The Thing TOWN WINS!

[Extreme Ways]

@Son!c what experience do you have with Traf losing? As far as I know, you've only played the Tick Mafia with him.

Not in mafia games that is true. But if you can't stand losing in other games it's the same thing right

You can ask Traf if he can't stand losing, pretty sure he won't deny that fact.

But that by itself doesnt make him the Thing neither.

So basically, you pulled that out of your ass.

Unvote Vote Son!c

Even if hes town, his behavior is just going to hurt us in the long run.

Lol, Traf admitted it right? So nothing was pulled out my arse. We played a lot of cc risk games together while texting on whatsapp

The fact that Traf admitted so after you posted doesnt right it that you stated it as truth before it was confirmed.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Ok, I reread post from D1 to see who was onto Pix, the one that flame him is most likely town.
So EW and Swang were the more heavily into Pix even voted for BT on Pix. Ragian and Strike were a bit concerned about Pix being to quiet. So I think one of these 4 burned Pixar.

Having said that I think we should BT someone else from these 4 and not BT Deg as even if he was converted is not the recruited.

So it leaves Sonic, Charle, Votanic and Myself.

The Thing might be on the first 4 too, but there is a chance one of the was the one that burned Pix.

[SoN!c]

@Son!c what experience do you have with Traf losing? As far as I know, you've only played the Tick Mafia with him.

Not in mafia games that is true. But if you can't stand losing in other games it's the same thing right

You can ask Traf if he can't stand losing, pretty sure he won't deny that fact.

But that by itself doesnt make him the Thing neither.

So basically, you pulled that out of your ass.

Unvote Vote Son!c

Even if hes town, his behavior is just going to hurt us in the long run.

Lol, Traf admitted it right? So nothing was pulled out my arse. We played a lot of cc risk games together while texting on whatsapp

The fact that Traf admitted so after you posted doesnt right it that you stated it as truth before it was confirmed.

Yes, but that is because i do not want to use private information in a game. So i was very relucatant to post it.

[Ragian]

I can dig what you're saying there, Traf. Would've loved it if you had put quotes to substantiate that because I don't have the time to walk through D1 right now. I will, though. (I should also add that I didn't find Pix scummy apart from his lack of participation which he blamed on RL.)

I get an odd feeling that Votanic is talking a lot about the film and the what ifs rather than looking at people's gameplay, but it's only something that I've just picked up based on this post below:

Looks like a kill from the scene. Kinda obvious, too. Why would you think it was a modkill?

Mostly because there seemed to be a consensus that all town players were Vanilla... and the Thing would presumably convert a player, not kill him.

Actually, the Thing in the movie does kill just as often as he converts, but never with fire. In fact, fire was only used by the humans to kill the Thing.
The two characters in the movie that I recall using flamethrowers were MacReady and Childs...

Also, it does seem a little odd for a vigilante player to target Pixar, though I suppose lack of participation is generally considered scummy.

I don't know that there was a consensus about only VTs in the game... And then there's the "this stuff happens in the film". It rubs me the wrong way as a way of posting without saying anything. Votanic does, however, give his take on Pix.

[SoN!c]

Ok, I reread post from D1 to see who was onto Pix, the one that flame him is most likely town.
So EW and Swang were the more heavily into Pix even voted for BT on Pix. Ragian and Strike were a bit concerned about Pix being to quiet. So I think one of these 4 burned Pixar.

Having said that I think we should BT someone else from these 4 and not BT Deg as even if he was converted is not the recruited.

So it leaves Sonic, Charle, Votanic and Myself.

The Thing might be on the first 4 too, but there is a chance one of the was the one that burned Pix.

I think we should not discuss who "the flamer" is. He is the only town hero with powers (= MacReady). The Things will wanna find out who MacReady is to recruit him.

Look, it's pretty obvious what we need to do but if i post it then somebody will say "Good plan, i don't have a better plan myself but you could be steering it this way so let's not use it".

Right now we are Buzzie, Flaps, Ziggy, and Dizzy saying "What you want to do. Look, flaps, first I say what we're gonna do, then you say, I don't know. What do you wanna do? to each other.

https://youtu.be/PZDo-udXmgQ?si=qeGFD81kE2dgmx-B

[Ragian]

Well...if we could agree that one person is defo town and we BT another, we have a lot better odds at hitting The Thing.

[SoN!c]

Well...if we could agree that one person is defo town and we BT another, we have a lot better odds at hitting The Thing.

But The Things are gonna recruit him tonight that way and we lose our only hero with powers..

"Deg's plan with a twist" is the only plan that is still in play.

We BT Traf. If he's positive he should be the recruiter (i don't think the Thing recruited Traf since he was on BT list for D2 with many).

So if we BT Traf it's a 50%-50% scenario:

He is positive or not.

And if he's not, he can lay out the names to be BT/Lynched on D3.

You can lynch me if Traf checks out town.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

I can dig what you're saying there, Traf. Would've loved it if you had put quotes to substantiate that because I don't have the time to walk through D1 right now. I will, though. (I should also add that I didn't find Pix scummy apart from his lack of participation which he blamed on RL.)

Will try to get the quotes - Woke up with a nasty stye so was not in the mood to be all detailed.

Well...if we could agree that one person is defo town and we BT another, we have a lot better odds at hitting The Thing.

But The Things are gonna recruit him tonight that way and we lose our only hero with powers.

"Deg's plan with a twist" is the only plan that is still in play.

We BT Traf. If he's positive he should be the recruiter (i don't think the Thing recruited Traf since he was on BT list for D2 with many).

So if we BT Traf it's a 50%-50% scenario:

He is positive or not.

And if he's not, he can lay out the names to be BT/Lynched on D3.

You can lynch me if Traf checks out town.

I'm not trying to find the flamethrower, but if we do as Rag said its one less player we have to check, at least for today.

Also, how is that BTme a 50-50 scenario, its a 22Thing-78town scenario. I know again I'll come clean today so if u get people to BTme at least we can assure again you are still as off an trying to get people ideas that are not true. but at least I would ahve a very strong saying on who we should lynch. But on the other side I know it will be a wasted BT again

[SoN!c]

We need MacReady and his flamer alive if or when we lose vote majority..

So that fact alone should be enough to not search for him, besides i think i know who MacReady is. Another reason to BT Traf and lynch me before i get converted..

Just BT Traf guys. Like we should have done D1.


Saying "i'll come clean" is per definition a useless claim. Nobody can know this for a fact..and The Thing will say the same 100%.

I know i'll come clean too..

So make up your mind: BT one and lynch the other..

[Extreme Ways]

I can dig what you're saying there, Traf. Would've loved it if you had put quotes to substantiate that because I don't have the time to walk through D1 right now. I will, though. (I should also add that I didn't find Pix scummy apart from his lack of participation which he blamed on RL.)

Will try to get the quotes - Woke up with a nasty stye so was not in the mood to be all detailed.

Well...if we could agree that one person is defo town and we BT another, we have a lot better odds at hitting The Thing.

But The Things are gonna recruit him tonight that way and we lose our only hero with powers.

"Deg's plan with a twist" is the only plan that is still in play.

We BT Traf. If he's positive he should be the recruiter (i don't think the Thing recruited Traf since he was on BT list for D2 with many).

So if we BT Traf it's a 50%-50% scenario:

He is positive or not.

And if he's not, he can lay out the names to be BT/Lynched on D3.

You can lynch me if Traf checks out town.

I'm not trying to find the flamethrower, but if we do as Rag said its one less player we have to check, at least for today.

Also, how is that BTme a 50-50 scenario, its a 22Thing-78town scenario. I know again I'll come clean today so if u get people to BTme at least we can assure again you are still as off an trying to get people ideas that are not true. but at least I would ahve a very strong saying on who we should lynch. But on the other side I know it will be a wasted BT again

Easy, either you're the thing or you're not. 50/50.

This is a joke in case I need to add that.

[Extreme Ways]

We need MacReady and his flamer alive if or when we lose vote majority..

So that fact alone should be enough to not search for him, besides i think i know who MacReady is. Another reason to BT Traf and lynch me before i get converted..

Just BT Traf guys. Like we should have done D1.


Saying "i'll come clean" is per definition a useless claim. Nobody can know this for a fact..and The Thing will say the same 100%.

I know i'll come clean too..

So make up your mind: BT one and lynch the other..

I've just been reading Traf's entry and Sonic's immediate response and am just wondering, is there ever a world in which Thing Traf recruited Sonic to have less heat on him, followed by Sonic increasing the heat because he feels like he'll be caught?

[SoN!c]

We need MacReady and his flamer alive if or when we lose vote majority..

So that fact alone should be enough to not search for him, besides i think i know who MacReady is. Another reason to BT Traf and lynch me before i get converted..

Just BT Traf guys. Like we should have done D1.


Saying "i'll come clean" is per definition a useless claim. Nobody can know this for a fact..and The Thing will say the same 100%.

I know i'll come clean too..

So make up your mind: BT one and lynch the other..

I've just been reading Traf's entry and Sonic's immediate response and am just wondering, is there ever a world in which Thing Traf recruited Sonic to have less heat on him, followed by Sonic increasing the heat because he feels like he'll be caught?

That would be a great play right? Only one way to find out..

[degaston]

I think we should not discuss who "the flamer" is. He is the only town hero with powers (= MacReady). The Things will wanna find out who MacReady is to recruit him.

I don't know if that's even true. From the signup thread:

So I'm eliminating Mac as a town hero and immunity since it just feels OP, however, I'll keep the random choice for the Thing and introduce a new mechanic for town to combat cult/keep with the theme

As for me, I wasn't recruited last night, but I don't expect to be trusted much today anyway.
It wouldn't make sense for the thing to just recruit the blood-tested - that would make it too easy to clean up the recruits after the original Thing is lynched.

[Votanic]

I can dig what you're saying there, Traf. Would've loved it if you had put quotes to substantiate that because I don't have the time to walk through D1 right now. I will, though. (I should also add that I didn't find Pix scummy apart from his lack of participation which he blamed on RL.)

I get an odd feeling that Votanic is talking a lot about the film and the what ifs rather than looking at people's gameplay, but it's only something that I've just picked up based on this post below:

Looks like a kill from the scene. Kinda obvious, too. Why would you think it was a modkill?

Mostly because there seemed to be a consensus that all town players were Vanilla... and the Thing would presumably convert a player, not kill him.

Actually, the Thing in the movie does kill just as often as he converts, but never with fire. In fact, fire was only used by the humans to kill the Thing.
The two characters in the movie that I recall using flamethrowers were MacReady and Childs...

Also, it does seem a little odd for a vigilante player to target Pixar, though I suppose lack of participation is generally considered scummy.

I don't know that there was a consensus about only VTs in the game... And then there's the "this stuff happens in the film". It rubs me the wrong way as a way of posting without saying anything. Votanic does, however, give his take on Pix.

Ragian, take the time to watch the movie. Besides being a great film, it will also show you what inspired DDS to make this game. Of course, he must have changed many things, but some of the movie will be in the game mechanics. Do I think I'll find concrete answers there, No, I do not, but it actually feels more grounded than a lot of the fatuous scum-tells being bandied about.

The only two people that stand out as 'extra special' to me are Sonic for his too-scummy-to be scum (or not*) play style and dega for being blood-tested, but that was yesterday. Still don't get why Traf or EW are considered extra scummy by some.

*If Sonic does turn out to be the Thing and gets away with it because nobody though it was worth BTing him, I will face-palm myself hard enough to give myself a concussion, therefore: BT Sonic

As for the vigilante, if there is a vigilante (and evidence suggests there is), he doesn't have particularly good aim, at least so far. That's totally understandable, but if town wants to be cautious about lynches it should also encourage the vigilante to not be reckless either. I wonder if he has a limited number of flame thrower uses? ...and I also wonder if he still would have that power if converted? A scary thought, but doubtful ...though in the movie (yes, that again) nothing stops the Thing from using human weapons.

[SoN!c]

I can dig what you're saying there, Traf. Would've loved it if you had put quotes to substantiate that because I don't have the time to walk through D1 right now. I will, though. (I should also add that I didn't find Pix scummy apart from his lack of participation which he blamed on RL.)

I get an odd feeling that Votanic is talking a lot about the film and the what ifs rather than looking at people's gameplay, but it's only something that I've just picked up based on this post below:

Looks like a kill from the scene. Kinda obvious, too. Why would you think it was a modkill?

Mostly because there seemed to be a consensus that all town players were Vanilla... and the Thing would presumably convert a player, not kill him.

Actually, the Thing in the movie does kill just as often as he converts, but never with fire. In fact, fire was only used by the humans to kill the Thing.
The two characters in the movie that I recall using flamethrowers were MacReady and Childs...

Also, it does seem a little odd for a vigilante player to target Pixar, though I suppose lack of participation is generally considered scummy.

I don't know that there was a consensus about only VTs in the game... And then there's the "this stuff happens in the film". It rubs me the wrong way as a way of posting without saying anything. Votanic does, however, give his take on Pix.

Ragian, take the time to watch the movie. Besides being a great film, it will also show you what inspired DDS to make this game. Of course, he must have changed many things, but some of the movie will be in the game mechanics. Do I think I'll find concrete answers there, No, I do not, but it actually feels more grounded than a lot of the fatuous scum-tells being bandied about.

The only two people that stand out as 'extra special' to me are Sonic for his too-scummy-to be scum (or not*) play style and dega for being blood-tested, but that was yesterday. Still don't get why Traf or EW are considered extra scummy by some.

*If Sonic does turn out to be the Thing and gets away with it because nobody though it was worth BTing him, I will face-palm myself hard enough to give myself a concussion, therefore: BT Sonic

As for the vigilante, if there is a vigilante (and evidence suggests there is), he doesn't have particularly good aim, at least so far. That's totally understandable, but if town wants to be cautious about lynches it should also encourage the vigilante to not be reckless either. I wonder if he has a limited number of flame thrower uses? ...and I also wonder if he still would have that power if converted? A scary thought, but doubtful ...though in the movie (yes, that again) nothing stops the Thing from using human weapons.

