New Jedi Order Mafia MOZ & VONG WIN

[Fircoal]

The submarining is not intentional. I've got school work now, plus I'm constantly training in SSBM. I've got plenty of other things to worry about.

Training is SSBM...


I think I should do that tonight.

I SHOULD be doing that too tonight, but I'm lazy. and busy

[Fircoal]

The submarining is not intentional. I've got school work now, plus I'm constantly training in SSBM. I've got plenty of other things to worry about.

QFT Except I have different reasons.

you're in this game too?

[Serbia]

The submarining is not intentional. I've got school work now, plus I'm constantly training in SSBM. I've got plenty of other things to worry about.

QFT Except I have different reasons.

you're in this game too?

Maybe.

[Fircoal]

The submarining is not intentional. I've got school work now, plus I'm constantly training in SSBM. I've got plenty of other things to worry about.

QFT Except I have different reasons.

you're in this game too?

Maybe.

PLAYERS Alive

1. Anarkistsdream X

3. Got tonkaed X
4. Mountain Lion X
5. Fircoal X
6. Pancakemix X
7. Talapus X
8. AK Iceman 2.0 (replace Aegnor)

10. jnd94 X
12. Wicked X

14. Ga7 X
15. Syzygy X
16. Selin X
17.Serbia X

19.Kalishnikov (replacing Willis)
20.Trestain X
21.Nagerus X
22.Skittles! X
23.Neutrino X
24.Skoffin X


27. Gimpy (replacing Life-saver) X
28. Huckelberryhound (replacing Xen Cobra) X
29. Minister Masket X
30.Freezie
31.Kwanton X

me thinks it's a yes.

[AK_iceman]

Fircoal, if you can't be bothered to check the first page to see who's playing, or actually try and help the town by posting constructively during the day, then I really don't see a reason for you to stick around.

[Serbia]

Fircoal, if you can't be bothered to check the first page to see who's playing, or actually try and help the town by posting constructively during the day, then I really don't see a reason for you to stick around.

QFT!

[Fircoal]

Fircoal, if you can't be bothered to check the first page to see who's playing, or actually try and help the town by posting constructively during the day, then I really don't see a reason for you to stick around.

GOD, you are retarded. I never meant it in that way. I basically mean it in a way of, you've been posting so little, I forgot you were here. POST MORE! Of course they are playing otherwise they wouldn't of posted. And I have been posting, I post what I think, and I try. I post more then some of the people in this game, and I don't know why everyone is going after me. I try to post constructively, but that is really in the eye of the beholder on whether it is or not. The more you post AK, the more I'm glad I'm voting you.

[Serbia]

Fircoal, if you can't be bothered to check the first page to see who's playing, or actually try and help the town by posting constructively during the day, then I really don't see a reason for you to stick around.

GOD, you are retarded. I never meant it in that way. I basically mean it in a way of, you've been posting so little, I forgot you were here. POST MORE! Of course they are playing otherwise they wouldn't of posted. And I have been posting, I post what I think, and I try. I post more then some of the people in this game, and I don't know why everyone is going after me. I try to post constructively, but that is really in the eye of the beholder on whether it is or not. The more you post AK, the more I'm glad I'm voting you.

I think you're being mean Freddy.

[Fircoal]

Fircoal, if you can't be bothered to check the first page to see who's playing, or actually try and help the town by posting constructively during the day, then I really don't see a reason for you to stick around.

GOD, you are retarded. I never meant it in that way. I basically mean it in a way of, you've been posting so little, I forgot you were here. POST MORE! Of course they are playing otherwise they wouldn't of posted. And I have been posting, I post what I think, and I try. I post more then some of the people in this game, and I don't know why everyone is going after me. I try to post constructively, but that is really in the eye of the beholder on whether it is or not. The more you post AK, the more I'm glad I'm voting you.

I think you're being mean Freddy.

and I think AK is being retarded. He's just adding more reasons, to why I blacklisted him.

[AK_iceman]

and I think AK is being retarded. He's just adding more reasons, to why I blacklisted him.

LOL! I'm going to go off-topic for a second just to say that I've never played in one of your games, and I've never planned on it.

