Golden Pantheon - Norse ~ Endgame, Scum win!

[pancakemix]

How about this, I will explain, if you tell me who you would have killed.

Fair enough. Given the lack of leads compelling enough to risk busdriver shenanigans, I doubt I would have shot anyone. I kinda agree with Thor's decision, that's part of why I asked the question in the first place.

And about me being abrasive... I don't think so. Just pointing out mistakes people make.

I beg to differ.

What's the point of even replacing? Obviously no one cares in this game.

Mr. Squirrel, you're next...

Thanks for reading up too! Just want to straighten you out about something though. It wasn't a case. It was a question. I understand the confusion because typically, people end questions with question marks, not periods. For further clarification, you should ask PCM. I don't know if you should use a question mark or not when you ask. I don't understand his rules or grasp of grammar.

The reason I responded to one thing is because I was obviously making a mockery of what was going on here and Mr. S took it serious and completely skimmed if he didn't realize what I said the first time.

^^And that's why.

You don't think there's a case on you?

PCM said there wasn't a case.

Well, if that isn't just the darndest word-twisting I ever saw.

PCM. He'll attack you with "questions" for other people.

You know why I said that. Stop harping on it.

I'm not gonna start calling out the J-word, but it really seems like you are trying to set yourself up here. That's just my opinion.

[chapcrap]

You know why I said that. Stop harping on it.

I'm not gonna start calling out the J-word, but it really seems like you are trying to set yourself up here. That's just my opinion.

I'm not trying to harp on anything. I was compelled to respond to the post. I didn't bring it up.

And I'm not a stinking Jester... Or did you mean jewel?

[pancakemix]

You know why I said that. Stop harping on it.

I'm not gonna start calling out the J-word, but it really seems like you are trying to set yourself up here. That's just my opinion.

I'm not trying to harp on anything. I was compelled to respond to the post. I didn't bring it up.

And I'm not a stinking Jester... Or did you mean jewel?

AHHHHH HE SAID IT

Really, though, edoc wouldn't do that because he's not a bastard.

[chapcrap]

You know why I said that. Stop harping on it.

I'm not gonna start calling out the J-word, but it really seems like you are trying to set yourself up here. That's just my opinion.

I'm not trying to harp on anything. I was compelled to respond to the post. I didn't bring it up.

And I'm not a stinking Jester... Or did you mean jewel?

AHHHHH HE SAID IT

Really, though, edoc wouldn't do that because he's not a bastard.

I'm not sure you know edoc that well.

[vodean]

and now he seems to be soft-claiming the j-word, so definitely time to kill him vote chapcrap

[pancakemix]

and now he seems to be soft-claiming the j-word, so definitely time to kill him vote chapcrap

No he isn't.

At any rate, I answered the question, chap. Now will you explain why you'd have killed everywhere?

[everywhere116]

I'm too lazy to come up with anything, so let's vote the active replacement who said he would have killed me.

Vote chapcrap

What's the point of even replacing? Obviously no one cares in this game.

Mr. Squirrel, you're next...

Thaat wasn't my perogative. Since DJ didn't think it was wise to use his remaining power to determine if you are scum, I figured we should conduct an old fashioned pressure vote to get a claim and gauge you reaction (which you don't seem to have done very well in the latter category.)

[Djfireside]

I had the idea of doing the mass question of 3 people earlier in the game and was saving it for that reason which may come into play now if need be. At this point we can force a claim out of chap or test my last power to see a range of people. There are 9 left and I know 2 are fine. Leaving 7 unanswered. I can give you a broad range if that is the route we want to go because that is pretty much the extent of it. I would like to see Chap claim just to see what we are dealing with since it doesnt appear they are going to be let go of.

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The case on chap is interesting, but I don't know, maybe it's just the meta talking but, I don't think he'd press so hard if scum, or maybe I just don't remember chap's meta...
It is worthy of a FOS, but I have one other case in mind first.
Vote Mr S
Clever has been hitting my scumdar HARD since day one.
He's been trying to convince us that Thor is a SK, he claimed some BS beloved super princessbomb, and despite DJ confirming that saf and/or him was lying, Saf refused to vote him and he refused to vote saf, even though if I were in that situation it would be the only logical conclusion I could have drawn as town. I can only conclude he was lying, and most likely the last scum.

