed. In the book you really got a sense of how powerful, calculating and manipulative Baelish is, in the TV series he appears to not be able to handle the situation, he has no real plan and didn't even instruct Sansa what to say and do, even though he knew they would want to speak to her as she was a witness.
In the books the murder of Lysa was his shining moment, the moment when you first realised, wow, this Baelish guy is really dangerous. They butchered that moment in the TV series.
I also can't remember the Mountain being so slow with his swings in the books, Oberyn was the swifter guy but he appeared owerpowered and in constant risk of dying in duel the way the book told it. The Mountain in the books is a much more dangerous fighter, here he's just a big clumsy guy with freakish strength who got lucky.
On a side note, if the actor who plays Oberyn did those stunt tricks with the spear and the acrobatic jumps himself, he's bloody amazing!


well personally; i really loved the way it turns out in the sansa petyr plot. Littlefinger is probably depicted as much less machiavelical evil in the show from what I understand. Sansa was crap up till now; it turns out great for the story this way. I prefer the show s rewrite on this.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby Gillipig on Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:01 pm

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Gillipig wrote:The TV series is starting to deviate further and further from the books, Arya coming to the Vale, Lysa's death blamed on suicide etc, sometimes it's good but a lot of times I think it's unnecesary. Take Lysa's death for example, in the book it was the singer, the court entertainer who was blamed for pushing Lysa out of the moon door. He was not even in the TV series but he was the only witness except Sansa that saw what happened. They had a trial and everything. I think the TV series are selling Baelish short, in the book he ordered the guards who came rushing in to seize the singer, then he instructed Sansa exactly what to say and do, and then he managed to get the singer convicted for murder even though it was a pretty ridicoulus scenario. In the TV series Baelish didn't tell Sansa what to do, she improvised her story, he was lucky she sided with him, and he didn't get a man falsely convicted for the murder he committed. In the book you really got a sense of how powerful, calculating and manipulative Baelish is, in the TV series he appears to not be able to handle the situation, he has no real plan and didn't even instruct Sansa what to say and do, even though he knew they would want to speak to her as she was a witness.
In the books the murder of Lysa was his shining moment, the moment when you first realised, wow, this Baelish guy is really dangerous. They butchered that moment in the TV series.
I also can't remember the Mountain being so slow with his swings in the books, Oberyn was the swifter guy but he appeared owerpowered and in constant risk of dying in duel the way the book told it. The Mountain in the books is a much more dangerous fighter, here he's just a big clumsy guy with freakish strength who got lucky.
On a side note, if the actor who plays Oberyn did those stunt tricks with the spear and the acrobatic jumps himself, he's bloody amazing!


well personally; i really loved the way it turns out in the sansa petyr plot. Littlefinger is probably depicted as much less machiavelical evil in the show from what I understand. Sansa was crap up till now; it turns out great for the story this way. I prefer the show s rewrite on this.

It's hard for you to say you prefer it over the book because you haven't read the book, only my brief summary of it which just isn't the same as reading it in context, lol. I'd be very surprised if any of the book readers here said they favoured the way Lysa's death was handled in the TV series over the book, so here's their chance to surprise me (looking at you strikewolf and patches).
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby betiko on Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:04 pm

When you say Lysa's death, you include until Sansa's play right? Don't you think Sansa is really reinforced as a major character after this?
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby Gillipig on Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:21 pm

betiko wrote:When you say Lysa's death, you include until Sansa's play right? Don't you think Sansa is really reinforced as a major character after this?

Yes, and she becomes that, it's one of the effects the change from book to TV brought about, her manipulativeness is there in the book as well though, only Baelish teaches her through his instructions of how she should handle the trial and lying etc. Here it appears she taught herself and improvised, of course that makes her a more powerful and independent character, but it takes away the influence of Baelish and makes him a weaker character, and so that's what I don't like about it.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby patches70 on Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:46 pm

Gillipig wrote:I'd be very surprised if any of the book readers here said they favoured the way Lysa's death was handled in the TV series over the book, so here's their chance to surprise me (looking at you strikewolf and patches).


No surprise here, gillipig. Lysa's death wasn't handled right in the show, IMO.

In the show Lysa goes screaming to her death like a cartoon character.

