comic boy wrote:I lived in Israel for a year and never once heard an Israeli tell a Holocaust joke . Plenty of self effacing Jewish and Kosher jokes but nothing about the Holocaust , nothing at all.
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comic boy wrote:I lived in Israel for a year and never once heard an Israeli tell a Holocaust joke . Plenty of self effacing Jewish and Kosher jokes but nothing about the Holocaust , nothing at all.
BigBallinStalin wrote:thegreekdog wrote:EDIT - I just read BBS's post for the third time and I still don't understand how he began an argument as to why the Holocaust was "knee-slapping hilarious." It appears, since you aren't calling anyone else who posted in that Holocaust Movie Name thread out on the carpet, the issue you have with BBS is his telling you what you should or should not be offended by. That is not something I'm supportive of and BBS and I part ways on that, but it appears that you're taking it way too far (but that could be doe-eyed TGD talking).
Hmm, it's not the case that the Holocaust is hilarious; it's the case that there are jokes involving the Holocaust which can be funny. It's a fine distinction which should be noted.
DoomYoshi wrote:Ok, this is a dumb thread. Sorry juan, but you are just wrong.
Here is the thing about distasteful jokes:
The humour is not in the distasteful thing itself, but rather the incongruity of the punchline.
When people laugh at Holocaust jokes, they are not laughing at the Holocaust, they are laughing at the joke. The only way for your position to be tenable Juan, is if you think the Holocaust is the joke.
Do you think the Holocaust is a joke? I find that deeply disturbing.
aage wrote:All jokes except a small fraction of cleverly crafted word play puns are offensive to someone, somewhere. I don't see why any kind of joke would be seen as anti-Semitic. It's a joke. It's not serious.
I for one would love to hear some of them.
gillipig wrote:Give us an example then.
Gillipig wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:thegreekdog wrote:EDIT - I just read BBS's post for the third time and I still don't understand how he began an argument as to why the Holocaust was "knee-slapping hilarious." It appears, since you aren't calling anyone else who posted in that Holocaust Movie Name thread out on the carpet, the issue you have with BBS is his telling you what you should or should not be offended by. That is not something I'm supportive of and BBS and I part ways on that, but it appears that you're taking it way too far (but that could be doe-eyed TGD talking).
Hmm, it's not the case that the Holocaust is hilarious; it's the case that there are jokes involving the Holocaust which can be funny. It's a fine distinction which should be noted.
Give us an example then. Shouldn't be too hard to find one of those jokes that you find funny. If you can dig up statistics on obscure topics, finding some holocaust joke shouldn't be too hard.
BigBallinStalin wrote:Hmm, it's not the case that the Holocaust is hilarious; it's the case that there are jokes involving the Holocaust which can be funny. It's a fine distinction which should be noted.
comic boy wrote:I lived in Israel for a year and never once heard an Israeli tell a Holocaust joke . Plenty of self effacing Jewish and Kosher jokes but nothing about the Holocaust , nothing at all.
saxitoxin wrote:Juan_Bottom wrote:slaughtered by the Germans
... who stayed loyal because they were getting things.
saxitoxin wrote:Four sisters of the Ali Mohammed Nasser family in Yemen were killed. Afrah was 9 years old when she and her three younger sisters Zayda (7 years old) , Hoda (5 years old) and Sheika (4 years old) were struck by an American drone. http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-childr ... ma/5320570
... who stayed loyal because they were getting things.
As you know, Juan, people you can't see don't actually exist. What goes around never, ever, ever comes around. It's all about how much stuff you can grab right now and shove into your goody bag. Chilax and let the good times roll! There's definitely not a noose tightening. The castle walls are not crumbling. Nope, not at all. You'll never be communally indicted as a Fellow Traveler. The good times will never end! Never, by jove!
saxitoxin wrote:Time to take the pledge, Juan.
Haggis_McMutton wrote:Ok, so BBS obviously has no right to tell you how you should deal with your grief, that much is pretty clear.
Regarding the jokes themselves, I'm honestly asking, is anyone actually doing any of the bolded things?
I don't think saying "I did nazi see that coming anne frankly I'm offended" or whatever else stupid puns/references people were making in that thread is making fun of Holocaust survivors and laughing at millions of massacred people. I think they're just stupid puns.
As George Carlin said, every joke needs one exaggeration. It's the nature of the exaggeration that shows the intent of the joke. If the exaggeration is suggesting that the holocaust victims were rightfully slaughtered, or that they deserved it, or whatever, then yes it's reprehensible.
Were, in your opinion, people making those exaggerations ?
thegreekdog wrote:Juan_Bottom wrote:thegreekdog wrote:No. I said I wouldn't read the anti-Catholic threads. And I don't.