[vodean]

The case on chap is interesting, but I don't know, maybe it's just the meta talking but, I don't think he'd press so hard if scum, or maybe I just don't remember chap's meta...
It is worthy of a FOS, but I have one other case in mind first.
Vote Mr S
Clever has been hitting my scumdar HARD since day one.
He's been trying to convince us that Thor is a SK, he claimed some BS beloved super princessbomb, and despite DJ confirming that saf and/or him was lying, Saf refused to vote him and he refused to vote saf, even though if I were in that situation it would be the only logical conclusion I could have drawn as town. I can only conclude he was lying, and most likely the last scum.

hmm... it is possible. Mr. S, we will undoubtedly be moving to you next, since your character haas been BWed already. So do you want to just claim now and save us the trouble?

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The case on chap is interesting, but I don't know, maybe it's just the meta talking but, I don't think he'd press so hard if scum, or maybe I just don't remember chap's meta...
It is worthy of a FOS, but I have one other case in mind first.
Vote Mr S
Clever has been hitting my scumdar HARD since day one.
He's been trying to convince us that Thor is a SK, he claimed some BS beloved super princessbomb, and despite DJ confirming that saf and/or him was lying, Saf refused to vote him and he refused to vote saf, even though if I were in that situation it would be the only logical conclusion I could have drawn as town. I can only conclude he was lying, and most likely the last scum.

hmm... it is possible. Mr. S, we will undoubtedly be moving to you next, since your character haas been BWed already. So do you want to just claim now and save us the trouble?

hm? are you posting in the right game?

[chapcrap]

and now he seems to be soft-claiming the j-word, so definitely time to kill him vote chapcrap

What? Weakest voting reason ever. Especially since I specifically said I was not a jester...

At any rate, I answered the question, chap. Now will you explain why you'd have killed everywhere?

Because he seemed scummy to me. When I read through, he wasn't adding anything to the discussion and multiple times went a week without posting. And when he did, it was just a one liner. Let's take a look, starting after the joke voting stopped:

I also don't see why Edoc intervened on this one...Meta is definitly not a good way to build a real case, but in this particular case..it's somewhat a valid note for day 1. I don't see why everyone jumped for this.

Possibly because of the connections with a game that saf has all knowledge of.

That is a post about Meta. Nothing super signifigant.

Ginsberg?

Ginsberg?

Strike's post autocorrected. I'm just making fun of him.

Ah. I see. Hilary us. Carrie on.

6 days later, he has a couple of posts about strike's chronic auto correct issues. So, instead of commenting on a case, he comments on that. Obviously following along, but no contribution.

Didn't you just tell us that you're a mason, though?

Questions vodean about Thor mason claim on May 31.

Well, there was the matter of him and jonty defending each other.
But, this new evidence does seem incriminating, vote saf, any ideas why night may have turned out this way?

Wait, how does saf being targeted by the vig signify him being scum? Can you clarify that for me? I agree he was acting somewhat scummy yesterday, but I don't see how this tips the scales.

He went over two weeks without posting and then posted this. Defends saf early in the case against him.

Well, since the mod has said the scene is innacurate, I suppose the case of the target being the potential killer isn't really there anymore, Unvote.

All of the scenes used to come with disclaimers that no game related info would be provided. Now people are divining info from the scenes.

So, I guess the only legitimate case remains in clever, then?

i will claim now since i dont know when i will be back on.

i am the FREYR when i am killed my hammer dies along with me and when i die i result a double night meaning two nights follow so mafia would get more kills (i assume thats how it works i was only told it was a double night.)

Your claim isn't without it's doubts. Freyr wasn't associated with a hammer (That's Thor's thing); he was a fertility god that was associated with a magical sword (phallic symbolism definitely intended). Although he is very important and I would expect him to be in the game.

Continues with a more veiled defense saying that CLEVER is the only legitimate case. And then tries to poke holes in CLEVER's claim.

In that case, Vote saf

Once it's clear that saf is going to be lynched, he goes ahead and votes him.

The whole game he hasn't contributed a thing and he has pretty much been non-committal about most things. He seems to just be trying to fly under the radar instead of remaining active and seeking cases. Add to that, he even tried to defend a mafia member multiple times. He only finally voted when it was evident that it was going to happen anyway.

So, that's why I would have vigged him. Since I'm not going to be able to vig him (I'm saying I'm not a vig, that's not a vig soft claim, vodean), I'll vote him. unvote vote everywhere

[Mr. Squirrel]

Chapcrap, your constant doses of cynicism and sarcasm are both annoying and hilarious and I honestly can't decide whether I want you to stop or not.

That said, that is a rather solid post you just made there. I don't know why you didn't share all these suspicions earlier, but I'll just leave that be. Lets see what everywhere responds with.

Vote Mr S
He's been trying to convince us that Thor is a SK, he claimed some BS beloved super princessbomb, and despite DJ confirming that saf and/or him was lying, Saf refused to vote him and he refused to vote saf, even though if I were in that situation it would be the only logical conclusion I could have drawn as town. I can only conclude he was lying, and most likely the last scum.