And yes, I think there are several players in this game that have contributed less than the average player. Including MM, HBH, and you. There's probably more, but those are the 3 that stick out for me. Please start contributing more, thanks.

[Fircoal]

and I think AK is being retarded. He's just adding more reasons, to why I blacklisted him.

LOL! I'm going to go off-topic for a second just to say that I've never played in one of your games, and I've never planned on it.

And yes, I think there are several players in this game that have contributed less than the average player. Including MM, HBH, and you. There's probably more, but those are the 3 that stick out for me. Please start contributing more, thanks.

Well I'm trying to contribute but it isn't always the easiest thing. Especially when people say that you're not. Also, it seems you've been singling me out, and not saying about MM, or HBH.

[Anarkistsdream]

Just remember, F, it's only a game...

Freddie, huh?

I'll remember that.

[Huckleberryhound]

and I think AK is being retarded. He's just adding more reasons, to why I blacklisted him.

LOL! I'm going to go off-topic for a second just to say that I've never played in one of your games, and I've never planned on it.

And yes, I think there are several players in this game that have contributed less than the average player. Including MM, HBH, and you. There's probably more, but those are the 3 that stick out for me. Please start contributing more, thanks.

With respect, i was a sub for this game, so counting my posts is really not that fair.

[MountainLion]

Firth couldn't get the role because he knows relevant info concerning HIS role.

If Luke Skywalker (Firth) had information concerning his role, that would be some kind of Jedi Master (good guy) information. Now if he can't play Aegnor/AK's role then that, in my mind, means he is in some way on a different side of this game than Luke Skywalker. We know there is the Vong, we've had a survivor and lyncher, but no matter what the role is, we know it's not on the Jedi side. Am I right or am I missing something?

[ga7]

Sigh... This game is taking a turn for the worst.
Putting Fir in the same bag with HBH and MM seems a bit far fetched. If you want to lynch a non-contributor the other two are way ahead in that.
I'm curious of Mandy's answer regarding Firth, but I don't really buy it. So many people jumping on that doesn't sit right either.

[freezie]

Firth couldn't get the role because he knows relevant info concerning HIS role.

If Luke Skywalker (Firth) had information concerning his role, that would be some kind of Jedi Master (good guy) information. Now if he can't play Aegnor/AK's role then that, in my mind, means he is in some way on a different side of this game than Luke Skywalker. We know there is the Vong, we've had a survivor and lyncher, but no matter what the role is, we know it's not on the Jedi side. Am I right or am I missing something?

To me it sounds like he had a source of information the rest of the town doesn't have. So wether he is a good guy or not, he probably knew something only luke would know, and that is why he couldn't replace.

It's the same with a cop killed later in the game.

[trestain]

^^^i tend to agree with this, although it does not mean AK2.0 is not scum it is pretty obvious that firth could not replace because of his previous role not because of this new one.

FOS ML and Fircoal for still pushing this lynch

[Skittles!]

Hey, I got a response! but now i'm going to unvote

What do we have at the moment apart from the hopes that Mandy didn't swap Aegnor with Firth because he was scum. That's been disproved, so now where do we go from here?

[kwanton]

AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!11

I dunno what to do!.

On the one hand the fact that firth could not replace aegnor could mean that aegnor is on an anti-town side and firth new too much about other pro-towns so it would give him an unfair advantage. On the other hand we do not know exactly what extra info Luke had so I think the bandwagon was a bit premature.

I don't want to even FOS all the bandwagoners because I see where they are coming from. But which one of you started this whole thing? Oh and AK you were right on a couple of your suspicions so what thoughts do you have on the remaining players? (This I'll take with a grain of salt because of the whole aegnor/firth thing.)

