Is Commander guilty?

[jackal31]

I can't believe so many of you are offended by my use of others' accounts.
This is the only way I can communicate and talk to the public about the fate of my own case!

What do you not understand? IT IS A RULES VIOLATION FOR YOU OR ANYONE TO POST USING SOMEONE ELSE'S ACCOUNT. Why are you doing this to your friends?

If you really have something you can access whoevers account and pm them. (from Dustine to Dustine) and let them decide if they want to post on your behalf but for you to repeatably violate others account and subject them to discipline says a lot about your character.

I rarely ever agree with jefjef, but he's spot on in this case.
Like it or not, it is a rules violation for you to continue to post from another's account. And think of it this way - when trying to defend yourself from accusations that you "violated the rules", do you think the best way to go about it is to publicly "violate the rules", PROVING yourself to be a shameless rules violator? You're not helping yourself, you're not helping your friends.

If I were in THOTA, I'd be changing my password PRONTO, and suggesting to everyone else in the clan to do the same. And if this were happening in my clan (Generation One), I'd even bring up removing you from the clan altogether, because right now you're showing yourself to be anything BUT a friend.

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[codeblue1018]

I better change my password; Complete debacle this place had turned into.

[Mageplunka69]

I think this is getting way out of control. As long as i have known Commander. He has ALWAYS been about points and pride..when we actually lost a game, id expect a ass chewing from him if it was due to me ...so no way in hell would he have point dumped...thats ludicrous..I think we need to keep the blitz stuff in the blitz forum.....that is a whole different story....seems commander is getting a worse deal than blitz

If he is using someone elses password to post, where is this law? If he was truely hacked, then wouldnt he be granted full access to his name to change the password and all re-instated to as it was?

I just do not understand all the bashing of a great man and a great player

[Fruitcake]

I just do not understand all the bashing of a great man and a great player

Which one?

[Mageplunka69]

commander......he reminds me alot of you fruitcake....honor, fun, smart, just a great person
and as far as blitz is concerned, once he pays again hes the lead man....el capiton...head cheese....so hes off for a month and notta

[tyche73]

I just do not understand all the bashing of a great man and a great player

Which one?

[jefjef]

If he is using someone elses password to post, where is this law?

I just do not understand all the bashing of a great man and a great player

From the rules/guidelines.

* Being on another player's account for ANY reasons other than taking turns when they are in danger of missing a turn, or posting to necessary Tournament or Clan related public forum topics, is not allowed. Abuse of this privilege can be considered account sharing and could result in a Bust for both accounts.

[clapper011]

well guys, you all need to cool off. If they flames persist then this will be locked.






Thanks

Lady Lock

[trapyoung]

Oh I do understand the want to discuss things in the open..
But at least then be fair. Disclose those parts of the truth you'd rather have hidden. Perhaps show why you have had a spat with a mod, and well i cannot acces your disiplinary logs, but hey, a warning is a warning. So if you get a double shaft when you do it for real, I can see the reason. Ofcourse they could also boot you entirly.. there are guidelines, not commandment in stone....

Dont be annoying is a hard line to follow, but then for some it seems to be too hard

ps, just to be clear. i am sayinbg the above as a private person. This is not the 'party' line, but my own observation

I complained that jpcloet was acting out Masli's request in a discussion in the clan forum regarding Kort and Tofu. I posted in that thread about my thoughts on it and (coincidentally) there are now more clan moderators then just Masli and Jpcloet.

You're incoherence is staggering. I understand English is not your first language, but your argument is just crazy. Conquer Club isn't a facist regime, it's a for-pay entertainment site. Ad hoc street justice is not how you should treat customers and anyone with business sense knows that it costs more to attract new customers than retain current ones. If the site had any concern for the quality of CC they would try to accommodate users and not fluff their own egos, but quite frankly the site is poorly executed and that is why Conquer Club has seen an influx of quality players and posters migrate away.

And whether your opinion above comes from your private views or from your official capacity, I couldn't care less. If you treat constructive criticism as just an annoying diatribe than you are hardly qualified to sign onto CC, much less moderate a forum. Too many moderators operate on the "my way or the highway" mindset, but if you want to cultivate an environment with mutual respect, no flaming and informative discussions than the site needs to come across as operating based on some principles, not fascists governing their 3 acres of land as they see fit.

[Big Whiskey]

I really hope it wasn't him.

I was amazed to see that the Great Law of not passing out PWs to the great unwashed outside of the donkey riders clan was broken, but not surprised when one of them jumped in and said:

well, none of the three are THOTA members....and it looks like one of them may be accountable for what is happening.

Perhaps the clan are finding themselves rudderless, bereft of the Great and Dear Leaderene they are so used to having? I cannot understand how such a great and glorious clan such as the donkey riders from the shire can have allowed this to happen. Is the world going to hell?

