Chariot of Fire wrote:J
I recall the first Clan League where TOFU - a relative newcomer to the clan scene but comprising very experienced players - had to play in the lower division. We let Nemesis take our place in the premier division rather than argue about it (coz I'm a super nice guy really) and then recorded something like a 78-6 result in our division, which kinda sucked for all those other clans in there with us.
I think it was actually Nemesis that offered you a spot and it wasn't taken up
(Though you did make the right point with sometimes discretion being the better part of valour)
eddie2 wrote:
But i seen there was a perfect example as to why these clans should not join.... someone mentioned "wild geese" the former nemisis clan who kept nemisis as a user group and started of a new... well how long did they last.... not even 12 months
eddie2 wrote:if you want something like this to happen you should not of posted them as requirements for joining this event, but you did there was no mention of allowing atlantis or vvv into this until it was decided to allow the aoc empire merger in
Eddie, this is my main problem with you. You rarely get your facts straight, and then use your opinions to present infallible truths. You sometimes do raise decent points, but you make our lives infinitely harder if you leak falsehoods into them every now & then...
The only person from Nemesis in Wild Geese was Pmchugh, alongside Nagerous from BPB, and the rest mostly from L4D.
Nemesis disbanded considerably later.
Secondly, as you said, Emp/AoC haven't even merged yet, while Atlantis & VVV were entered into CD&F considerably earlier when one of the other CD's raised the point that there was no need for an archaic approach, when the spirit of the ruling was always to ensure that clans had continuity
crispybits wrote:If you think a rule is wrong, then why didn't you think the rule was wrong when it applied to many others too? The rule was perfectly reasonable then. If you think the rule should be changed then that's fine, but to change it only when it clearly benefits people in the inner circle, having ignored the reasons given for change before that, stinks. Or are you only capable of seeing how rules can be unfair when they work against your own personal interests? And if that's true, what the hell are you doing as CDs?
Crispy, I've had very high regard for your opinions, & I can understand that you may be unhappy with the CD's, but I hope you won't use it as a sign to accuse us of anything & everything. I'm sure people will always be unhappy with any decisions we take, & that comes with the territory, but I hope the ammunition isn't with CD&F.
With regards to the Inner Circle, since that seems to be the most crucial point, I will reiterate that after we had disclosed the salient features of our merge, we had no more bearing on any decisions the other CD's took thereafter. We weren't particularly enchanted with the outcome since it led to our exclusion from the Clan League etc, but at the least that mitigates the advantage from any personal interest we may have gained.
(So far, the only tangible objection seems to be the participation in CD&F, but as I said earlier, that was enacted considerably earlier with Atlantis & VVV's inclusion)
However, since our independence seems to be such a contentious issue, I'm sure we'll take into account what possible safeguards we can institute after the merge. The thought of resignation does have it's appeal with so many voices baying for blood