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thebest712 wrote:Chuuuuck wrote:I am not really taking the argument that the rule can't be changed now. I can see that argument being used for both sides here because to me, and most others, it was understood that the rule was already in place and therefore, it can't be changed now. To others, it didn't show up, so it can't be changed now. I am just ignoring that argument going both ways.
In saying that, even CoF who originally wanted the rule, seems to think it won't be a big deal now and suggested getting rid of it. I also don't see too much of a problem coming out of this. Therefore, I will remove the rule and say all players under discussion right now will no longer be cup tied. However, there are two exceptions. A player must finish all active games with their old clan in the cup before they can enter into new games in the cup with another clan. AND I will also reserve the right to make arbitrary decisions that some players are not allowed to play due to being cup tied if I feel it is happening to only participate and bring in ringers into the cup. For the most part, i don't see myself using this right until the semi finals or finals. I will be hesitant to allow any new players play with the clans in the semi finals and finals who join right before.
I hope this makes everyone happy. I still think the cup tied rule is a good rule, but I am making this decision due to the longevity of this event as a whole and the understanding this is a website that we each get on to every day for entertainment and it should not be my place to limit the entertainment of someone else.
Good luck folks.
Chariot of Fire wrote:I do know of one disgruntled player that wishes to leave his clan and it would peeve me (and most of TOFU) no end if he happened to join a clan we faced later in the tourney and had to play him all over again in every game. Somehow it wouldn't seem right, so I guess a restriction on number of games (but enough to earn a medal) would make common sense.
Chuuuuck wrote: However, it seems most agree that there is very real potential for ringers in the final 8 rounds and beyond.
Chariot of Fire wrote:I do know of one disgruntled player that wishes to leave his clan and it would peeve me (and most of TOFU) no end if he happened to join a clan we faced later in the tourney and had to play him all over again in every game.
dwilhelmi wrote:Chariot of Fire wrote:I do know of one disgruntled player that wishes to leave his clan and it would peeve me (and most of TOFU) no end if he happened to join a clan we faced later in the tourney and had to play him all over again in every game.
Don't worry, CoF, we wouldn't take Charlie back anyway.
dwilhelmi wrote:Chariot of Fire wrote:I do know of one disgruntled player that wishes to leave his clan and it would peeve me (and most of TOFU) no end if he happened to join a clan we faced later in the tourney and had to play him all over again in every game.
Don't worry, CoF, we wouldn't take Charlie back anyway.
laughingcavalier wrote:A better rule might say something like:
If you have already played in the Cup and join a different clan you cannot take part in any active Cup challenge or the next round of the Cup.
Commander9 wrote:Personally, since I think this is pretty much the "best" that CC has to offer, so we should hold this is at a very high esteem. The fairest thing to do would be used the exact same rules that apply to UEFA Champion's League - if a player plays even one game, he's cup tied to that clan and can not represent any other clans during the course of the tournament. To put it in a very simple terms - a player can switch a clan, but he can't participate in CCup if he has already played for another clan.
Rodion wrote:Commander9 wrote:Personally, since I think this is pretty much the "best" that CC has to offer, so we should hold this is at a very high esteem. The fairest thing to do would be used the exact same rules that apply to UEFA Champion's League - if a player plays even one game, he's cup tied to that clan and can not represent any other clans during the course of the tournament. To put it in a very simple terms - a player can switch a clan, but he can't participate in CCup if he has already played for another clan.
I like that.
I wouldn't mind if that player got to represent his old clan, though, obviously provided his old clan is still in the running.
Rodion wrote:
I like that.
I wouldn't mind if that player got to represent his old clan, though, obviously provided his old clan is still in the running.
Nola_Lifer wrote:I agree also, but what if a clan entered into the Cup but then disbanded and a player joined another clan who is still in the running?
reptile wrote:I may be a LITTLE out of the loop, but who exactly are we talking about? Who is jumping ship to another clan?
Anyway, i think that missing 1 round of the cup would be fair to any player that is doing this.
#1 because it is still up to the receiving clan if they WANT to take them (despite being their competition)
#2 mainly because now most of the good players are taken by one clan or another... it is very hard finding great players that are already not in a clan. So when you do get a new member a lot of times it may come from another clan, so you can not really enforce that they cant play in the cup. Especially when it could be the only "challenge" that your new clan is in for the next 5 months! This is a case for a lot of clans, many clans cant do CCup as well as other challenges. Also each challenge takes about a month, isn't that enough of a penalty?
#3 The Cup lasts long enough that it wouldnt be fair to make the said player not be able to go to war with his new clan mates for that long of a time.
Commander9 wrote:I don't really agree with this. That player can still participate in the league and in other clan challenges, so he's only excluded from 1 clan tournament.
Chuuuuck wrote:Commander, the rule you stated was the rule we had in place for the first cup. People were complaining because there hasn't been anyone who has tried to switch clans just to participate in the cup or for a competitive advantage, but at the same time, when clans such as KoRT or THOTA (who were in the finals) and TOFU and LoW (form the semi finals) try to recruit players, often times those players are having to sit out of clan games for the better part of a year.
Many people don't think it is fair to have to sit out for nearly a year after you have made the choice to switch clans.
Commander9 wrote:
Well, I'm no authority and I don't really have any ability to enforce what I am suggesting - I am just merely stating my opinion on what should be fair. It takes a lot of effort to run a tournament like this and you have done brilliantly so far - I have absolutely nothing to complain about. This is your baby and you are the one who makes the executive decisions, which is never easy. Think of me as trying to be helpful.
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