The cc community should follow the donkey riders example and spend their time on their knees..... however, the great unwashed that is you and me dear reader (unless, of course, you happen to be one of those famed donkey riders) would be praying that this cataclysmic chain of events they seem to be suffering recently is not indicative of a general malaise.

COME ON DONKEY RIDERS....CC NEEDS YOU!

Fruitcake how old are u?And btw http://www.jamesonwhiskey.com/age_verification.aspx
If u are of age to have some of this fine whiskey,please do and stop being a troll.

[40kguy]

This what i just posted to KA

Your probably sick of this, but this is 40kguy. you should know that. he did post on my account, I dont mine, he is defending himself. I do have some questions for you tho.

1.) Is the sit rules based off of, prove your inacent or you have to prove him doing what he is accused?

Unless we have that data to show that someone else was in your account during the 19th of April, then it is you. no one else

Cleared for lack of evidence that he is using a script

need to make up your mine and have a clearer set of rules.

2.) have you looked at his posts? his maturatiy is very high and dose not seem like the point dumping type.

3.) what is wrong with him going onto someones account and defending himself? Its not like hes playing any games for me, just posting.

[eddie2]

40k just change your password or you could be facing a site ban. I was all with commander not doing the point dumping but the way he is carrying on makes you ? that. think of the ip thing they use to track who logged on he is messing with that by logging into other players accounts.

[40kguy]

40k just change your password or you could be facing a site ban. I was all with commander not doing the point dumping but the way he is carrying on makes you ? that. think of the ip thing they use to track who logged on he is messing with that by logging into other players accounts.

I know, It pisses me of tho. they dont have an established set of rules. they change on how things are looked at all the time.

[Bones2484]

I know, It pisses me of tho. they dont have an established set of rules. they change on how things are looked at all the time.

How has this case been handled any different from similar ones? I haven't seen anything abnormal in terms of punishments/warnings/rules/investigating.

[40kguy]

I know, It pisses me of tho. they dont have an established set of rules. they change on how things are looked at all the time.

How has this case been handled any different from similar ones? I haven't seen anything abnormal in terms of punishments/warnings/rules/investigating.

Look at my first post. They make it sound like i need to prove more evadince. when they banned blitz they gave him a 1 month ban. They made it so we had to prove that he was guilty, now commander has to prove he isnt guilty.

[Bones2484]

Look at my first post. They make it sound like i need to prove more evadince. when they banned blitz they gave him a 1 month ban. They made it so we had to prove that he was guilty, now commander has to prove he isnt guilty.

Commander has to prove he isn't guilty because the evidence the hunters have at their disposal says he is. And this is the same evidence they use in any other case when they are trying to figure out who was playing at any given time for any given account.

[40kguy]

Look at my first post. They make it sound like i need to prove more evadince. when they banned blitz they gave him a 1 month ban. They made it so we had to prove that he was guilty, now commander has to prove he isnt guilty.

Commander has to prove he isn't guilty because the evidence the hunters have at their disposal says he is. And this is the same evidence they use in any other case when they are trying to figure out who was playing at any given time for any given account.

Why cant i see this evadince?

[ljex]

Look at my first post. They make it sound like i need to prove more evadince. when they banned blitz they gave him a 1 month ban. They made it so we had to prove that he was guilty, now commander has to prove he isnt guilty.

Commander has to prove he isn't guilty because the evidence the hunters have at their disposal says he is. And this is the same evidence they use in any other case when they are trying to figure out who was playing at any given time for any given account.

Why cant i see this evadince?

if they show the evidence then people know how not to leave that evidence in the future. That said i doubt he is the one who point dumped and i believe he would be willing to accept the punishment of hacking others accounts if that wasn't a perma ban

i told him to stop posting from peoples accounts and he says he will

[Bones2484]

Why cant i see this evadince?

I don't know or care why you can't. King Achilles says that the logs show that no one other than Commander's computer had logged into his account. What reason would he have to make that up? What reason would he have to lie about it? What would actually seeing this information change in your opinion?

If Commander wants to prove it wasn't him, all he needs to do is prove he wasn't at his computer. Just like in real life, if you have a corroborated alibi you obviously can't be at fault.

I'm not saying Commander is or isn't guilty. I have absolutely no idea and I have no opinion on the matter. All I'm saying is that the hunters only have the same information that is available to them in any case. And in this case, the hard evidence is showing that he did this himself according to KA.

[ljex]

Why cant i see this evadince?

I don't know or care why you can't. King Achilles says that the logs show that no one other than Commander's computer had logged into his account. What reason would he have to make that up? What reason would he have to lie about it? What would actually seeing this information change in your opinion?