[nagerous]

hmmm freezie has displayed a lot of sensible logic over the last few pages so I'll guess I'll unvote (although theres a possibility he might be playing us knowing this dumb bandwagon will never go through anyway lol )

Despite freddy fircoal's involvement in this bandwagon I believe him to be pro-town and therefore am not going to vote for him. There are also a number of people submarining but its a hard job trying to find the scum from the submariners. Looking at the list of names theres not really one that automatically sticks out but I have a small suspicion on tonka. Usually we hear him shouting from the hills about being the "pro-town hero" but in this game he has been strangely quiet. Maybe the "pro-town hero" is not so pro-town today and isn't a hero, but maybe a villian . Something to think about

[nagerous]

EBWOP: dumb bandwagon refferring to the one on Aegnor

[Neutrino]

It's good that this bandwagon against Aegnor/AK seems to have died, as there never actually seemed to be any substance behind it. Jedi function like Masons (I remember reading that a while back) and so Firth would know the identity of all the Jedi. Obviously this knowledge would be unfair in the hands of any non-Jedi, so I can see whle Mandy didn't let him replace. Really all it proves is that Aegnor/AK is not a Jedi; exactly the same as the majority of the Republic side (it would be more than a little unfair if the entire town was composed of powerrole masons). Of course, it dosen't prove that he is not scum (AK never found out anyone's role, so there would be no problems giving him a scum role) but it does put enough doubt into the issue to stop a quick bandwagon.

Now, onto who I am actually suspiscous of: MM, Huck and Fircoal. All submariners. MM always seems to play this way, nothing especially scummy in this game and Huck only recently entered the game, but Fircoal dosen't really have anything going for him. I know he posted his reasons for submarining, but that was quite a few pages ago. Someone care to point me in the right direction?
I seem to recall something about busyness or personal problems (please, correct me if I'm wrong). If this is true, why did you make 18 pages of posts in the last two days? That certainly dosen't sound like the actions of someone pressed for time.

FOS: Fircoal

[Syzygy]

People are right when they say that just because Firth, who was jedi, couldn't replace Aegnor it wasn't solid evidence that Aegnor was scum.

It does seem suspicious though, but its not that big a deal.

Hence, Unvote.

Fircoal hasn't really been submarining that much lately though, so I don't think he warrants any votes.

[kalishnikov]

Looking at the list of names theres not really one that automatically sticks out but I have a small suspicion on tonka. Usually we hear him shouting from the hills about being the "pro-town hero" but in this game he has been strangely quiet. Maybe the "pro-town hero" is not so pro-town today and isn't a hero, but maybe a villian . Something to think about

I was thinking about this also, especially over the last day or two.

FOS: gt

[Selin]

Ok, I'm all caught up now.

First off, I do not know why Mandy couldn't let Firth replace Aegnor. But, I've seen some pretty strange arguments to lynch because of it...

Still looking for Aegnor's replacement.

so Aegnor's character is on an opposing side of Luke Skywalker? no need to find a replacement

unvote

vote Aegnor

And if AK_iceman and Firth were both pro-Jedi, then why would he let me replace Aegnor and not Firth?

You're welcome. Of course, had I told you WHAT Firth knows, I would feel real guilty now.

I think Firth just had more info than a normal townie concerning other roles in the game, thus he couldn't possibly have replaced anyone. Mandy just had a brain-fart or something...

Bandwagons shouldn't really be formed based on anything the mod says anyway, but I though I should defend it since it's already at 6 or 7 votes.

After doing a re-read, I didn't pick up anything too incriminating, but I would like to point out the number of inactive/worthless players we have right now.
*Skoffin - Haven't seen him in about 20 pages
*Minister Masket - Hasn't posted anything worth reading this game
*Fircoal - Definately submarining

Also, after reading my new role I now trust wicked to be pro-town 100%, and trestain and AD just moved up a notch in my book also. There was a previous post about "luck of the dice", which I understand now.

Anyway, let's prod the inactive players and see what comes of it.

Hmmm...

24 hours ago I was almost sure that I found another scum after Mandy's post. The logic behind it was that mandy would not let a former powerful pro-town role owner with the knowledge of Jedi capabilities to replace a mafia role, because mafia would have had unfair information about jedi's capabilities. After reading all the posts including mandy's, I'm not so sure of this logic anymore. However, I'm also not fully convinced to unvote AK iceman.

AK, you wrote you trust wicked %100, indicating that your new role is same as hers. Please read wicked's role claim wording on page 26 which I copied below and tell if the wording is the same as wicked wrote. Of course I don't mean her name, but every word other than her name.

ok fine Freezie...

You are Ganner Rhysode (Jedi Knight)

Being a Jedi, you...

[blocked to protect other jedi's]


You win if all the threats to the new Republic have been eliminated.

Confirm in the game thread.