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Pack Rat wrote:Hamas must be destroyed! The truth of October 7th must be shown to all Gazan Palestinians, that Hamas is truly a terrorist organization that invited a fierce retaliation from Israel.
They need to rid all Hamas terrorists from Gaza or face a continued military occupation with no hope of independence.
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Hamas Israel must be destroyed! The truth of October 7th must be shown to all Gazan Palestinians Jewish Israelis, that Hamas Israel is truly a terrorist organization that invited a fierce retaliation from Israel Hamas.
They need to rid all Hamas Israeli terrorists from Gaza Palrael or face a continued military occupation with no hope of independence.
Pack Rat wrote:The truth of October 7th must be shown to all Gazan Palestinians
Pack Rat wrote:face a continued military occupation with no hope of independence
saxitoxin wrote:Pack Rat wrote:The truth of October 7th must be shown to all Gazan Palestinians
The truth of May 15, 1948 to October 6, 2023 must be shown to all Israelis.Pack Rat wrote:face a continued military occupation with no hope of independence
That's why October 7 happened.
Pack Rat wrote:saxitoxin wrote:Pack Rat wrote:The truth of October 7th must be shown to all Gazan Palestinians
The truth of May 15, 1948 to October 6, 2023 must be shown to all Israelis.Pack Rat wrote:face a continued military occupation with no hope of independence
That's why October 7 happened.
...and why 2 million Gazan Palestinians have to suffer the sins of Hamas.
saxitoxin wrote:Pack Rat wrote:saxitoxin wrote:Pack Rat wrote:The truth of October 7th must be shown to all Gazan Palestinians
The truth of May 15, 1948 to October 6, 2023 must be shown to all Israelis.Pack Rat wrote:face a continued military occupation with no hope of independence
That's why October 7 happened.
...and why 2 million Gazan Palestinians have to suffer the sins of Hamas.
...and why 7 million Israelis have to suffer the sins of Zionism.
Dukasaur wrote:A people needs a homeland, and this homeland was assigned to them by the framers of the post-WWI peace.
Dukasaur wrote:Zionism is not a sin. A people needs a homeland, and this homeland was assigned to them by the framers of the post-WWI peace. I think the only reason there's still conflict there is that David LLoyd George didn't stay in office long enough to fulfil the promise. Zionists had to wait 30 years and another world war before they could claim what was given to them, and in the meantime the region became enmeshed in American and Russian machinations.
saxitoxin wrote:Dukasaur wrote:A people needs a homeland, and this homeland was assigned to them by the framers of the post-WWI peace.
The Sikhs don't have a homeland. Presumably, you'd be okay if the UN declared Ontario to be a Sikh homeland and a few million Sikhs showed up and kicked all current homeowners out of their houses without compensation. Because they need a homeland and Ontario was assigned to them.
Dukasaur wrote:That being said, His Britannic Majesty currently does have sovereignty over Ontario. No Arab held sovereignty over Palestine. It was an Ottoman possession, taken as spoils of war by the British.
Pack Rat wrote:Saxi is now scraping the bottom of the barrel for replies.
His whatabout this or whatabout that....
saxitoxin wrote:Dukasaur wrote:That being said, His Britannic Majesty currently does have sovereignty over Ontario. No Arab held sovereignty over Palestine. It was an Ottoman possession, taken as spoils of war by the British.
Great. So what's the big deal about the Palestinians attempting to take all of Israel by right of spoils of war? Everyone can take whatever and as much as they can grab.
Dukasaur wrote:saxitoxin wrote:Dukasaur wrote:That being said, His Britannic Majesty currently does have sovereignty over Ontario. No Arab held sovereignty over Palestine. It was an Ottoman possession, taken as spoils of war by the British.
Great. So what's the big deal about the Palestinians attempting to take all of Israel by right of spoils of war? Everyone can take whatever and as much as they can grab.
Well, ultimately, everyone can. But we can choose to try to prevent it.
Votanic wrote:Whataboutisms are awesome. Everybody should do some... and get some done to them too. All manner of inequalities and double standards will be revealed.
Of course one may counter by asking ever said the world was equal/fair/just... and why should everyone be held to the same standard.
...and so we return to the concept of power and who is really able to make the laws, or more precisely, effectively enforce the laws they make.
For we can all make laws (secular or religious, pragmatic or 'moral') at a moments notice, but if we cannot force them upon reality, they remain nothing more than idle whims and silly fancies.
I place 'moral' in quotes because all laws (nor the morals that underpin them) are truly based on power. Made by the powerful for the powerful. Axccess to and benefit from all laws is son visibly unequal, that it is truly amaxing that anyone ever argues otherwise. More likely is for the powerful to just patiently explain why they deserve or simply must have the myriad benefits denied to their inferiors. Any edict that seems to suggest equality, fairness, or mercy is either A) propaganda and public relations, or B) a reflection of the inate power still held by the hoi polloi that form the base of humanity's 'Great Pyramid', for I don't mean to suggest that anyone is ever all powerful or completely powerless. ...and so, take every liberty available to you: You've 'earned' it.
Take the best place available in the great, hierarchical pyramid of victors and victims, masters and slaves. Each position defined relative to those who crush from above and those stood on beneath. At this point, you may also decide if you want to interpret your position and world view as a matter of virtue, probability, skill, or luck.
No such thing as luck, you say?
On the contrary, everything is luck, including the possession of any skills or intelligence you may have... but what starts out as a lucky victory will soon be cemented as a moral virtue... and underlying probabilities remove most illusions free will. For we all know from life (and CC) tha twe can not long resist superior force and the great probability of success that accompanies it. By all means, stand up against the Juggernaut if you dare. At best it shalll be deemed a 'noble' and 'poetic' sacrifice, at worst (and more likely) a stupid and pointless gesture.
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