The Thing TOWN WINS!

[Votanic]

Two other related points.

@ Ragian: I am not voting Sonic for a BT becuase I don't want to lose to him, more than anyone else. I am voting BT for him because his too-scummy-to-be-scum play style is only a good defense if everyone gullibly believes it to be so. Acting scummy, just might possibly be actual scum. What a concept!

@ EW: The same goes for your argument that nobody will bother to vote BT or lynch dreg because of his previous BT, even though you acknowledge that BT has expired. Again, what at first glance may seem like a good defense can be just as easily flipped to be a good reason to test again.

I vehemently disagree with the BT logic because our primary goal should be to find the recruiter. Even if dega was recruited, we end up in the same scenario tomorrow with 1 less townie. Dega is never the recruiter.

Point taken, but even finding a converted Thing will buy us time.

[strike wolf]

I'm not against lynching a converted cult if we have a strong case foe their changed behavior but BTs should be limited to untested players until we have found the recruiter.

[Charle]

Lots to read and I am still in the DRC with very limited time here. I do not think Traf is scum, we will wast a BT on him. Will read a bit more in detail later today, to cast my BT vote. I still think that we should get the BT out of the way so that we have the most time for the lynch, with one more less person to worry about.

[Extreme Ways]

I'm not against lynching a converted cult if we have a strong case foe their changed behavior but BTs should be limited to untested players until we have found the recruiter.

Exactly.

[Extreme Ways]

wait no not quite exactly, even with a strong case I think we always lynch someone else if we have multiple options.

[Ragian]

Nah, I haven't seen the film. I just wanted to shut you down because your speculations are leading us astray. I'd forgotten that I'd said already that I hadn't seen the film. That, however, is good stuff on your part, catching me in a discrepancy. That's what I'm doing when playing mafia and it has proven valuable.

[SoN!c]

Lots to read and I am still in the DRC with very limited time here. I do not think Traf is scum, we will wast a BT on him. Will read a bit more in detail later today, to cast my BT vote. I still think that we should get the BT out of the way so that we have the most time for the lynch, with one more less person to worry about.

We need to be united. And Deg's plan with a twist is the only plan left in play (with the NL on D1).

Traf is an excellent choice to BT because :

A) at least 2 players already think the chance him being the recruiter is way higher and
B) we have to check him anyways because of the emotional outburst.

And if Traf tests negative he is also an excellent choice to plot the lines : who to Lynch D2, Flame N2, BT and Lynch D3 (he just has to post the names today if BT is negative).

So whoever you wanna BT, also consider: if the BT turns negative the blood tested one is the only one who can be trusted to plot the lines for Lynch D2, Flame N1, BT and Lynch D3.

So your BT suspect should be a genuine Thing suspect but also a very good player who gives us the best win chances plotting the lines if he tests negative..

[Charle]

I really think we should not waste votes on Traf, I just have a feeling he has some important role for town the way he responded one of the times when we were talking to lynch or BT him.

Since there are already two BT votes for EW, I will jump on that wagon, if we get a negative from EW then we just have one more less to figure out with him definitely on our side.

BT
EW

I have to cast my vote now as it is already evening here and I am fast asleep when you guys are actually online.

[SoN!c]

Looks like a super trip Charle! So where are you? In Kinshasa or on a safari in Odzala Park?

Have a great time and enjoy your dinner! It will be special!

Good night!

[Votanic]

Nah, I haven't seen the film. I just wanted to shut you down because your speculations are leading us astray. I'd forgotten that I'd said already that I hadn't seen the film. That, however, is good stuff on your part, catching me in a discrepancy. That's what I'm doing when playing mafia and it has proven valuable.

So when Ragian fibs (a cute word for lying) it's all done in service of Town to stop us being waylaid by 'flavor',...which doesn't matter anyway, ..though if he hasn't seen the film how can he be so certain. I agree (for the third or fourth time) that the film is not a master key to solving the game, but still, it's very odd the way Ragian insists that it not even be discussed.
Maybe he feels flavored mafia is just for babies. Big kids don't need flavors in their games.

