Hong Kong rioters now assassins

[HitRed]

I heard from my friend. He has family in Hong Kong and his mother if full Chinese. They voted against the government supporters and do support the protesters. BUT, they don't support the mask wearing, bottle throwing so-called protesters. His mother wants the rioters shot. Her words not mine. She and most HK people view the police as amazingly restrained.

[mrswdk]

I heard from my friend. He has family in Hong Kong and his mother if full Chinese. They voted against the government supporters and do support the protesters. BUT, they don't support the mask wearing, bottle throwing so-called protesters. His mother wants the rioters shot. Her words not mine. She and most HK people view the police as amazingly restrained.

So glad someone else said it

When the London riots got started, within about 1-2 days British message boards were full of people demanding the army be sent in to London and that a beating was too good for the rioters. A couple of thousand rioters ended up being arrested and that was good justice. Yet when the same thing happens in China, suddenly everyone's straining to see things from the rioters' point of view and screeching that the police had better not touch a hair on those heroes' heads.

inb4 the usual trolls find a way to dismiss your comment out of hand

[Dukasaur]

I was listening to a very inspirational documentary on the BBC last night, about the role of punk rock in the breakdown in East Germany. The Stasi had always used deportation to deal with rebels. In the Sixties and Seventies, given a choice of jail or deportation, almost everyone chose deportation, which got rid of the Stasi's problem much cheaper than jail. That was until the punks came along. More militant and defiant than previous generations, they said "f*ck you, we're staying. We'll fight you now, we'll go to jail, and when we get out we'll fight you again." By the time the Wall fell, punk was 10 years old, and that wall of youth -- tough, defiant, many hardened by jail time, holding no soft illusions -- was a big part of the reason why.

It's easy for people to get angry about the violence of anti-state mobs. Their violence if very obvious, very out-in-the-open. What people don't see is the violence done by pro-state mobs. The latter is not so easy to see, but it's always far worse. While the anti-state mobs smash a few store windows, maybe beat up the occasional opponent, the pro-state thugs pull up in the middle of the night, rip a dissident from his home and family, drag him off to a secret facility, beat and torture him for hours or days or weeks, and then either kill him or just toss him in a jail for a few years. It's unquestionable which is worse. Sadly, because pro-state violence is so often hidden, it doesn't provoke the same visceral reaction as the anti-state violence that is so open and obvious.

In the 20th Century, 260 MILLION people were murdered by governments. That's NOT counting war, which would involve hundreds of millions more deaths, but is more morally debatable. That's just those killed, intentionally and not in combat, by their government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide

Day after day the work of the state goes on.


In the same week that we have people tut-tutting about rebels breaking a few shop windows in Hong Kong, leaked documents show that between 3 and 4 million Chinese Uighurs are being kept in concentration camps. https://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-documents-how-china-operates-xinjiang-detention-centers-2019-11

Of course, it's the protestors who should be shot.

[mrswdk]

Right on cue, Duk with another attempt to claim that Chinese people who died of hunger during food shortages were murdered by the Chinese state.

[HitRed]

The election in Hong Kong was a huge victory for a vibrant peaceful protesters. Sadly, Hong Kong is trapped in a dangerous place by the Chinese Government.

[Dukasaur]

Right on cue, Duk with another attempt to claim that Chinese people who died of intentional hunger during food shortages were murdered by the Chinese state.

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Yeah, fancy the idea that when the army comes to a village and steals all the food, people might die of hunger. Mao couldn't have known that would happen after it happened to his mentor Stalin. Poor Stalin lost 20 million, Mao only lost 30 million.

Interesting that you would fixate on that, though, when the 30 million starved to death during the Great Leap Forward doesn't even come half way to accounting for the 76 million that the Red Chinese are credited with murdering.

The election in Hong Kong was a huge victory for a vibrant peaceful protesters. Sadly, Hong Kong is trapped in a dangerous place by the Chinese Government.

