Mitt Romney Scandals

[Night Strike]

I've skipped over a few mini-scandals too like his compulsive hiding of money to avoid US taxes.

That hasn't been done either. Romney has paid the proper taxes on all his earned income, even if he stores the money outside the US.

[bradleybadly]

If only Juan would've been this zealous in vetting Obama back in 2007-2008.

He joined in 2008, it's right there under his name. How could he have been here in 2007 vetting Obama?

Yup, cause I clearly restricted the statement to being registered on CC.

[Symmetry]

If only Juan would've been this zealous in vetting Obama back in 2007-2008.

He joined in 2008, it's right there under his name. How could he have been here in 2007 vetting Obama?

Yup, cause I clearly restricted the statement to being registered on CC.

One might wonder how you know he wasn't vetting like a zealot in 2007 then, elsewhere.

[Phatscotty]

If only Juan would've been this zealous in vetting Obama back in 2007-2008.

He joined in 2008, it's right there under his name. How could he have been here in 2007 vetting Obama?

Yup, cause I clearly restricted the statement to being registered on CC.

One might wonder how you know he wasn't vetting like a zealot in 2007 then, elsewhere.

please do not get a new strategy! please please please don't change!

[Juan_Bottom]

I've skipped over a few mini-scandals too like his compulsive hiding of money to avoid US taxes.

That hasn't been done either. Romney has paid the proper taxes on all his earned income, even if he stores the money outside the US.

Yes. Stores money in places where he doesn't pay taxes on it.

One might wonder how you know he wasn't vetting like a zealot in 2007 then, elsewhere.

At least you've exposed him as someone who doesn't admit when he's wrong.

[Night Strike]

I've skipped over a few mini-scandals too like his compulsive hiding of money to avoid US taxes.

That hasn't been done either. Romney has paid the proper taxes on all his earned income, even if he stores the money outside the US.

Yes. Stores money in places where he doesn't pay taxes on it.

Except that he did pay taxes on it.

[Juan_Bottom]

Yup and at exactly the same rate.

We don't have his tax records.
So tell me, why would he store his unknown sums of money in all these overseas accounts? And why would he only choose country's known as "tax havens?"

[Juan_Bottom]

SCANDAL

[bradleybadly]

If only Juan would've been this zealous in vetting Obama back in 2007-2008.

He joined in 2008, it's right there under his name. How could he have been here in 2007 vetting Obama?

Yup, cause I clearly restricted the statement to being registered on CC.

One might wonder how you know he wasn't vetting like a zealot in 2007 then, elsewhere.

Yes, one who has never read Juan's posts might never be able to deduce that, but that one might be a liberal comrade trying to get the focus off of the original point

[Phatscotty]

Yup and at exactly the same rate.

We don't have his tax records.
So tell me, why would he store his unknown sums of money in all these overseas accounts? And why would he only choose country's known as "tax havens?"

and.........is it the person to blame who invests overseas where returns are much better and their currencies are not devasted by government debt? or is it the policies to blame that drive money overseas because USA has the second highest corporate tax rate in the world and our dollar is worth about half of what it was just 15 years ago?

[Symmetry]

If only Juan would've been this zealous in vetting Obama back in 2007-2008.

He joined in 2008, it's right there under his name. How could he have been here in 2007 vetting Obama?

Yup, cause I clearly restricted the statement to being registered on CC.

One might wonder how you know he wasn't vetting like a zealot in 2007 then, elsewhere.

Yes, one who has never read Juan's posts might never be able to deduce that, but that one might be a liberal comrade trying to get the focus off of the original point

The OP was about Mitt Romney, and his problematic, potentially criminal finances. If you genuinely want to get back to discussing that, I would be very happy.

If you want to discuss a separate topic, I would suggest making a thread with the point you want to talk about.

[Woodruff]

and.........is it the person to blame who invests overseas where returns are much better and their currencies are not devasted by government debt? or is it the policies to blame that drive money overseas because USA has the second highest corporate tax rate in the world and our dollar is worth about half of what it was just 15 years ago?

My honest answer is that yes...that person IS to blame (whoever they may be). If they have designs on the office of President of the United States, then they damn well should not be hiding their money overseas. It seems to me that's a direct slap in the face to the nation they want to lead, and an example of putting personal gain ahead of the nation, which is very much a problem with our national politics (from the President through Congress).

I don't really care that much of the CEO of Goodyear does it. But when a Presidential candidate has done it, I do believe it's telling.

[Night Strike]

and.........is it the person to blame who invests overseas where returns are much better and their currencies are not devasted by government debt? or is it the policies to blame that drive money overseas because USA has the second highest corporate tax rate in the world and our dollar is worth about half of what it was just 15 years ago?

My honest answer is that yes...that person IS to blame (whoever they may be). If they have designs on the office of President of the United States, then they damn well should not be hiding their money overseas. It seems to me that's a direct slap in the face to the nation they want to lead, and an example of putting personal gain ahead of the nation, which is very much a problem with our national politics (from the President through Congress).

I don't really care that much of the CEO of Goodyear does it. But when a Presidential candidate has done it, I do believe it's telling.

So why can't presidential candidates maximize their income? If the US has policies that directly harm a person or business, wouldn't it be much better to keep your money legally out of that system until it is reformed? In fact, I would think that person would be one of the best for advocating a change in the tax structure to provide an incentive (or at least not a penalty) for people to keep their money in the US because they would know the exact reasons why their money is located where it is. That person should give a direct slap to the government that has burdensome taxes and regulations and then work to enact better policies.

And none of Romney's money is "hiding" oversees. It has all been reported according to the legal requirements of this country. If you want people to keep their money in this country, then quit penalizing them with higher taxes simply because they're wealthy or successful.

[AndyDufresne]

--Andy

[Woodruff]

and.........is it the person to blame who invests overseas where returns are much better and their currencies are not devasted by government debt? or is it the policies to blame that drive money overseas because USA has the second highest corporate tax rate in the world and our dollar is worth about half of what it was just 15 years ago?

My honest answer is that yes...that person IS to blame (whoever they may be). If they have designs on the office of President of the United States, then they damn well should not be hiding their money overseas. It seems to me that's a direct slap in the face to the nation they want to lead, and an example of putting personal gain ahead of the nation, which is very much a problem with our national politics (from the President through Congress).

I don't really care that much of the CEO of Goodyear does it. But when a Presidential candidate has done it, I do believe it's telling.

So why can't presidential candidates maximize their income?

I'm not saying they CAN'T. What I AM saying is that they should expect that if they take the sort of action referred to above, they shouldn't be surprised if people hold it against them when they're running for office, as an example that they may put their own personal interest ahead of the interests of the nation. I AM saying that Presidential candidates SHOULD be held to a different, higher standard...yes, without question.

And none of Romney's money is "hiding" oversees.

That's not what I'm talking about...I'm specifically referring to Phatscotty's statements above, with no indication or presumption of illegal activities.