[Extreme Ways]

Nah, I haven't seen the film. I just wanted to shut you down because your speculations are leading us astray. I'd forgotten that I'd said already that I hadn't seen the film. That, however, is good stuff on your part, catching me in a discrepancy. That's what I'm doing when playing mafia and it has proven valuable.

Ok it was a small thing but this reaction sounds like you're trying to pocket Vota.

I really think we should not waste votes on Traf, I just have a feeling he has some important role for town the way he responded one of the times when we were talking to lynch or BT him.

Since there are already two BT votes for EW, I will jump on that wagon, if we get a negative from EW then we just have one more less to figure out with him definitely on our side.

BT
EW

I have to cast my vote now as it is already evening here and I am fast asleep when you guys are actually online.

BT me all you want but if it's on me to lead town I'll push for a lynch on Traf. If you're sure he has a powerful role I'd rather BT him and lynch me.

[Extreme Ways]

I also think it's way more likely that we have a 2-shot vig or a 1-shot vig than a full-blown vig.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

I really think we should not waste votes on Traf, I just have a feeling he has some important role for town the way he responded one of the times when we were talking to lynch or BT him.

Since there are already two BT votes for EW, I will jump on that wagon, if we get a negative from EW then we just have one more less to figure out with him definitely on our side.

BT
EW

I have to cast my vote now as it is already evening here and I am fast asleep when you guys are actually online.

I dont have any important role as town. I have already claimes, not thta it means much. I am Gary of the scientist team - vanilla town. I am not the thing nor was I recruites N1, so it wull be a waste but not for me having any kind of ability.

quote="Extreme Ways"]
BT me all you want but if it's on me to lead town I'll push for a lynch on Traf. If you're sure he has a powerful role I'd rather BT him and lynch me.[/quote]

Interesting, cerainly if u are gonna lead a lynch on me I rather be BT like I said D1, but this sounds kind of desperate or something

[TrafalgarLaw01]

I really think we should not waste votes on Traf, I just have a feeling he has some important role for town the way he responded one of the times when we were talking to lynch or BT him.

Since there are already two BT votes for EW, I will jump on that wagon, if we get a negative from EW then we just have one more less to figure out with him definitely on our side.

BT
EW

I have to cast my vote now as it is already evening here and I am fast asleep when you guys are actually online.

I dont have any important role as town. I have already claimes, not thta it means much. I am Gary of the scientist team - vanilla town. I am not the thing nor was I recruites N1, so it wull be a waste but not for me having any kind of ability.

BT me all you want but if it's on me to lead town I'll push for a lynch on Traf. If you're sure he has a powerful role I'd rather BT him and lynch me.

Interesting, cerainly if u are gonna lead a lynch on me I rather be BT like I said D1, but this sounds kind of desperate or something

Fixing the quotes

[Extreme Ways]

I really think we should not waste votes on Traf, I just have a feeling he has some important role for town the way he responded one of the times when we were talking to lynch or BT him.

Since there are already two BT votes for EW, I will jump on that wagon, if we get a negative from EW then we just have one more less to figure out with him definitely on our side.

BT
EW

I have to cast my vote now as it is already evening here and I am fast asleep when you guys are actually online.

I dont have any important role as town. I have already claimes, not thta it means much. I am Gary of the scientist team - vanilla town. I am not the thing nor was I recruites N1, so it wull be a waste but not for me having any kind of ability.

quote="Extreme Ways"]
BT me all you want but if it's on me to lead town I'll push for a lynch on Traf. If you're sure he has a powerful role I'd rather BT him and lynch me.

Interesting, cerainly if u are gonna lead a lynch on me I rather be BT like I said D1, but this sounds kind of desperate or something[/quote]
oh I'd much refer to BT yuo, thats why my BT vote is on you.

[SoN!c]

I really think we should not waste votes on Traf, I just have a feeling he has some important role for town the way he responded one of the times when we were talking to lynch or BT him.

Since there are already two BT votes for EW, I will jump on that wagon, if we get a negative from EW then we just have one more less to figure out with him definitely on our side.

BT
EW

I have to cast my vote now as it is already evening here and I am fast asleep when you guys are actually online.

I dont have any important role as town. I have already claimes, not thta it means much. I am Gary of the scientist team - vanilla town. I am not the thing nor was I recruites N1, so it wull be a waste but not for me having any kind of ability.

quote="Extreme Ways"]
BT me all you want but if it's on me to lead town I'll push for a lynch on Traf. If you're sure he has a powerful role I'd rather BT him and lynch me.

Interesting, cerainly if u are gonna lead a lynch on me I rather be BT like I said D1, but this sounds kind of desperate or something

oh I'd much refer to BT yuo, thats why my BT vote is on you.

You fuckers . So we have 3 possibilities:

But in the end it would be Traf vs EW, one being he Thing Recruiter vs a townie OR they are both in it together playing it great : one taking the heat for the other..

Traf saying "if u are gonna lead a lynch on me I rather be BT like I said D1, but this sounds kind of desperate or something" reads = i don't really want to take the BT? "this sounds kind of desperate or something" = deflecting or trying to steer town to BT EW instead.. ??

It's just a BT guys, the lynch is the scary part. No coming back from a lynch, not even as a converted one..

I give Traf good points for this and yes Charle is my weak spot, so if Charle thinks Traf is our hero i certainly would listen... But it would also mean Traf is "MacReady", not many power roles around if D1 conclusion was almost everybody claimed vanilla scientist role..

But i also remembered Trafs claim saying he was Garry vanilla scientist. So that would mean he lied to protect his power role?

If you run all possibilities it still doens't make sense why Traf claimed "Gary" so fast. Even if he tried to protect his power role by lying he is Gary. As town he should not have gotten "safe claims"? right? Not even as the hero? So safe claiming "Gary" is quite something with limited roles available from the original movie: ask votanic

Logic should dictate we BT Traf (if Traf is the powerrole like Charle thinks= he wont test positive because he would be town whether he is Gary or MacReady..)

BT Traf guys. Lynch the other. But let's hear Ragian first. We need to be united.

[Ragian]

I love it that you started referring to me in the third person explaining mundane (that means dull) words in order to appear arrogant or knowledgeable. We can do this vicariously like politicians if you prefer.

Votanic has found a tiny contradiction about something irrelevant for finding scum in order to drown out my accusation that he spends time on flavour rather than scum hunting. Known cover tactics. Then he overstates (that means exaggerates) my accusation as if I were saying that flavour is no fun, basically yelling in the schoolyard that "Ragian is too cool for flavour." I also like how he tried to include everyone in my accusation that was only directed at him. I have never been happier with my vote.

@EW, pocket him? Go on...

[SoN!c]

I love it that you started referring to me in the third person explaining mundane (that means dull) words in order to appear arrogant or knowledgeable. We can do this vicariously like politicians if you prefer.

Votanic has found a tiny contradiction about something irrelevant for finding scum in order to drown out my accusation that he spends time on flavour rather than scum hunting. Known cover tactics. Then he overstates (that means exaggerates) my accusation as if I were saying that flavour is no fun, basically yelling in the schoolyard that "Ragian is too cool for flavour." I also like how he tried to include everyone in my accusation that was only directed at him. I have never been happier with my vote.

@EW, pocket him? Go on...

I agree. But we need to sort EW/Traf out first.. Do you really think Votanic is the recruiter? If not: town can't afford to be scattered..

You had first choice on BT Deg right? So let's have somebody else gets their choice on a BT too.. give and take..

[SoN!c]

Nah, I haven't seen the film. I just wanted to shut you down because your speculations are leading us astray. I'd forgotten that I'd said already that I hadn't seen the film. That, however, is good stuff on your part, catching me in a discrepancy. That's what I'm doing when playing mafia and it has proven valuable.