It would have been better if Littlefinger had whispered in her ear at the very end "Only Cat" like he did in the book before pushing her. In that very brief instant Lysa would have finally realized exactly how badly she was used by Littlefinger, to murder her own husband, to start a war in which tens of thousands of people are killed, displaced, Westeros in ruins. She would have understood finally what she'd truly done. Ned's death, Cat's death, Rob's death, her part in all that.

And instead of falling screaming like a banshee, Lysa should have been portrayed as falling in shocked silence. As if the actual fall wasn't even in her mind at all, only the knowledge and that short contemplation of her sad role in all that has happened. Her looking up through the Moondoor and seeing Littlefinger there, smiling softly.

I think that would have had the greater impact. I think the way she died, screaming and freaking out like she was, made people kinda laugh at her and think "You getting what you deserve, biatch". It distracted from the real point. Indeed, she was getting what she sowed, but she was really just a pawn. It would have been nice to show her finally come to that realization just before she inherited the earth.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby Gillipig on Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:49 pm

patches70 wrote:
Gillipig wrote:I'd be very surprised if any of the book readers here said they favoured the way Lysa's death was handled in the TV series over the book, so here's their chance to surprise me (looking at you strikewolf and patches).


Lysa's death wasn't handled right in the show, IMO.

In the show Lysa goes screaming to her death like a cartoon character.

It would have been better if Littlefinger had whispered in her ear at the very end "Only Cat" like he did in the book before pushing her. In that very brief instant Lysa would have finally realized exactly how badly she was used by Littlefinger, to murder her own husband, to start a war in which tens of thousands of people are killed, displaced, Westeros in ruins. She would have understood finally what she'd truly done. Ned's death, Cat's death, Rob's death, her part in all that.

And instead of falling screaming like a banshee, Lysa should have been portrayed as falling in shocked silence. As if the actual fall wasn't even in her mind at all, only the knowledge and that short contemplation of her sad role in all that has happened. Her looking up through the Moondoor and seeing Littlefinger there, smiling softly.

I think that would have had the greater impact. I think the way she died, screaming and freaking out like she was, made people kinda laugh at her and think "You getting what you deserve, biatch". It distracted from the real point. Indeed, she was getting what she sowed, but she was really just a pawn. It would have been nice to show her finally come to that realization just before she inherited the earth.

Agreed, what did you think of the aftermath? The singer/"court entertainer" not being there in the show and it being labelled as suicide, and Baelish not convincing Sansa to lie but rather Sansa improvising?
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby patches70 on Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:07 pm

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patches70 wrote:
Gillipig wrote:I'd be very surprised if any of the book readers here said they favoured the way Lysa's death was handled in the TV series over the book, so here's their chance to surprise me (looking at you strikewolf and patches).


Lysa's death wasn't handled right in the show, IMO.

In the show Lysa goes screaming to her death like a cartoon character.

It would have been better if Littlefinger had whispered in her ear at the very end "Only Cat" like he did in the book before pushing her. In that very brief instant Lysa would have finally realized exactly how badly she was used by Littlefinger, to murder her own husband, to start a war in which tens of thousands of people are killed, displaced, Westeros in ruins. She would have understood finally what she'd truly done. Ned's death, Cat's death, Rob's death, her part in all that.

And instead of falling screaming like a banshee, Lysa should have been portrayed as falling in shocked silence. As if the actual fall wasn't even in her mind at all, only the knowledge and that short contemplation of her sad role in all that has happened. Her looking up through the Moondoor and seeing Littlefinger there, smiling softly.

I think that would have had the greater impact. I think the way she died, screaming and freaking out like she was, made people kinda laugh at her and think "You getting what you deserve, biatch". It distracted from the real point. Indeed, she was getting what she sowed, but she was really just a pawn. It would have been nice to show her finally come to that realization just before she inherited the earth.

Agreed, what did you think of the aftermath? The singer/"court entertainer" not being there in the show and it being labelled as suicide, and Baelish not convincing Sansa to lie but rather Sansa improvising?


I agree with you on the issue with Sansa. Indeed, it makes Littlefinger a weaker character, distracts from his true vileness. I don't really care much either way about the singer vs the suicide story. Doesn't make much difference either way.

Sansa though, to be fair, has been playing a part for a long time, wearing a mask. In King's Landing she wore a different mask. How if ever the subject of Jeoffrey comes up she is all like -"He is a just King, my father was a traitor" and such. How reluctant she was to ever voice her true feelings, and with good reason. She knew she had to give the false pretenses, to survive.
Now in the Vale circumstances have changed, now she wears a different mask.

She's good at playing the Game as well, and I think even Littlefinger has underestimated how well she is playing the Game.

Don't forget one of the Old Wood Witch's prophecies about Sansa, one has come true, the other yet to come true. Sansa is not someone to be trifled with, she can be devious beyond measure. I'm just not sure if she's evil like Littlefinger or if she's working toward another end.

I guess we'll see eventually. But I am interested very much in her role in the second part of the prophecy about her. I have no idea what it means, but I want to find out very much. So many possibilities. I suspect she may be the end of Littlefinger when it's all said and done, but then again, it's GoT. Anything can happen. She might be the perfect partner for Littlefinger.

The Stark sisters are going on one heck of a strange journey, every bit as strange as young Bran's and Jon's. It's fun to watch it all unfold.

One thing's for certain, Sansa is not nearly as timid, foolish or naive as she once was and was so often to pretend to be. She's growing up in a hurry. What she's growing into (besides being ever hotter and hotter) remains to be seen.

I think Sansa's metamorphosis is probably progressing faster in the TV series than in the books.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby betiko on Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:25 pm

Well that s the thing, they are changing the angle of sansa and baelish. I prefer the angle of the show.
As a show watcher, for me baelish+sansa are likeable characters and could work out well together. It s not like sansa is in love of anyone in the realm. She d rather be with baelish than robin I guess.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby Gillipig on Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:27 pm

patches70 wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
patches70 wrote:
Gillipig wrote:I'd be very surprised if any of the book readers here said they favoured the way Lysa's death was handled in the TV series over the book, so here's their chance to surprise me (looking at you strikewolf and patches).


Lysa's death wasn't handled right in the show, IMO.

In the show Lysa goes screaming to her death like a cartoon character.

It would have been better if Littlefinger had whispered in her ear at the very end "Only Cat" like he did in the book before pushing her. In that very brief instant Lysa would have finally realized exactly how badly she was used by Littlefinger, to murder her own husband, to start a war in which tens of thousands of people are killed, displaced, Westeros in ruins. She would have understood finally what she'd truly done. Ned's death, Cat's death, Rob's death, her part in all that.

And instead of falling screaming like a banshee, Lysa should have been portrayed as falling in shocked silence. As if the actual fall wasn't even in her mind at all, only the knowledge and that short contemplation of her sad role in all that has happened. Her looking up through the Moondoor and seeing Littlefinger there, smiling softly.

I think that would have had the greater impact. I think the way she died, screaming and freaking out like she was, made people kinda laugh at her and think "You getting what you deserve, biatch". It distracted from the real point. Indeed, she was getting what she sowed, but she was really just a pawn. It would have been nice to show her finally come to that realization just before she inherited the earth.

Agreed, what did you think of the aftermath? The singer/"court entertainer" not being there in the show and it being labelled as suicide, and Baelish not convincing Sansa to lie but rather Sansa improvising?


I agree with you on the issue with Sansa. Indeed, it makes Littlefinger a weaker character, distracts from his true vileness. I don't really care much either way about the singer vs the suicide story. Doesn't make much difference either way.

Sansa though, to be fair, has been playing a part for a long time, wearing a mask. In King's Landing she wore a different mask. How if ever the subject of Jeoffrey comes up she is all like -"He is a just King, my father was a traitor" and such. How reluctant she was to ever voice her true feelings, and with good reason. She knew she had to give the false pretenses, to survive.
Now in the Vale circumstances have changed, now she wears a different mask.

She's good at playing the Game as well, and I think even Littlefinger has underestimated how well she is playing the Game.

Don't forget one of the Old Wood Witch's prophecies about Sansa, one has come true, the other yet to come true. Sansa is not someone to be trifled with, she can be devious beyond measure. I'm just not sure if she's evil like Littlefinger or if she's working toward another end.

I guess we'll see eventually. But I am interested very much in her role in the second part of the prophecy about her. I have no idea what it means, but I want to find out very much. So many possibilities. I suspect she may be the end of Littlefinger when it's all said and done, but then again, it's GoT. Anything can happen. She might be the perfect partner for Littlefinger.

