Israel??

[muy_thaiguy]

I think I heard about something like that one time on the history channel when they were doing a bunch of conspiracy stuff, or it may have been one of those Nostradamus prediction things that was also on the History Channel. Either way, I've never come across that in the Bible either. But I do remember hearing something like it.

[Johnny Rockets]

The legitimacy of a nation depends on it's ability to defend itself.

Thus Israel.


....and America....and the past English empire.....ect.


Bible or not, Israel isn't going anywhere.



JRock

[tzor]

I was considering going for a point for point reply to Player’s rant, but it’s not worth it to isolate the false accusations and straw-men she puts in her post.

First, some recommended reading: The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Middle East (Politically Incorrect Guides) [Paperback] Martin Sieff (Author)



Seriously, the number of “facts” you seem to throw about which are nothing more than politically correct fallacies is astounding. It is impossible to reason with a person who believes so many incorrect facts as you appear to believe.

[BigBallinStalin]

Why does the Bible really matter with legitimizing Israel's claim on its land? There's been a couple of UN resolutions after the Balfour Declaration making this a bit more clearer, so why even bother with the Bible?

I don't see why the Balfour Declaration wasn't enough. I mean, the land was owned by the British. Since they were the rightful owners of the land, shouldn't they have been able to do what they wished with it? Even if what they wished was to create a new country for a certain ethnic/religious group?

The Balfour Declaration wasn't enough because of it's ambiguity. Basically, it pleased both groups (Israelis and the then Arabs) by guaranteeing that whatever they wanted was theirs; however, it didn't by any means say how that would be possible.

The land wasn't owned by the British; it was under their control. Usually, if a country has the guns and/or the diplomatic backing then they can do as they please with little repercussions.

[Timminz]

I was considering going for a point for point reply to Player’s rant, but I can't find any false accusations or straw-men in her post, so I'll just claim they're there without backing it up at all. Not even a little..

Good call. Can't win? Back off.

It is impossible to reason with a person who believes so many incorrect facts

At least you got this right.

[BigBallinStalin]

I was considering going for a point for point reply to Player’s rant, but it’s not worth it to isolate the false accusations and straw-men she puts in her post.

First, some recommended reading: The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Middle East (Politically Incorrect Guides) [Paperback] Martin Sieff (Author)



Seriously, the number of “facts” you seem to throw about which are nothing more than politically correct fallacies is astounding. It is impossible to reason with a person who believes so many incorrect facts as you appear to believe.

I was flipping through that book in a Barnes & Noble and was thoroughly disgusted with its unlimited bias and its fact-blending with their opinions. I would never recommend that book as a means to inform anyone about something as huge as the Middle East.

Wikipedia would be a better source because at least its writings are countered, corrected, and improved, while your source is just from one guy with his distorted vision.

[BigBallinStalin]

I don't think he was saying that's what he thinks god wants, I think he was using the Old Testament as a basis for that statement. So, if one chooses to believe the words of the bible, then one must also believe that God did indeed give the land of Israel to the Jews.

The Bible also says that once the old Israel was gone a new nation would arise that would call itself Israel, but which would not be the blessed nation of God.

... and there are other passages that refer specifically to the restoration of the temple, etc. Point is, you can argue whatever politics you want and claim the Bible.

Me, I prefer something called the "10 commandments* and the one Christ gave us... "Love thy God and love they neighbor as thyself". I believe that replaced the old "follow our way or we kill you" so often found in the Old Testament.

So if it is not the Word of God that fuels your faith, what does? And chapter and verse please, because this I have not heard of.

You know, jay's got you there. You made the case, so the burden of proof doesn't weigh on his shoulders, but yours.

[PLAYER57832]

True. I will do some more looking.

Regardless, the rest of what I said was true and factual, despite tzor, et al's bare dismissal. You can verify it all.

And, here is another point. Many things that are prophesied as going to happen are not necessarily good for any of us. Nor, just because something is ordained, are we necessarily to usher those things in.

[Lionz]

There was an occultic plan well before the 20th century that involved a second world war leading to the start of a Zionist nation in Palestine maybe. All part of a plan designed to help usher in one or more false Messiah? http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm