A Common-Sense PLEA against Clickmap use

[FabledIntegral]

No, not everyone can get it. I am not sure why I cant I believe it is because I use internet explorer. But several have told that they cannot even download it. And spreading the news to get EVERY SINGLE person to use it isnt worth it. As I said before, click map users are a minority on this site.

One way to rid this erroneous script is to make it a bannable offense. PM the site users and give plenty of time's warning. Close the thread that contains the download / script.

I'm pretty sure greasemonkey is a firefox only thing (or it was anyway). firefox is free and it doesn't explode like explorer. It's a better overall browser. Free to anyone. just download it and you'll be able to get the script.


Start spreading the news (do do do do do do do do do do)...it IS worth it because it's quite a good script since it makes play faster and easier than drop down menus.

Making it a bannable offense is a ludicrous idea. How do you prove someone is using it? You can't. You can only speculate. It's open to everyone so complaining about how it is unfair is illogical. This thing gives people an advantage and I can get it but I don't want to so lets ban people that do use it. That's a very stupid idea. It just is. I'm not flaming you. It's just a horrible idea with hardly any thought behind it (or at least not sensible thought).


btw, I don't even use this script (I don't play freestyle).

Its not fair though. Furthermore, why should people be forced to download "firefox" and then download clickable maps!!!

For this reason i stay clear of "freestyle". This game type is for cheaters and its really changed the site in a bad waY!

Because before you sign up the site tells you straight up the best performance can be achieved via using firefox. If you don't want the best experience, don't sign up, or suck it up. But CC itself advises FF as the suggested browser, therefore that is not an argument.

[lord voldemort]

If nothing is done, I am in the mean time going to place any cm user on ignore. I will gladly play any of you in not 1 v 1 games as the cm adv is more approachable though still it is bogus in several people's opinion.

FI - I would not download that script unless the whole CC did.

you can ignore me then....
just quit the whining..
pretty sure lack was thinking about implementing cm into the site anyway...
dont like it dont play freestyle...want to play freestyle get beaten or download the script.

[Pedronicus]

Nobody has DEFENDED the clickmaps. They have only attacked me or attacked 1 v 1 freestyle in general, a subtopic.

The amount of people downloading and using CM is sufficent defence.

[Bruceswar]

I couldn't give a shit about clickable maps in a 1v1, theres still skill involved that can win you the game. What I am extrememly pissed off about though is noobs in 8 player games who think that they're the shit just because they have clickable maps. They have literally 0 game knowledge and base their entire game strategy on just stealing kills.

A second, even more annoying aspect of clickable maps is those people that think that they can out-pace anyone before they cash. I'm sick of noobs running over half of my stacks because they think that they are fast enough to take around 5 terr's before someone cashes. Had a moron do that to me yesterday, and he acted as if he had made a legitimate move. Fucking tossers.

I happen to agree here. There are kills that should never be tried on certain players, with or without CM.

[ParadiceCity9]

I say we kill the one who made the script in the first place!

[Pedronicus]

As I said before, click map users are a minority on this site.

One way to rid this erroneous script is to make it a bannable offense. PM the site users and give plenty of time's warning. Close the thread that contains the download / script.

The more I read of what you are writing / petitioning for, the madder I get.
When I first joined this site - there were three maps. I play all sequential games therefore the speed of taking moves makes no difference to the outcome of my games.
What clickable maps offers me is the oppertunity of not having the scroll through a huge drop down menu of utter bollox territory names that come with maps like conquerman. I simply point at where i want to attack.

This site has now introduced the medals to encourage people to play different maps and that is what I'm doing. Just because you are loosing some stupid setting that you choose to play, you want everyone else to suffer.

You're just being selfish.

[brandoncfi]

Freestyle sucks. Clickable Maps exploits this, but the suckiness originates in Freestyle itself.

Completely agree with this.

C.

me too.

I mainly use CM in order to quickly take sequential turns on big maps with complex territory names - I would hate to have that discontinued just because of freestyle.

Freestyle is lame dude stop complaining about shit when you play shit

[daydream]

i have read that lack is intending to add clickable maps to the site. that way, noone will suffer that terrible terrible disadvantage anymore. oh and i'm a clicky. foe me if you want. this is my care-cup: \_/ see, it's empty.

in case you are interested though, i use cm to avoid silly misdeploys and misattacks that can easily happen on maps with territories named by numbers. i rarely ever play freestyle. and i doubt i am much (if any) faster than regular users, because my internet just isnt that quick, and my laptop is old.

[Bruceswar]

Freestyle is lame dude stop complaining about shit when you play shit

Freestyle is what it is. You may call it lame, but many like it. CM is what it is. Many like and some do not. To call out a style,one of which you do not play, is rather lame. Weather you are good or not at it, there is a ton of skill needed to win an 8 man freestyle speed game. Think not? Check out all the last winners of this game style. You will find out of the last 50 games a major or up has won all but say 1 or 2.

[Pedronicus]

Think not? Check out all the last winners of this game style. You will find out of the last 50 games a major or up has won all but say 1 or 2.

well of course it will be won by someone of that rank or higher, the game settings favour the experienced in that field, where a certain tactic is key to winning the game.
sequential games are won by anyone because the game gives everyone a fair shot.

[Bruceswar]

well of course it will be won by someone of that rank or higher, the game settings favour the experienced in that field, where a certain tactic is key to winning the game.
sequential games are won by anyone because the game gives everyone a fair shot.

Not to veer off topic but I cannot agree there. If someone goes for a kill in SEQ and misses by 1 army the next player in line gets to mop up and run the table. Where was your chance? With Freestyle you get the chance to steal a kill before the next player. Sure CM makes everybody a bit faster, but there is a ton of SKILL involved to win the games. If Speed was the main reason people won Manimal would win more. In fact I cannot remember the last time he won an 8 man. He is like a Drunk driver with CM. Speed does not equal skill...

[Timminz]

If Speed was the main reason people won Manimal would win more. In fact I cannot remember the last time he won an 8 man. He is like a Drunk driver with CM. Speed does not equal skill...

And yet, he has managed to break 2500 points by playing them. I think you just made a point that is opposite to the one intended.

[Androidz]

Lol im a good player of freestyle and i could easly play as fast as a clickable user.

So i cant really see your problem, this tread sounds more like another way complaining and winning.

[FabledIntegral]

If Speed was the main reason people won Manimal would win more. In fact I cannot remember the last time he won an 8 man. He is like a Drunk driver with CM. Speed does not equal skill...

And yet, he has managed to break 2500 points by playing them. I think you just made a point that is opposite to the one intended.

No he did not - look up his freestyle score on 8-p escalating freestyle. He is something like a lieutenant. He made it through 1v1's and such...

Also I disagree that sequential is more fair. In 1v1's, the person who goes first has a massive advantage. In upper tier games, a lot depends on if the person before you hangs someone or not.

[Pedronicus]

If you look at my games 95% are six player sequential. 1v1 is a game of luck as to who goes first.
If you have the ability to go first quicker than the next player - game over 80% of the time. thats not skill - thats luck and if you want to play 1v1 games and moan - then f*ck off and play chess.

[Bruceswar]

If Speed was the main reason people won Manimal would win more. In fact I cannot remember the last time he won an 8 man. He is like a Drunk driver with CM. Speed does not equal skill...

And yet, he has managed to break 2500 points by playing them. I think you just made a point that is opposite to the one intended.

He played 1 vs 1's to break 2500. He stopped playing 1 vs 1's and went back to a first class SGT. That says it all right there.

[Pedronicus]

so we are now officially discussing the abilities of a sub standard player. great thread.

[spikeboat]

again its like people argue in circles... who cares if CM makes manimal better or worse...

the facts still remain...

RT CC FREESTYLE IS NOT RISK!... never will be... just a fun game inspired by the other... quit trying to pretend it is.

freestyle rewards speed...

clickable maps does make you faster...

so does internet, computer, having a mouse over a touch pad, not being so damn old, ect...

together these are all things that if correctly utilized make you a better freestyle player...

it really makes no sense to say oh i am faster than him for this reason but he is faster than me for the other reason so we need to ban that reason... its like no, download firefox, get a good comp, get dsl/cable, a mouse, and some vagisil, and some damn good strategy if you really want to be the best of the best in freestyle...

the only other option would be banning freestyle all together... which is never going to happen so give it up.

[Ditocoaf]

Why are we still discussing this? I thought I already won this thread when the OP conceded the point to me.

In every other game but Freestlye, clickable maps gives no advantage to the user. In a normal, sensible Sequential game, clickable maps simply makes it more convenient, and less annoying, to control the game. I love having this option, and it gives me no unfair advantage. You wish to ban this because it gives someone an unfair advantage in Freestlye. You forget that a lot of things give someone an unfair advantage in Freestyle. Better internet speed is a huge advantage; unlimited free time is another huge advantage. The game type itself is horribly flawed. So why should we remove something that is nice, and harmless, in other game styles, just to fix PART of a problem with a flawed game style?. I don't play freestlye anymore--clickable maps isn't cheating for me--so don't tell me that I'm not allowed to use this.

Ah ha! now this is a good defending post.

I suppose the best way for me to approach this issue is to ignore any clickmap users who play 1 v 1 freestyle. Of course, that sucks, as most of the "best" players here use it ... on 1 v 1 freestyle ... Id say 80% of the top 10... but ah well, if I am forced to download the damned things I will, but I doubt that that time is anywhere near. At least I got where I am by using what I got, rather than add-ons...

[PepperJack]

To hopefully quell the "I can't get it, I use IE" part of the argument.

IE7Pro allows for userjs and greasemonkey scripts to be run.

[FabledIntegral]

Shouldn't matter - CC itself tells you for the "best experience" one should use firefox.

[yeti_c]

well of course it will be won by someone of that rank or higher, the game settings favour the experienced in that field, where a certain tactic is key to winning the game.
sequential games are won by anyone because the game gives everyone a fair shot.

Not to veer off topic but I cannot agree there. If someone goes for a kill in SEQ and misses by 1 army the next player in line gets to mop up and run the table. Where was your chance?

Their chance was when they tried to kill someone and missed with 1 army... your chance was before that - but you didn't take it.

C.

[prismsaber]

well of course it will be won by someone of that rank or higher, the game settings favour the experienced in that field, where a certain tactic is key to winning the game.
sequential games are won by anyone because the game gives everyone a fair shot.

Not to veer off topic but I cannot agree there. If someone goes for a kill in SEQ and misses by 1 army the next player in line gets to mop up and run the table. Where was your chance?

Their chance was when they tried to kill someone and missed with 1 army... your chance was before that - but you didn't take it.

C.

Moreover, being properly deployed and properly blocking will put one in the best position to take advantage of hangings. Also, playing in games with higher ranks really diminishes the amount of hangings.

To me, the very top of the scoreboard represents the best freestyle players or those who know how take advantage of the system best (almost always involving freestyle) whether it be 1v1 against noobs (the torcav strategy) or playing game settings that only attract noobs (the klobber/king herpes strategy).

Clearly then, the top of the scoreboard is not truly indicative of the best players, and certainly not the best traditional risk style players.

[Scott-Land]

If nothing is done, I am in the mean time going to place any cm user on ignore. I will gladly play any of you in not 1 v 1 games as the cm adv is more approachable though still it is bogus in several people's opinion.

FI - I would not download that script unless the whole CC did.

Interested in any top tier 6 Man, Standard, Seq, Chained forts ? I'll gladly make 10 or so- I promise no wicky micky clicky.....

[daydream]

If nothing is done, I am in the mean time going to place any cm user on ignore. I will gladly play any of you in not 1 v 1 games as the cm adv is more approachable though still it is bogus in several people's opinion.

FI - I would not download that script unless the whole CC did.

Interested in any top tier 6 Man, Standard, Seq, Chained forts ? I'll gladly make 10 or so- I promise no wicky micky clicky.....

oh oh oh pick me!