The Stark sisters are going on one heck of a strange journey, every bit as strange as young Bran's and Jon's. It's fun to watch it all unfold.

One thing's for certain, Sansa is not nearly as timid, foolish or naive as she once was and was so often to pretend to be. She's growing up in a hurry. What she's growing into (besides being ever hotter and hotter) remains to be seen.

I think Sansa's metamorphosis is probably progressing faster in the TV series than in the books.

The last paragraph is very true I think, in the book Baelish taught her how to be more manipulative, in the show she was already manipulative when she came to him, the difference was that she now had a chance of displaying it. So that's a difference, it makes Sansa a stronger character than in the book and also Baelish a weaker one beacuse he won't have turning innocent Sansa into someone more like himelf on his resume.
What I don't like about the singer's absence is that it changed the dynamics and removed certain plots that went to show how powerful Baelish really is. I remember quite vividly when Baelish ordered the guards to seize the innocent singer when it was really he who should be arrested, and they did so without question. I remember when the singer was tortured to such an extent that he willingly confessed to murdering Lysa just so that the torture would stop. Baelish even made him confess in front of the other lords and ladies so that there would be no doubt in their minds that he did it and Baelish was not to blame. He almost attained a Tywin like power in these events and really showed what he is capable of. The murder of Lysa Arryn solidified Baelish as one of the most dangerous and capable people in the realm, but in the show it's completely different, it's no longer Baelish moment, it's Sansa's moment. I'm all for Sansa having her moments, but to rewrite Baelish great moment like that? It doesn't feel right.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby strike wolf on Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:52 pm

I am mostly against how they handled it. It actually goes against Sansa's normal naivete.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby patches70 on Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:56 pm

Gillipig wrote: The murder of Lysa Arryn solidified Baelish as one of the most dangerous and capable people in the realm, but in the show it's completely different, it's no longer Baelish moment, it's Sansa's moment. I'm all for Sansa having her moments, but to rewrite Baelish great moment like that? It doesn't feel right.


You are right about that. The show hasn't done justice to how manipulative Littlefinger really is. It doesn't feel right, if one has read the books.
And I for one am of the firm belief that Littlefinger is the true badguy in the series, but that doesn't translate so well in the show.

The show just can't capture all the nuances that the books hold. For myself, I try not to let the books ruin my experience with the show. The show is great and I kinda like it when it deviates some from the books. Gives me stuff to speculate about and surprises. It just wouldn't do to know everything that's going to happen ahead of time.

One thing you have to take into account, gillipig, is that Martin has revealed how it all ends to the show's producers. They know what's going to happen to Sansa, Arya, Littlefinger and everyone else. And to that end the show will progress. The paths will be slightly different, but the end destination will still be the same.
I'm willing to bet, if we look close enough and surely with the gift of hindsight when the books are all finished (if they ever get finished) we will see the clues in the show to those ends even though the books haven't yet finished.


betiko wrote:She d rather be with baelish than robin I guess.


I think Sansa would rather be in control of her own destiny rather than under the control of anyone else. She's lost that naive, wistful romanticizing about court, knights, Lords and Ladies. And I think it would be a cold day in hell before Sansa let anyone force her to marry Sweetrobin, no matter what anyone else tells her to do. Not now, not after all she's been through. If she marries Sweetrobin it'll be because Sansa has decided that's what she wants to do, for whatever end it is that she is heading to.

betiko, you remember way back when, Cersi is kinda messing with Sansa one time. Telling Sansa that women have a weapon, their pussy. Manipulation, such things. Sansa has been quietly listening and learning all this time and learn she has. She's been an excellent student and in the books she is becoming the teacher, even to Littlefinger in some ways. In the show she's hitting that role very quickly compared to the books.

betiko wrote: for me baelish+sansa are likeable characters


I think that's where gillipig is getting somewhat frustrated with about the show. Littlefinger is not a likable character in the books. I cannot stress how bad he is without spoiling things. Littlefinger isn't supposed to be a likable character, at least from the book's perspective.
And that is contributing to gillipig's feelings of "it doesn't feel right" I think. And I can certainly understand where gillipig is coming from in that regard. I'm frustrated when I see you thinking Littlefinger is a likable character! Hahaha!