So when Ragian fibs (a cute word for lying) it's all done in service of Town to stop us being waylaid by 'flavor',...which doesn't matter anyway, ..though if he hasn't seen the film how can he be so certain. I agree (for the third or fourth time) that the film is not a master key to solving the game, but still, it's very odd the way Ragian insists that it not even be discussed.
Maybe he feels flavored mafia is just for babies. Big kids don't need flavors in their games.

Votanic, we need town to be united. Don't fight a "stand alone war". It will only scatter town.. Ragian is well respected and very experienced.

[Extreme Ways]

I love it that you started referring to me in the third person explaining mundane (that means dull) words in order to appear arrogant or knowledgeable. We can do this vicariously like politicians if you prefer.

Votanic has found a tiny contradiction about something irrelevant for finding scum in order to drown out my accusation that he spends time on flavour rather than scum hunting. Known cover tactics. Then he overstates (that means exaggerates) my accusation as if I were saying that flavour is no fun, basically yelling in the schoolyard that "Ragian is too cool for flavour." I also like how he tried to include everyone in my accusation that was only directed at him. I have never been happier with my vote.

@EW, pocket him? Go on...

It seemed very diffusing, I wasnt expecting to read praise when someone catches you in a discrepancy how inconsequential it may be. I'm on your side re: the debate about flavour, it's just the one sentence that tingles my senses. I don't read you scum as a whole, but I read that post as scummy.

[Votanic]

Votanic has found a tiny contradiction about something irrelevant for finding scum in order to drown out my accusation that he spends time on flavour rather than scum hunting. Known cover tactics. Then he overstates (that means exaggerates) my accusation as if I were saying that flavour is no fun, basically yelling in the schoolyard that "Ragian is too cool for flavour." I also like how he tried to include everyone in my accusation that was only directed at him. I have never been happier with my vote.

"...only directed at him" So talking about flavor is fine, unless it's me talking.... And flavor is still fun, unless it's me having fun. Thanks, got it.
But you are the one that made this into a big deal, for some reason, and yes, you did actually lie about it. Irrelevant? Maybe, maybe not.

Okay, so unlike me, you are all business, doing important scum-hunting... But I'm not seeing any reason that you should be considered less suspect than anyone else?
Afterall, your behavior could easlily be read as "known cover tactics" too.

[Extreme Ways]

Aaaaaaaaah I'm reading every new conflict day 2 as potential scum/scum pairings.

[swang918]

I went back and reread the Votanic - Ragian exchange. I don't think lying about seeing the movie is a tiny discrepancy. It's an intentional lie. One would know whether one saw a movie or not. Ragian's defense is not satisfactory--he intentionally lied just to shut down Voltanic? He doesn't have to claim to have seen the movie in order to make a case about how flavor is or isn't important.

Also he keeps spelling it "flavour" and that is suspicious because in the land of the free we spell it "flavor"

Also good points by Extreme about Ragian complimenting votanic as suspicious. I also went back and saw him complimenting trafalgar on something. I don't remember Ragian complimenting anyone in the Tick, tho I could be wrong.

One point against BTing/lynching Ragian is that I thought there's a chance he's the vigilante because he was suspicious of Pixar day one. but that's a pretty minor point.

I'll keep my BT vote on Extreme and I like a Lynch on Ragian.

VOTE RAGIAN

[Ragian]

This should be interesting...

@Son!c, yes, he is my best candidate to be The Thing for the reasons stated. I wouldn't BT someone who I thought wasn't. I also like how swang is quick to pounce. I'm actually tempted to be BT'ed if I'm offered a lynch of Votanic in return.

[Charle]

oh no, now I am also confused. Good posts by both Traf and EW. Traf, I thought you would be Mac or Childs, I have a feeling that both of them are amongst us. Although I am keeping my BT vote as is, I am convinced that EW will give us a clear result. Reason for my vote is so that we can move on to the lynch decision.