Ultimately, my argument in McGill was that you didn't like (to put it mildly) the "making fun of the Holocaust by making up fake movie names" thread but you had no problem bashing Catholics in another thread. That seems hypocritical to me.
Willing Participation:
MASS GENOCIDE:
You really see no difference?
Between the two pictures above? I do see a difference.
The question is not that. The question is whether I see a difference between a thread lambasting Catholics and a thread making joke movie titles involving the Holocaust. As I indicated, to paraphrase, because you were offended, I stopped posting in that thread. I assumed you would treat me the same way (not that I asked for it, because I have this great ability to not read stuff that offends me), and you did not. As you indicated, there are gentlemenly ways to treat with others, even on the internet.
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(proud member of the Occasionally Wrongly Banned)Army of GOD wrote:the term heterosexual is offensive. I prefer to be called "normal"
john9blue wrote:i thought you thought the church brainwashed young children into believing? you consider that "willing participation"?
john9blue wrote:i thought you thought the church brainwashed young children into believing? you consider that "willing participation"?
Juan_Bottom wrote:Now I'm remembering this. I told you; we don't want people pretending to be sensitive. Don't pretend to be a different person depending on who you are hanging out with. As you said: you find holocaust jokes to be amusing. Then make holocaust jokes. You think I want to have friends who are secretly members of the KKK or something? No, I do not. I want to know who everyone really is.
Juan_Bottom wrote:Now, nothing is above criticism, and to claim that your beliefs deserve the same sensitivity as the Holocaust is bizarre to say the least. There is no comedy in making fun of something that one cannot change. If my father chocked and died on a walnut, then yeah, walnuts become a sensitive issue, and the gentlemanly thing to do is not to discuss them around me. But if you want to participate in a religion that takes money from you and gives it to lawyers that are defending pedophiles, then yeah, you're not above criticism.
Juan_Bottom wrote:As I asked you before, can you explain why mocking Catholicism is insensitive to you? I can tell you, it's a voluntary belief, not an involuntary condition. So again, I find it bizarre that you're insecure enough in your beliefs that you think they should be above reproach. And what I find reproachable is people going to their Catholic church, and donating their money to the very people who had been protecting child rapists for decades.
Juan_Bottom wrote:And while we are on the subject of the Holocaust, I'm also pretty dissatisfied with the Catholic church's consent to the Nazi massacre of Europe's minorities and Jewry. I'm dissatisfied by their enabling Nazi fugitives to escape. But I won't hold that against a Catholic because that is in the distant past... the church should be at a different place.... and then they elect a Hitler Youth to be their king. When I ask myself WWJD? I never come to the conclusion that Jesus would join the Nazis or vote for a Nazi Pope. By being a member of the Catholic Church you are consenting to this madness.... of protecting Child Rapists, and protecting those who protected them... and of financially supporting a living deity who was also a part of the Nazi movement. These beliefs are ridiculous and warrant all the mocking and insults that they get. As Saxi irrelevantly said to me in the other thread, there is a distinction between having a belief and having a personality cult. We weren't born into a world where we got to choose whether there was a Holocaust or not, but we do get to choose what to believe in. As always, the distinction between between something that is worthy of criticism is choice.
I will never understand why in this country religion is never supposed to be discussed or questioned without making everyone into a victim.
BigBallinStalin wrote:Gillipig wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:thegreekdog wrote:EDIT - I just read BBS's post for the third time and I still don't understand how he began an argument as to why the Holocaust was "knee-slapping hilarious." It appears, since you aren't calling anyone else who posted in that Holocaust Movie Name thread out on the carpet, the issue you have with BBS is his telling you what you should or should not be offended by. That is not something I'm supportive of and BBS and I part ways on that, but it appears that you're taking it way too far (but that could be doe-eyed TGD talking).
Hmm, it's not the case that the Holocaust is hilarious; it's the case that there are jokes involving the Holocaust which can be funny. It's a fine distinction which should be noted.
Give us an example then. Shouldn't be too hard to find one of those jokes that you find funny. If you can dig up statistics on obscure topics, finding some holocaust joke shouldn't be too hard.
Give us an example then. Shouldn't be too hard to find one of those jokes that you don't find funny. If you can get so Swedish on obscure topics, finding some holocaust joke shouldn't be too hard.
thegreekdog wrote: Regardless of whether I think you should be offended or not is not an appropriate determination for me to make (in my opinion).
thegreekdog wrote:- At around the same time, there were some threads in this forum and in McGill mocking Catholicism, the Catholic Church, and Catholics generally. There were also threads criticizing Catholicism, the Catholic Church, and Catholics generally. The threads criticizing those things were not offensive to me. The threads mocking those things were offensive to me. You (and pimpdave) posted in those threads at length in what, to me, was a rather disgusting way which was meant to troll me or bait me. Instead of choosing option (c), which would have been the gentlemenly way to go, you chose option (d).