But it's all good.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby strike wolf on Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:07 pm

In response to what Patches asked me earlier:

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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby patches70 on Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:51 pm

strike wolf wrote:In response to what Patches asked me earlier:

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Well, the next episode, "The Watchers on the Wall" will be like the Blackwater episode of season 2 I think. It's going to be one hell of a huge battle. 102 nightwatch vs some 100,000 wildlings? Hahaha. How 'bout dem odds?

Or, maybe it won't be that battle. I don't know, but I think most of the episode is happening at The Wall. The episode synopsis says-

"Jon and the nightwatch face a big challenge" with no other mention of any other story lines.


And the last episode, "The Children" to finish out the season. Synopsis of this episode is-
"Circumstances change after an unexpected arrival from north of the Wall. Dany must face harsh realities. Bran learns more about his destiny. Tyrion sees the truth about his situation."


Looks like the usual layout for GoT series, 9th episode has a big battle or shocking revelation while the season finale is more of a "mopping up" of the season.

There are ten characters who have not yet appeared this season but were slated to. Like Osha, Rickon, Mance Rayder along with seven other characters who are new. Of those seven only three have been identified yet. Goatherd, Braavosi Captain and Mag Mar Tun Doh Weg (who will be a cool appearance and is AKA Mag the Mighty).

The other four characters are TBA. In regards to these characters, lets play a little game. I'll show you a picture of the actor's who are playing these yet to be announced characters and see if anyone can guess who they will be playing. Or at least guess what storyline they will be associated with.

First one is, Octavia Alexandru-

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Number two is, Hoki Fortuna-

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Number three is, Struan Rodger-

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and number four is, Alice Hewkin-

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Who is playing Mag Mar hasn't been announced. So don't guess him(?) for any of those four actors.

These ten actors/characters will be appearing in one or both of these last two episodes. Hell, for all I know, though, is that these four latter actors will just be background characters.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby denominator on Mon Jun 02, 2014 6:31 pm

Gillipig wrote:Agreed, what did you think of the aftermath? The singer/"court entertainer" not being there in the show and it being labelled as suicide, and Baelish not convincing Sansa to lie but rather Sansa improvising?


The singer (Marillion) was in the show, back in Season 1. He was definitely part of Catelyn and Tyrion's journey out to The Eyrie, but I'm not sure what exactly happened to him after that. I may be mistaken, but I think he may have been the singer that reappeared in King's Landing that Joffrey gave the choice of removing either his tongue or his hand.

Either way, my guess is that it simply complicated the story too much for the TV show. In general, I felt they really rushed the Sansa storyline this season, unlike others (Stannis, Jon, Danaerys) that they've slowed down.

As for the Arya storyline, it makes sense the way they've gone in the TV show. Again, stretched out in contrast to other storylines, but now it really gives both those characters nowhere to go. I assume they'll turn away and things will now progress like they do in the books, but I think adding this works in the context of the show.

I'm also guessing we have a big battle next week, and then the closure to Tyrion's storyline in Episode 10.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby patches70 on Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:24 pm

Gwendoline Christie, who plays Brienne of Tarth on GoT, has been cast in the new upcoming Star Wars movie, episode 7. Maybe she'll play a Jedi.




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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby patches70 on Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:26 pm

denominator wrote:I'm also guessing we have a big battle next week, and then the closure to Tyrion's storyline in Episode 10.


Closure. Heh heh.

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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby strike wolf on Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:34 pm

patches70 wrote:Gwendoline Christie, who plays Brienne of Tarth on GoT, has been cast in the new upcoming Star Wars movie, episode 7. Maybe she'll play a Jedi.




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She would make a good wookie too...just saying.

Oh and I remember now how the Lysa Arryn death scene was more dramatic now in the book. It wasn't just because of Marillion but how they did it too. In the books, when Lysa is about to throw Sansa out the Moon Door but is interrupted by Petyr, she turns to him, pleading for him to tell her that he loves her. She reminds him of all the things she did for him including poisoning Jon Arryn (the first we hear of it in the books) and then when she begs him to tell her that she is the one he loves that he only ever loved one, he replies. "Of course I've only ever loved one." She smiles. "Your sister." She frowns and then screams as he pushes her out the moon door. Petyr turns and points to Marillion before what has happened can even fully register what just happened. Petyr yells "Guards seize him! He has murdered our Lady Arryn!"
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