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2dimes wrote:Conversely if you used, "all" that would suddenly make it the type of suggestion you are opposed to.
I went back to read what what's-his-face wrote and it's possibly intentionally missleading, but the statement it's self is likely fact. I have not researched it and perhaps the video footage was made by actors. If not I think that more should be done to protect the gay people in that area.
2dimes wrote:Currently you can say whatever you want. That is something what's-his-face is actively participating in. It's just better to go with being PC because it's less likely to have people exgagerate your statements.
I don't like the N word or equivalent. I would prefer it was acceptable for use like it used to be in my region because it was easier to spot racist. I do appreciate that my kids are not exposed to it much and in a couple of generations it will be the same as something from the twenties that has become rediculas and funny because there's no power. And maybe that's why some are defending other guy's decision to call out what's-his-face's statement as racist.
My point is he successfully made a statement that was not racist even if that was intentional to hide his full feelings. I think other guy is ok and suspect he knew the new member was what's-his-face prior to writing his post. That's why I didn't out him with a bunch of ranting.
2dimes wrote:If you have a problem with people commiting violence and there's a pattern of it being predominately white, bass playing, pilots that like beer and sexy women.
2dimes wrote:I won't be hurt when you label us and say, predominately white, bass playing, pilots that like beer and sexy women, are violent and we need to address that problem. You're wrong I'm not typically violent and probably not a threat but I'm ok being lumped in with my group.
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
thegreekdog wrote: "Address the problem" is not specific enough.
Neoteny wrote:Man, I didn't have to deal with any of that in my schools.
Also related, apparently this is happening.
http://fox8.com/2013/03/04/oberlin-clas ... incidents/
2dimes wrote:I accept your critique of my course of action but basically not having a problem with them or being in a position to deal with my peers. I have not decided on plan.
2dimes wrote:No, I refuse. Not talking about it is making things worse. It shouldn't be dangerous to go to an area where people with light skin live just because you have a better tan. Or going to the area where dark skin people live just because you are Finnish.
That's what I'm after here. Some people are part of some groups and are jerks. As you say let's deal with them (how ever we need to go about that) and help the rest of us get along better.
In May 2004 after receiving an award at the celebration of the 50th Anniversary commemoration of the Brown v. Board of Education ruling, the U.S. Supreme Court's decision that outlawed school racial segregation, Cosby made public remarks critical of African Americans who put higher priorities on sports, fashion, and "acting hard" than on education, self-respect, and self-improvement, pleading for African-American families to educate their children on the many different aspects of American culture.
In the "Pound Cake" speech, Cosby, who holds a doctorate in education, asked that African-American parents teach their children better morals at a younger age. Cosby told the Washington Times, "Parenting needs to come to the forefront. If you need help and you don't know how to parent, we want to be able to reach out and touch" (DeBose, Brian).[page needed] Richard Leiby of The Washington Post reported, "Bill Cosby was anything but politically correct in his remarks Monday night at a Constitution Hall bash commemorating the 50th anniversary of the Brown v. Board of Education decision."[21]
Cosby again came under sharp criticism and was again largely unapologetic for his stance when he made similar remarks during a speech in a July 1 meeting commemorating the anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education. During that speech, he admonished apathetic blacks for not assisting or concerning themselves with the individuals who are involved with crime or have counter-productive aspirations. He further described those who needed attention as blacks who āhad forgotten the sacrifices of those in the Civil Rights Movement." [22] The speech was featured in the documentary 500 Years Later, which set the speech to cartoon visuals.[citation needed]