I've got a feeling your words will be forgotten due to Chap's far more elaborate post, so I guess I'll address them now before they are.

1) I honestly can't defend why Clever posted some of the things he posted. I have no idea why he did the things he did. Asking me to defend him is something I simply can't do because they weren't my words or thoughts.

2) As far as the claim, I understand it is pretty much the perfect scum claim, but its what my role is. The person who kills me dies, and the next day phase is skipped. There's no way for me to prove my claim, so you'll just have to believe me. If for some reason you decide you want to test my claim anyway, then this is how you should do it: chase down a scum on another player other than me and force them to hammer. At least that way my death will take down the next best lynch as well. If they refuse to hammer (because they are the last scum, most likely) then lynch them instead. My death is gonna screw over the town pretty bad (lose my vote, lose 1 other player, two scum NKs), so if you guys really wanna chase this down you need to do it in the best way possible.

Personally, if I had been clever, I would've just claimed beloved princess. That way I am a prime scum target and I could blow one of them up.

[everywhere116]

I admit that I haven't been as active as I should have been, particularly during Day 1. During that day and for most of Day 2, I had been active in 5 mafia games and modding another. I tried to post when I could here, but I had to focus elsewhere. I had the same problem in Matrix. That shouldn't be a problem anymore.

As for your assertions that I defended saf, I wasn't defending him. I clearly said that I thought that he was acting scummy. I just disapproved of the reasoning that used the information given in the opening scene as evidence against him, which I though was bullshit (still do), especially after edocsil dispelled the notion that the scene is a reliable source for us to gauge night actions from.

/, your post is good, but there is a factual error in your post. Saf did vote for Clever; he was the second person to do so.

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/, your post is good, but there is a factual error in your post. Saf did vote for Clever; he was the second person to do so.

Indeed, my mistake, but he unvoted while the whole "clever or saf is lying" was going on, which doesn't make sense to me.

[vodean]

ok so as it now stands it seems like everywhere and/or MS are scum. perhaps the last two. if we lynch one, i think thor might be convinced to vig the other. or does anyone have another case to present?

[Djfireside]

Ill check on that.

[Djfireside]

Vodean is not lying. One of them is scum.

[Djfireside]

UNVOTE

Just in case cause one of those is bad so mine as well determine which to hit

[soundman]

Vodean is not lying. One of them is scum.

Well in that case I think we should get a claim from Everywhere. I'm more inclined to lynch him over Mr. S just because if Mr. S is telling the truth then that would be bad for town. Vote Everywhere. Let's get a claim.

[Djfireside]

I guess soundman is right everywhere would be a point to start with

Vote Everywhere

[vodean]

yup. everywhere is definitely safer. but i think i may try to vig MS anyway... unvote vote every

[everywhere116]

I do not fear death. What I fear is someone manipulating Thor through busdriving or some other means to kill someone else or not to kill at all.

If you think I am more likely to be scum, then by all means, vote for me. But do not vote for me if you think I am more likely to be town and are banking on the fact that Thor can kill Squirrel.

Unvote vote Mr. Squirrel

[chapcrap]

I admit that I haven't been as active as I should have been, particularly during Day 1. During that day and for most of Day 2, I had been active in 5 mafia games and modding another. I tried to post when I could here, but I had to focus elsewhere. I had the same problem in Matrix. That shouldn't be a problem anymore.

The case was based solely on inactivity at all.

As for your assertions that I defended saf, I wasn't defending him. I clearly said that I thought that he was acting scummy. I just disapproved of the reasoning that used the information given in the opening scene as evidence against him, which I though was bullshit (still do), especially after edocsil dispelled the notion that the scene is a reliable source for us to gauge night actions from.

You said he seemed somewhat scummy, but never voted him for that and in fact said that he wasn't scummy enough. Of course you would say it that way if you were trying to cover him. You can't outright say that he's not scummy. That just aligns the two of you too much. And the very next post you said that CLEVER was the only case.

FASTPOSTED a lot because I took 3 hours to finish this message.

[chapcrap]

everywhere, you are at L-1 all of a sudden. That happened really quickly guys... Try and watch that.

I would say that the claim Mr. S has is a pretty great and outstanding scum claim. If we are lynching one to test, I would prefer everywhere because of Mr. S's claim, but I see Mr. S as being a fake claim really. It's just so daunting to try to lynch someone with that claim. Of course, if we did and were wrong, it may be ok because we're probably very far ahead of the mafia right now.