Gillipig wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:Gillipig wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:thegreekdog wrote:EDIT - I just read BBS's post for the third time and I still don't understand how he began an argument as to why the Holocaust was "knee-slapping hilarious." It appears, since you aren't calling anyone else who posted in that Holocaust Movie Name thread out on the carpet, the issue you have with BBS is his telling you what you should or should not be offended by. That is not something I'm supportive of and BBS and I part ways on that, but it appears that you're taking it way too far (but that could be doe-eyed TGD talking).
Hmm, it's not the case that the Holocaust is hilarious; it's the case that there are jokes involving the Holocaust which can be funny. It's a fine distinction which should be noted.
Give us an example then. Shouldn't be too hard to find one of those jokes that you find funny. If you can dig up statistics on obscure topics, finding some holocaust joke shouldn't be too hard.
Give us an example then. Shouldn't be too hard to find one of those jokes that you don't find funny. If you can get so Swedish on obscure topics, finding some holocaust joke shouldn't be too hard.
You can't even come up with one example lol.
BigBallinStalin wrote:Gillipig wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:Gillipig wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:thegreekdog wrote:EDIT - I just read BBS's post for the third time and I still don't understand how he began an argument as to why the Holocaust was "knee-slapping hilarious." It appears, since you aren't calling anyone else who posted in that Holocaust Movie Name thread out on the carpet, the issue you have with BBS is his telling you what you should or should not be offended by. That is not something I'm supportive of and BBS and I part ways on that, but it appears that you're taking it way too far (but that could be doe-eyed TGD talking).
Hmm, it's not the case that the Holocaust is hilarious; it's the case that there are jokes involving the Holocaust which can be funny. It's a fine distinction which should be noted.
Give us an example then. Shouldn't be too hard to find one of those jokes that you find funny. If you can dig up statistics on obscure topics, finding some holocaust joke shouldn't be too hard.
Give us an example then. Shouldn't be too hard to find one of those jokes that you don't find funny. If you can get so Swedish on obscure topics, finding some holocaust joke shouldn't be too hard.
You can't even come up with one example lol.
You can't even come up with one example lol.
Gillipig wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:Gillipig wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:Gillipig wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:
Hmm, it's not the case that the Holocaust is hilarious; it's the case that there are jokes involving the Holocaust which can be funny. It's a fine distinction which should be noted.
Give us an example then. Shouldn't be too hard to find one of those jokes that you find funny. If you can dig up statistics on obscure topics, finding some holocaust joke shouldn't be too hard.
Give us an example then. Shouldn't be too hard to find one of those jokes that you don't find funny. If you can get so Swedish on obscure topics, finding some holocaust joke shouldn't be too hard.
You can't even come up with one example lol.
You can't even come up with one example lol.
BBS just turned five years old. You're on the ropes BBS, throw in the towel and just admit it, you regret the shit out of ever having said the holocaust could be funny!
Juan_Bottom wrote:Willing Participation
aage wrote:Juan_Bottom wrote:Willing Participation
I'll just leave this here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wave_(novel)
BigBallinStalin wrote:aage wrote:Juan_Bottom wrote:Willing Participation
I'll just leave this here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wave_(novel)
Fiction? *sigh...
[Insert belief here]
[Provide evidence by writing/linking to a fictional account]
Hey, aage, are you a creationist?
aage wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:aage wrote:Juan_Bottom wrote:Willing Participation
I'll just leave this here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wave_(novel)
Fiction? *sigh...
[Insert belief here]
[Provide evidence by writing/linking to a fictional account]
Hey, aage, are you a creationist?
Lit is not necessarily true, but it contains human truth which is truth enough for an internet discussion. I mean, you're copying text and replacing two words, for heaven's sake.
Not a creationist but the idea isn't bad. Also, Mein Kampf is fiction. How did that turn out?
AAFitz wrote:Its taken a while to come up with a reply here, and I finally came up with a response. Colbert could do it.
Now, I dont mean to suggest he would be making fun of the holocaust, its victims or its survivors of course, but as a parody, would be making fun of those who would. Family Guy does the same thing, but sometimes trade the parody for a quick laugh...which, is what comedy is, but at the very least they'd probably get censored before they went down that route. I can only imagine a few fell on the cutting floor, that were beyond what anyone would ever want to say in any other setting than with a bunch of irreverent comedians.
It makes us think, on a deeper level than we otherwise would, so theoretically, its possible, but Im not entirely sure if thats what BBS meant.
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