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Why has CC lost 20-25% of its membership?

 
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Re: 19750 members and dropping

Postby jbrettlip on Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:21 am

While I think the mods are very heavy headed and do things on a whim, I didn't come to the forums for months after I bought premium.

I think the gameplay can be intimidating. Maps should be organized into difficulties. New users should not be allowed to play different game types (term, assassin, freestyle) until they have completed some games. Give newcomers a few 1v1's or three player on geographic maps (which is the true KSIR experience) to get hooked.(Since these games move so fast) Then let thme dip their toes into the deeper end of the pool.

But you don't need me to give you suggestions. Community moderation is what has built this site into a million dollar business.
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Re: 19750 members and dropping

Postby KoolBak on Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:29 am

A million dollar business? Wow.....congrats lack :D lol
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Re: 19750 members and dropping

Postby max is gr8 on Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:43 am

I'd say that this site is worth more than a million with the current amount of premium if even 10,000 buy premi a year it'd be 250,000 dollars made meaning a million dollar purchasing would be 4 year return, however not sure about some of the expenditures
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Re: 19750 members and dropping

Postby jbrettlip on Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:56 am

you obviosly haven;t seen Twill's bragging on the other site.
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Re: 19750 members and dropping

Postby GabonX on Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:59 am

I think the answer is obvious...

6,000 people quit because of Dancing Mustard being punished :mrgreen:
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Re: 19750 members and dropping

Postby KoolBak on Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:18 pm

jbrettlip wrote:you obviosly haven;t seen Twill's bragging on the other site.


You are correct, my Texan brother.......please enlighten me!!!!!!!
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Re: 19750 members and dropping

Postby PLAYER57832 on Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:32 pm

timmytuttut88 wrote:Well CC has managed to lose 20-25% of their monthly active users considering I remember when they had 25000+. Why do you think that is?


I did not see any of what I consider prime reasons:

The biggest reason, though it really has NO validity, is the persistant idea that the "dice are skewed". Basically, there is a significant portion of the population (largely younger) who's logic goes " I lost .. I cannot blame myself (I am too good,always win against my friends, am just generally smart), so
it "must" be skewed dice/poorly designed maps, etc. In some cases, these are individuals who might have actually had an unusual unlucky streak and who don't understand statistic a lick (so think that random means I should win at least 50% of my games). I think CC has done about all it can to teach stats, etc. The good news is that some may actually learn statistics and come back ... but truly, CC is probably just better off without these generally poor sports.

The 2 biggest [b]real/preventable reasons [/b]:

1. Tired of playing Risk, tired of the time it takes.

After a while folks just get tired of anything. Risk is "addicting", but that attraction is also a downfall. When logging in day after day becomes a burden instead of a fun thing you look forward to ... you leave.

I am not sure there really is an answer to this. More maps, variety certainly help. The forums help, too. The more variety, the more ways to "catch" people, the more chance they will keep interested. I know I have thought of quitting at several points, but then would find a new map, a new discussion thread ... etc.


2./3. (note sure which is first) Disgust with certain players. I put this in the "preventable' column, but I am not really sure how to accomplish this. This really includes a whole range of issues .. language, playing style, forum bans or lack of bans, etc.


2./3. lack of games a person likes.

Ironically, the same variety that attracts many will take away from others. BUT, there are other issues. In freestyle, for example, particularly speed type games, there seem to be a few "bad eggs" who join a game, have 100 people on their ignore lists and effectively ensure that no one else can join that game. There are certain ranks (high and low) who have difficulty finding players at their skill level.


Some of this is caused by the above issue. Though the "foe list" works to a point, if someone encounters too many "bad" players (however they define that) They may stay with just private games. That reduces the open games available to everyone.
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Re: 19750 members and dropping

Postby Johnny Rockets on Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:33 pm

1) No clasic, no Risk. That bullshit move by Hasbro had an impact, and now new users have to start with look a like maps instead of the real thing. No familier feel = Feeling like you start out at a disadvantage....wich does not encourage a % of fremiums to persevere.

2) Noob Mods who over react because they feel if they don't stomp on every precieved infraction the slippery slope of loss of control will make them look foolish. Mustard is a clasic example of this.

3) Feedback system and Rank. If you broke down a players victories by rank of opponent like they do their recieved ratings, you could get a clear view on how that rank was earned. Thus you could see a farmer, or a true warrior. The feedback system was fine the way it was, just to cumbersome to oversee. Put more labour into the old system and you would have somthing that gave you an accurate snapshot of the quality of opponent.

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Re: 19750 members and dropping

Postby Night Strike on Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:47 pm

barterer2002 wrote:So here is a question. You're contending that the scoreboard used to list 2500 players and now lists 19750? How does someone get off the scoreboard except by a ban/bust? Even players that aren't active are still listed on the scoreboard. Is it possible that they just cleaned up a bunch of players who were busted over the past 6 years or so or that you're 2500 number is incorrect (or both).