Georgetown University sociology professor Michael Eric Dyson wrote a book in 2005 entitled Is Bill Cosby Right or Is the Black Middle Class Out of Touch?[23] In the book, Dyson wrote that Cosby was overlooking larger social factors that reinforce poverty and associated crime; factors such as deteriorating schools, stagnating wages, dramatic shifts in the economy, offshoring and downsizing, chronic underemployment, and job and capital flight.[24] Dyson suggested Cosby's comments "betray classist, elitist viewpoints rooted in generational warfare."[23]
Cornel West defended Cosby and his remarks, saying, "he's speaking out of great compassion and trying to get folk to get on the right track, 'cause we've got some brothers and sisters who are not doing the right things, just like in times in our own lives, we don't do the right thing... He is trying to speak honestly and freely and lovingly, and I think that's a very positive thing."[25]
In a 2008 interview, Cosby mentioned Atlanta, Georgia; Chicago, Illinois; Detroit, Michigan; Oakland, California; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Springfield, Massachusetts, among the cities where crime was high and young African-American men were being murdered and jailed in disproportionate numbers. Cosby stood his ground against criticism and affirmed that African-American parents were continuing to fail to inculcate proper standards of moral behavior.[26] Cosby still lectures to black communities (usually at churches) about his frustrations with certain problems prevalent in underprivileged urban communities, such as in illegal drugs; teenage pregnancy; Black Entertainment Television; high-school dropouts; anti-intellectualism; gangsta rap; vulgarity; thievery; offensive clothing; vanity; parental alienation; single-parenting; and failing to live up to the ideals of Frederick Douglass, Martin Luther King, Jr., and African-Americans who preceded Generation X.
Remember the Bill Cosby fiascos?
2dimes wrote:Remember the Bill Cosby fiascos?
No but I believe you're proving my point.
People are so stupid that a person in their group calls them out on a simple fact, and everone including people outside their group cries "racist!"
Really? but Tupac is ok fine because he's telling you it's good to be gangsta.
Not to worry Doctor Huxtable, thanks to adopting similar parenting, in a couple of generations only the wealthiest of white people will be able to continue living like the current generation. Most of them will remain in the United Plantation of America.
2dimes wrote:Remember the Bill Cosby fiascos?
No but I believe you're proving my point.
People are so stupid that a person in their group calls them out on a simple fact, and everone including people outside their group cries "racist!"
Really? but Tupac is ok fine because he's telling you it's good to be gangsta.
Not to worry Doctor Huxtable, thanks to adopting similar parenting, in a couple of generations only the wealthiest of white people will be able to continue living like the current generation. Most of them will remain in the United Plantation of America.
BigBallinStalin wrote:2dimes wrote:Remember the Bill Cosby fiascos?
No but I believe you're proving my point.
People are so stupid that a person in their group calls them out on a simple fact, and everone including people outside their group cries "racist!"
Really? but Tupac is ok fine because he's telling you it's good to be gangsta.
Not to worry Doctor Huxtable, thanks to adopting similar parenting, in a couple of generations only the wealthiest of white people will be able to continue living like the current generation. Most of them will remain in the United Plantation of America.
I still find it hard to criticize people who choose not to pull a Cosby. They're justified in choosing to avoid the costs incurred from stupid people.
thegreekdog wrote:
I think 2dimes point, and one that I'm beginning to get to agreeing with, is that the costs may be greater by avoiding the costs of saying something now.
thegreekdog wrote:I've tried to do something else - I volunteer to help inner city black kids get into good colleges. And Mr. Cosby is right! Every kid in that class, that I've helped out with for the last three years, has one or two very involved, interested, and demanding parents. Makes a big fucking difference.
BigBallinStalin wrote:They might be, but how does one calculate the risk?
PLAYER57832 wrote:It doesn't matter if they think, quite seriously, that blacks are just not quite as intelligent (a few exceptions, exist "of course").. that Asians are just naturally bright... that women are [whatever], the thing is that the person voicing those thoughts will ALWAYS find legitimate reasons and facts to justify the thinking.
2dimes wrote:Ok so you notice a large group of Chinese guys are better at math. It's not that it's bad to think it is genetic. It's just incorrect because you have overlooked how it happened.
Their parents,friends and others valued and supported them learning math. They were not born doing math.
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