If Commander wants to prove it wasn't him, all he needs to do is prove he wasn't at his computer. Just like in real life, if you have a corroborated alibi you obviously can't be at fault.

I'm not saying Commander is or isn't guilty. I have absolutely no idea and I have no opinion on the matter. All I'm saying is that the hunters only have the same information that is available to them in any case. And in this case, the hard evidence is showing that he did this himself according to KA.

While i agree with you, it is kinda hard for him to provide any evidence which would be verifiable as to his whereabouts at that time. Simply put i dont see why he would point dump in the first place, and then if he did why he would post from 3 different accounts trying to clear his name.

[ljex]

I just received an email from commander

I just can't believe so many people think I'm guilty.
What, do you imagine, would be my motive?

Obviously, I am not quitting CC.
I am an extremely active member and plan on being here for the next 5 years, at the very least.
I have an obligation to my clan and to all my teammates.
I am active on the forums and know that point-dumping is illegal.
You all know that I have "point-dropped" before, right? A year-and-a-half ago, I was at 3000+ and dropped to 1400 by playing 1v1s and speed doodles.
I'll get you the thread where I discuss my decision to drop rank when I find it.

The point is, I obviously knew the rules (as all active players do). Why would I risk everything?

Please, please, enlighten me as to the reason you believe I did this.

Like I said, I want to be here. I am very active.
I am a dedicated member and have never had any intention of leaving.
I know the rules, and the fact that I "dropped rank" from 3000+ to 1400 one-and-a-half years ago proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Why?

I love Conquer Club

Now i know that me posting for him is against the rules, but its better than him continuing to hack peoples accounts. Anyway if cc really wants to take action against me for this they can, but for now i will go find that thread he made about a year and a half ago.

Edit: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 6&t=103991

[Bones2484]

While i agree with you, it is kinda hard for him to provide any evidence which would be verifiable as to his whereabouts at that time. Simply put i dont see why he would point dump in the first place, and then if he did why he would post from 3 different accounts trying to clear his name.

Well, maybe instead of trying to provide evidence to the contrary (which he said he may be able to do in one of his posts somewhere...) he could try to figure out how/why the logs show all the action came from his machine? Does he have any roommates? Have their been any issues with his computer lately? Etc.

[SirSebstar]

I think Ljex does the right thing. I have been about to post the same. Seems commander has multiple voices now But it is better then letting others suffer a penalty.. Still if something goes boom, its those behind who are left with the pieces..

[Master Chief]

I just received an email from commander

I just can't believe so many people think I'm guilty.
What, do you imagine, would be my motive?

Obviously, I am not quitting CC.
I am an extremely active member and plan on being here for the next 5 years, at the very least.
I have an obligation to my clan and to all my teammates.
I am active on the forums and know that point-dumping is illegal.
You all know that I have "point-dropped" before, right? A year-and-a-half ago, I was at 3000+ and dropped to 1400 by playing 1v1s and speed doodles.
I'll get you the thread where I discuss my decision to drop rank when I find it.

The point is, I obviously knew the rules (as all active players do). Why would I risk everything?

Please, please, enlighten me as to the reason you believe I did this.

Like I said, I want to be here. I am very active.
I am a dedicated member and have never had any intention of leaving.
I know the rules, and the fact that I "dropped rank" from 3000+ to 1400 one-and-a-half years ago proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Why?

I love Conquer Club

Now i know that me posting for him is against the rules, but its better than him continuing to hack peoples accounts. Anyway if cc really wants to take action against me for this they can, but for now i will go find that thread he made about a year and a half ago.

Way to stick up for your friend! I'm doing my best to support him as well behind the scenes, getting more people in on this.

I've been playing with Commander for a while now and I've never known him to be anything but dedicated to CC. Like rbelgrod said earlier, when one of us messed up in the game, made a mistake, he would go off on us because he really wants to win. He was always helpful, friendly, and selfless with advice and friendly opinions. Why would he then turn around and not only tarnish his reputation, but give his friends the middle finger? He's not that kind of person. If your account was hacked, and somehow your name was on the line, your reputation, wouldn't you do your best to clear your name? They won't let you talk, they won't let you DEFEND yourself. What would you do? What would Jesus do?

[Master Chief]

While i agree with you, it is kinda hard for him to provide any evidence which would be verifiable as to his whereabouts at that time. Simply put i dont see why he would point dump in the first place, and then if he did why he would post from 3 different accounts trying to clear his name.

Well, maybe instead of trying to provide evidence to the contrary (which he said he may be able to do in one of his posts somewhere...) he could try to figure out how/why the logs show all the action came from his machine? Does he have any roommates? Have their been any issues with his computer lately? Etc.

He already stated earlier that he lives at home with his parents and his younger brother. He's 20, a college student, but lives at home.