Maybe I'm not understanding how the scoreboard works and someone can correct me but at the moment, I'm rejecting your general premise.


A member that has not had a completed game in the last 30 days is not shown on the Scoreboard. Busts do remove the player from the scoreboard, but that wouldn't have accounted for 25000 members. Besides, was the site ever actually up that high?? I don't think the scoreboard ever had 100 pages (250 members per page). I think the highest was probably about 22500 active users.

azezzo wrote:I joined this site after googling online risk and C.C. came up as the result of the search. they had their disclamers that this was different than "risk"., but the map was the map with the same terminology and game play. i did not look and say wow, they have 88 variations of risk, how cool. I said great they have risk, call it classic, call it whatever. I used to play 70+ games at a time, now about a dozen and 8 are a private tourney.


I just googled the phrase "Online Risk" and ConquerClub was the 5th link on the page. I believe lack is working on ways to improve the front page, but I don't know what he's planning for it.
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Re: 19750 members and dropping

Postby jbrettlip on Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:55 pm

Get the new classic off the front page. That would be a huge help. If I came here looking for risk, I would leave when I saw that. Put Europe, NA, and World 2.1 up there to stoke interest.
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Re: 19750 members and dropping

Postby Knight2254 on Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:22 pm

jbrettlip wrote:Get the new classic off the front page. That would be a huge help. If I came here looking for risk, I would leave when I saw that. Put Europe, NA, and World 2.1 up there to stoke interest.



Couldn't agree more. 2.1 would be a great alternative to the current map.
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Re: 19750 members and dropping

Postby MostMackinest on Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:25 pm

My only gripe about the site is that it has become much slower since I joined in Jan 07. And I've played on many different platforms and servers.
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Re: 19750 members and dropping

Postby THE ARMY on Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:27 pm

I agree with everything on this particular post.
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joecoolfrog wrote:Partly its the loss of classic, many people enjoy playing risk and you cannot any more, partly its the amount of cheats, multis and farmers who have discredited the achievement of getting a high rank.

Agree, and would emphasize the loss of classic; some players like complex maps, but many enjoy complex strategy on very well known maps (war games are played on MAPS, not artists or symbols)!
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Re: 19750 members and dropping

Postby The Neon Peon on Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:42 pm

I personally do not understand how classic is really a loss, or why people continue to play on it.

The gameplay is not exactly amazing (in my opinion) seeing as there are bottlenecks as you move from South America - North America, North America - Europe, North America - Asia, and Australia - Asia. This makes the bonus of Australia very powerful, seeing as there is only one territory to defend. For 1v1s, the map is so small that is all based on luck, and who gets a drop in Australia or South America.

There are plenty of maps with the same amount of territories, so that must not be a major factor in why people still play it.

The Map(s) have the worst graphics on the site now, not exactly an incentive to play on it.

That is just my view of the map. Something that was made a long time ago, and since then, been changed for the worse. That change makes it probably by far the inferior to other maps that have been created, and since you can purchase the original for a few dollars, I do not see why people don't just find a new map, and play on that one.
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Re: 19750 members and dropping

Postby spaceghst44 on Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:04 pm

I think it has to do with the lack of porn.
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Re: 19750 members and dropping

Postby timmytuttut88 on Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:22 pm

Night Strike wrote:A member that has not had a completed game in the last 30 days is not shown on the Scoreboard. Busts do remove the player from the scoreboard, but that wouldn't have accounted for 25000 members. Besides, was the site ever actually up that high?? I don't think the scoreboard ever had 100 pages (250 members per page). I think the highest was probably about 22500 active users.

Well Twill said that they had 23000+ a month ago. I remember at CC's peak (probably april-july) their being at least 24000 or more. And considering how I left the site may-june I assumed the number had inflated to 25000+. But trust me, I don't keep track.
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Re: 19750 members and dropping

Postby Iron Butterfly on Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:23 pm

whitestazn88 wrote:
timmytuttut88 wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:OMFG you mean there are less then 20,000 people for me to play?? Ill be really shaken when there are a little less then 19,000..the horror..the horror.

Wow we've got ourselves a character here? You don't think that some sort of statement is being made when the sites membership goes from 25000 to 19750? So you must have also thought nothing happened when Dow Jones plunged from 10000+ down to 8000. Keep in mind that the conquerclub user plunge is something farely recent. It's not like this has been happening slowly over time, this is a plunge.


he probably farms, thats why he's so non challant about the situation...

plus with only 115 posts, his opinion doesnt matter. everyone knows you have to be in the 750 club before people pay attention to you


LOL and you being a twostripe freemium your opinion does?

To both of you...I enjoy playing CC and recognize what is and is not out of my control. I enjoy the site and many folks personalities as well. But this whole"Oh my God what shall we do mentality" serves no purpose. I play the game with my friends. I play anywhere between 10 to 20 games at a time and have no trouble filling them.

My life is to busy and important to obsess over things out of my control and frankly it serves no useful purpose.