Town had the chance to lynch me yesterday. I was voting to lynch myself to make sure town would not lose the BT on me on D2..and now you wanna BT me on D2? Uhuh. You must be Flappy or Dizzy then

[Extreme Ways]

Votanic, while the movie can definitely inspire the names, it only gives flavour to the game being played. Everybody could be called John, the Thing could be called RIchard, and the task would be to find who Richard is while he changes people's names. I wouldnt read too much into it.

[Votanic]

Votanic, while the movie can definitely inspire the names, it only gives flavour to the game being played. Everybody could be called John, the Thing could be called RIchard, and the task would be to find who Richard is while he changes people's names. I wouldnt read too much into it.

That is basically what I just wrote.... Yes, again, there are no guarantees that any film element is in the game. However it is a possibility to consider and discuss, at least as much as why somebody hasn't posted in a day or two... or whether or not Trag really doesn't like losing games... or other important stuff like that.

[Ragian]

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Well, I've seen the film, and I have played flavoured mafia before. You won't win the game by guessing what the mod has used. It's just flavour. You even agree that you won't find any clues in it. So leave it and look at people's play.

You want to BT Sonic just because you don't want to lose to him? Weak. I'm on your case now. BT Votanic

FP'ed by Votanic

[Ragian]

No. It is important to discuss why people haven't posted. Especially if it is different from their usual style. It is less important to discuss if a player on an online gaming site likes losing. I'll grant you that.

However, that is not the only thing being bypassed if you drown the thread (hyperbole, but still) in thoughts about the film and what might be in this game.

[Votanic]

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Well, I've seen the film, and I have played flavoured mafia before. You won't win the game by guessing what the mod has used. It's just flavour. You even agree that you won't find any clues in it. So leave it and look at people's play.

You want to BT Sonic just because you don't want to lose to him? Weak. I'm on your case now. BT Votanic

FP'ed by Votanic

On page 3 there is a post from you that says you didn't see the movie, which I remembered, and is why I thought you had not seen the movie. I guess you just saw the movie??
That will be your answer I'm sure, unless you want to be caught in a fib ...and who would want that?
Anyway, I would ask how you liked it, but I'm sure you would use that against me, so nevermind.

I fully get that 'flavor' doesn't always matter, but also remember, the reason there is a Thing, a blood test, character names to claim, and a guy with a flame thrower, be he MacReady or not, is because this particular game is based on that film. So obviously, sometimes flavor does matter.

[Extreme Ways]

God damn Ragian out here throwing punches.
Vote BT Traf
Traf is still my preferred blood test. I still think his emotional reaction sticks out like a sore thumb. I find his additions to the thread to be "busywork" for the most part on this day. I think it's likely that he is the recruiter.

As for the recruited, still looking around. Deg is never worth testing nor lynching but we should still take his words with a laaaaaarge grain of salt. A smart Thing might have recruited him knowing that he won't get BT'd again, and that he's also never a lynch target.

Another one on my radar is Charle, but more due to inactivity. Not sure about swang either, piggybacking and especially saying "I was going to vote BT Traf"

[Votanic]

Two other related points.

@ Ragian: I am not voting Sonic for a BT becuase I don't want to lose to him, more than anyone else. I am voting BT for him because his too-scummy-to-be-scum play style is only a good defense if everyone gullibly believes it to be so. Acting scummy, just might possibly be actual scum. What a concept!

@ EW: The same goes for your argument that nobody will bother to vote BT or lynch dreg because of his previous BT, even though you acknowledge that BT has expired. Again, what at first glance may seem like a good defense can be just as easily flipped to be a good reason to test again.

[SoN!c]

First: Flaps, snap out of it.

Second:
I think EW's "shifting targets" all the time makes it very hard to read him town/believe him, but i do in the end. Think back D1 and know its 9 vs 1... and that we have to find (only) the recruiter for now. If Traf is negative Traf can plot the lines D3...id rather have Traf plotting that then me so another reason to BT Traf.

FLAPS, allign with Ragian or EW id say. They are way more experienced then you after all..

Ragian is 100% right by voting you. So you have to change, not Ragian

[SoN!c]

and If EW changes to Red we just need a few more votes.. to win

[Extreme Ways]

Two other related points.

@ Ragian: I am not voting Sonic for a BT becuase I don't want to lose to him, more than anyone else. I am voting BT for him because his too-scummy-to-be-scum play style is only a good defense if everyone gullibly believes it to be so. Acting scummy, just might possibly be actual scum. What a concept!

@ EW: The same goes for your argument that nobody will bother to vote BT or lynch dreg because of his previous BT, even though you acknowledge that BT has expired. Again, what at first glance may seem like a good defense can be just as easily flipped to be a good reason to test again.

I vehemently disagree with the BT logic because our primary goal should be to find the recruiter. Even if dega was recruited, we end up in the same scenario tomorrow with 1 less townie. Dega is never the recruiter.