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IcePack wrote:I guess the CD's will decide. I'm not going to debate another 30 pages on things again. Since they want everything a vote, why not vote on the vote.
josko.ri wrote:IcePack wrote:I guess the CD's will decide. I'm not going to debate another 30 pages on things again. Since they want everything a vote, why not vote on the vote.
If there will be vote on a vote then i would propose third option, similar like your but points do not go 4,3,2,1 but rather go exponential 8,4,2,1. First choice of anyone need to have more weight than 4 Points compared to 3 points which is almost no difference.
Also, one question for qwert for proposal 4a, as I am not sure if I understand his idea in total: Which is time of making draw for each round in your idea? Is it the whole draw for the whole tournament made at the beginning of the tournament (draw is made just once during the tournament), or draw for every round will be done before start of the round according to current rank at the date of every draw (draw is made before every round = 5 times during the tournament)?
IcePack wrote:josko.ri wrote:IcePack wrote:I guess the CD's will decide. I'm not going to debate another 30 pages on things again. Since they want everything a vote, why not vote on the vote.
If there will be vote on a vote then i would propose third option, similar like your but points do not go 4,3,2,1 but rather go exponential 8,4,2,1. First choice of anyone need to have more weight than 4 Points compared to 3 points which is almost no difference.
thats fine with me. Did we just agree to something?
Crazyirishman wrote:Maybe I'm just weird, but I think there's a bit of a difference between what people could hypothetically do, and what they would do in reality. I mean, I'm sure you could get a rogue who bands together with 5 other people to vote something they think 2nd best to be the worst but that doesn't seem very intuitive or natural.
But as long as we're riding along on the hypothetical voting train, if everybody did that the thing that was listed above, then ultimately the option least like by all could be chosen as the most popular by total tally point and we'd all look like a bunch of retards for trying to be so clever by manipulating a voting system.
This is why I personally (just call me crazy) think that when people are presented with a vote, they will take the easy route and vote in accordance with how they actually fucking think, instead of constructing an intricate web of deception voting to propel their genius idea to the top.
freakns wrote:enough gibbering...
you lads posted 50 pages of talk without posting single picture of naked woman, and you expect us to read it?! no way jose...
put the vote into CDF, let us vote, and decide it. or let Dako run it to his own free will. either way, no more discussion.
jetsetwilly wrote:freakns wrote:enough gibbering...
you lads posted 50 pages of talk without posting single picture of naked woman, and you expect us to read it?! no way jose...
put the vote into CDF, let us vote, and decide it. or let Dako run it to his own free will. either way, no more discussion.
The options are up, it's just a last chance to make sure they are all understood before we vote. You don't need to read all the rest!
jghost7 wrote:If any random element were to be involved, then I would suggest that the top 16 clans according to the F400 be seeded accordingly, and then you can randomly draw their opponents. Play from there would be from the bracket.
I think this will also address the anomalies of good clans starting at the bottom, like Atlantis, if they get to join, are obviously stronger than their rank would indicate.
Here is an example of what it looks like before the draw:
Once the drawing is held, then we would fill in the bracket and proceed like a normal bracket tournament.
It is simple and straightforward.
Thanks,
J
qwert wrote:these above its same like classic bracket-- low ranked clans could just quit to play,,because hes chances to get medals are close to zero. I realy dont understand what you have against that in round 1 clans from 17 to 32 play betwene? Why dont give hem equal opponents in first round? Why do you want to play against low ranked right in first round?
jghost7 wrote:If any random element were to be involved, then I would suggest that the top 16 clans according to the F400 be seeded accordingly, and then you can randomly draw their opponents. Play from there would be from the bracket.
I think this will also address the anomalies of good clans starting at the bottom, like Atlantis, if they get to join, are obviously stronger than their rank would indicate.
Here is an example of what it looks like before the draw:
Once the drawing is held, then we would fill in the bracket and proceed like a normal bracket tournament.
It is simple and straightforward.
Thanks,
J
jetsetwilly wrote:...
1.Fixed bracket system
Top clans are kept apart for as long as possible using the F400 and you know who are likely to meet as the cup progresses.
2. An entirely random draw for every round.
For round 1 the 32 teams are pulled from a hat at random
For round 2 the 16 remaining teams are pulled from a hat at random.
etc.
top clans could meet each other in an early round and we might see some big name casualties.
3. Seed the top 16 to play random opponents in round 1 then proceed with a bracket.
The top 16 clans according to the F400 be seeded accordingly, and then you can randomly draw their opponents. Play from there would be from the bracket.
4. Alternative system
Clans 1-8 get a bye in Rounds 1 and 2 and join from Round 3
Clans 9-16 get a bye in Round 2 and join in Round 2
There are 2 similar alternatives within option 4 but for the purposes of the initial discussion we propose to keep them as a single option. If this option proves to be the winner then we could determine which of the 2 to go for.
Option 4a uses a random method of pairing the clans. 4b uses a bracket system.
4a:
R1: Clans ranked 17-24 are randomly paired with the clans ranked 25-32
R2: Clans ranked 9-16 are randomly paired with the winners from R1
R3 Clans ranked 1-8 clans are randomly paired with the winers from R2
QF: Remainng clans ranked 1-4 are randomly paired with those ranked 4-8
SF: Remaining clans ranked 1-2 are randomly paried with those ranked 3-4
4b:
R1: Clans ranked 17-24 are paired with the clans ranked 25-32 using the system 17v32; 18v31 ... 24v25
R2: Clans ranked 9-16 are paired with the 8 winners from R1. 9v(24v25); 10v(23v26) ... 16v(17v32)
R3 Clans ranked 1-8 clans are paired with the winners from R2. 1-8. 1v[16v(17v32)]; 2v[15v(18v31)] ... 8v[9v(24v25)]
QF: Remaining 8 clans - 1v8, 2v7, 3v6, 4v5 (or winners of their previous matches)
SF: Remaining 4 clans - 1v4, 2v3 (or winners of their previous matches)
jetsetwilly wrote:Deliberately timing out in Escalating and Nuclear games to avoid taking a spoil will not be tolerated by any players.
HardAttack wrote:jetsetwilly wrote:Deliberately timing out in Escalating and Nuclear games to avoid taking a spoil will not be tolerated by any players.
This is ABSOLUTELY weird.
Once i turn it, how dare you speak/call it what i am gonna do, what i am gonna like to do ?
Maybe, you may like to show me/say it where to attack then it s all fine and stay inside rules, and where not to attack ?
Before i go more spesific, do you hear what you say here ? Someone please put down some logic to proove you are any correct in this.
You are simply pushing a player's strategy here...Well that and this annoys me big time.
I dont know who made your CDs and stuff, but you are not there to tell me if i am gonna run out time, miss my card, deliberately or unconciously...
How dare you put your nose in way i play my game ?
ahunda wrote:That´s cheap play, abuse of a loophole, as close to cheating as you can get. And I for one don´t want to see this kind of thing happening. So the rule has my full support.
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