Heh and PPS look at my games and tell me I farm. Unlike others I have earned my rank playing against smart and skilled folks without playing 2 player flip a coin games.
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Re: 19750 members and dropping

Postby timmytuttut88 on Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:32 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:
whitestazn88 wrote:
timmytuttut88 wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:OMFG you mean there are less then 20,000 people for me to play?? Ill be really shaken when there are a little less then 19,000..the horror..the horror.

Wow we've got ourselves a character here? You don't think that some sort of statement is being made when the sites membership goes from 25000 to 19750? So you must have also thought nothing happened when Dow Jones plunged from 10000+ down to 8000. Keep in mind that the conquerclub user plunge is something farely recent. It's not like this has been happening slowly over time, this is a plunge.


he probably farms, thats why he's so non challant about the situation...

plus with only 115 posts, his opinion doesnt matter. everyone knows you have to be in the 750 club before people pay attention to you


LOL and you being a twostripe freemium your opinion does?

To both of you...I enjoy playing CC and recognize what is and is not out of my control. I enjoy the site and many folks personalities as well. But this whole"Oh my God what shall we do mentality" serves no purpose. I play the game with my friends. I play anywhere between 10 to 20 games at a time and have no trouble filling them.

My life is to busy and important to obsess over things out of my control and frankly it serves no useful purpose.

Heh and PPS look at my games and tell me I farm. Unlike others I have earned my rank playing against smart and skilled folks without playing 2 player flip a coin games.

This isn't "what shall we do" as much as it is "what mistakes were made".
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Re: 19750 members and dropping

Postby EagleofGreenErth on Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:33 pm

I hardly play now that classic has turned to shit. I have 1 active game right now.... Waiting for it to finish so I can be done....
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Re: 19750 members and dropping

Postby Iron Butterfly on Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:51 pm

I was upset when classic changed. Very much so...but my enjoyment of the game outweighed the map change.

This sort of stuff happens all the time in online games. I also enjoy mmos and have played them all. If I had a dollar for every time the developers nerfed a popular class or changed the game play and then the said community threatened lawsuits, to quit the game or said that would be its downfall, id be rich. I played eq from day one. You want to talk about game changing drama??

We either adapt or move on. I now enjoy classic art and have explored different map types as well. For those who move on...good luck and I respect that right. Other people will discover this site and recognize the value.

Hell where else can you play for free or pay a minimal yearly fee and play with qualty maps and folks?
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Re: 19750 members and dropping

Postby Elijah S on Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:36 pm

The loss of the Classic map absolutely impacted membership, but I think the other important factors are:
-Many of the members of CC are kids, and dependent on their parents to pay for the premiums; With times becoming more difficult, I imagine many parents are just not paying anymore.
-The Forums used to be somewhat entertaining, but now... it's hard to find an interesting thread, and when you do, it seems the mods have gone from one extreme to the other with moderation. -What once seemed undermoderated is now filled with many threads being moved or locked.
-Burn out. As with just about everything, sooner or later we're less entertained and move on.

For those who are disappointed about the loss of Classic, there are several maps which have the classic style of gameplay, my American Civil War map being one of them...
The number of games on this map have increased significantly since the loss of classic.
My suggestion is to try some other maps, and I'm betting you'll find several good replacements, many with even better gameplay than classic.
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Re: 19750 members and dropping

Postby TheFlashPoint on Fri Dec 05, 2008 6:11 pm

How about, multis got deleted as an option? Or does that not happen here...
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Re: 19750 members and dropping

Postby ManBungalow on Fri Dec 05, 2008 6:35 pm

Old members drop out (as they always have) but we havn't got any fresh blood! Mainly because we now advertise our home page with erm...

Well

Imagine yourself as a potential newcomer, looking for a new game to play
Have a look at that homepage
What do you think ?

It's a couple of people messing around on MSPaint ??
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Re: 19750 members and dropping

Postby KoolBak on Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:17 am

Well, I think it is #1 as outlined above, there are always people dropping out but typically new blood overtakes the attrition....I think right NOW the issue is Christmas...people are focused on the holidays and using thier time and disposeable cash towards that end.

Being self employed, I always see a downturn in income around this time of year for this very reason, and my business isn't reliant on the calssic map :twisted:

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Re: 19750 members and dropping

Postby Godd on Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:34 am

Think about it people----

Re: the drop in Membership on this site-
Its all Due to the governments around the world that wont bail out the alcohol industries from bankruptcies and or true 100% profit.
The loss of the beverages has taken the toll on those who can sit back and sip a cold one while playing on CC. Now those people are out combing the hillsides looking for that Pub thats open and stocked with their favorite drink all the while keeping them away from their computer monitor with the maps of CC displayed.

If all the goverments of the world would ban together and hand over all thier tax payers hard earned cash to the Alcohol makers of the world then we would have so many players here we would be crashing the servers once a week with a overload of players signed in
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