71% voter turnout, the highest ever. 90% of ballots cast in favour of pro-democracy candidates. Really puts the lie to communist propaganda that pro-democracy protestors have lost the support of the people.

Tonight, Trump signs a proclamation in favour of the people of Hong Kong. I'm not a Trump fan, but I'm not afraid to give credit when credit is due. Good job President Trump!



https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-approves-hong-kong-legislation-china-objections-1.5376171

[DoomYoshi]

The Chinese government has now released the latest of their viral weapons on the poor citizens of Hong Kong, after testing them in Wuhan. God help us all.

[mrswdk]

Right on cue, Duk with another attempt to claim that Chinese people who died of hunger during food shortages were murdered by the Chinese state.

Yeah, fancy the idea that when the army comes to a village and steals all the food, people might die of hunger. Mao couldn't have known that would happen after it happened to his mentor Stalin. Poor Stalin lost 20 million, Mao only lost 30 million.

'The army came to the village and stole the food'? Is this a historical account of life under Mao or your narration of the opening scenes of Disney's Mulan?

Interesting that you would fixate on that, though, when the 30 million starved to death during the Great Leap Forward doesn't even come half way to accounting for the 76 million that the Red Chinese are credited with murdering.

I thought that 76 million sounded ridiculous, so I Googled it. That number was produced by some journalist who estimated 36 million starved during the Great Leap Forward, then added a further 40 million who 'failed to be born' because of the government's birth control policies. By your logic, the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in the US every year are actually murders committed by the Supreme Court.

So thanks for the chuckles, but I will stick to the credible numbers that say the vast majority of deaths under Mao were due to starvation during the Great Leap Forward.

[DoomYoshi]

The Chinese government has now released the latest of their viral weapons on the poor citizens of Hong Kong, after testing them in Wuhan. God help us all.

There should be a medal for first pandemic post of the year.

[jimboston]

This is how much I care about what’s happening in Hong Kong right now...

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The issues in Hong Kong and problems with the mainland gov’t are akin to a domestic disturbance.

When I was in college and lived in a seedy part of town and the neighboring couple had their typical Friday Nigh Beef. I didn’t get involved. When the wife chased her husband down the street with a machete and the husband held her at bay, lion-tamer fashion, with a chair... the only thing I did was get a beer and bring a chair to the window so I could watch the show.

You don’t involve yourself in other people’s domestic issues.

The US, the UN, the world at large cannot and will not do a thing to intervene in Hong Kong. Sure they will condemn, and threaten sanctions, and talk a lot... but it’s all hot air and their nothing anyone outside can do. So why waste time or energy thinking about it.

Yes Hong Kongers... you will lose some freedoms... but China ain’t that bad, and if you go along with it you can try to influence the government from inside slowly... in a generation China will likely be as ‘free’ as any ‘western’ nation.

(In part because China is getting more free... but also because we are losing freedoms daily.)

[mrswdk]

This is how much I care about what’s happening in Hong Kong right now...

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Good lad.

Yes Hong Kongers... you will lose some freedoms... but China ain’t that bad

Very good lad.

[jimboston]

This is how much I care about what’s happening in Hong Kong right now...

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Good lad.

Yes Hong Kongers... you will lose some freedoms... but China ain’t that bad

Very good lad.

So you agree Hong Kongers will lose some freedoms?

Not that I care... I just want you on the record as confirming China is ‘less free’ than most places.

[mrswdk]

Sure they’ll also lose the freedom to write angry screeds about overthrowing the system and embracing anarchy on their social media, but that doesn’t make them ‘less free’.

By moving away from the UK system they will gain, for example, the freedom to walk down any street in their city without being afraid of violent crime, or the right to share and benefit from the economic advancement of China. This is in contrast to the UK, where the right to economic security is only guaranteed to those living in London or the South East.

[mrswdk]

Hong Kongers are also free to not be murdered by the police just because they’ve been out sunbathing that day:

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