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As it looks now, my top 4 bans arejwiedlin wrote:Veteran
As you are experienced you have the ability to survive 1 hit at night. You can also survive 1 lynch.The only problem with these two roles is that if one is owned by the mafia and he is lynched, we won't know if we're dealing with the vet or the hero and they can double bluff us into wasting another lynch or a vig shot on them. However, I don't think that staying power is relevant to mafia if we cut down their killing power to size.hero
Alas, you are the hero of the land! You are so awesome that if you get lynched, you survive and can pick someone from your voting list to lynch instead. You can only survive two lynches.Total agreement on this role, it should be banned.NRA Member
You shoot anyone and anything that pokes its head out at you. The first person that tries to visit you each day and night gets killed at the end of the cycle and their action on you does not occur. Listchecks do not count, but everything else does. The suicide bomber overrides your redneck defense.2 killing power, not really a lot for a 21-player game. Basically this role creates a hostage situation. It will be easier to deal with that than with +1 kill per night.Mad Hatter
You may lay bombs on one player per night (maximum 2). If you are killed you will throw the switch and detonate them, killing the players (if they aren't protected by extra night lives, paramedics, or bodyguards). You may remove them from players at any time during the night to get them back, but if a player is lynched with one on them you lose that bomb for good. Bombs are refunded if the target is killed during the night. When you PM me your target choices you must tell me how your role is stupid and explain how you plan to win the game with brainless carpet bombing. Bonus points if you get a quote from Ace on the matter. Bonus points can be used for a special death scene of your choice!Agreed.Vigilante
You have the ability to kill up to two people of your choice at any night phase in the game. You cannot use both at once and may wait to use them whenever you feel like. If your hits ever overlap with a mafia hit I will cancel it and notify you the following day and you will be able to use it again. If your hit overlaps with another Vigilante I will cancel all other hits but the first one and will notify anyone who's hit didn't go through the following day and you will be able to use it again. You will not be told if it was mafia or murderer that caused your hit to be canceled.Agreed, I think this role is top ban priority.CPR Doctor
BE CAREFUL WITH THAT THING! If the person you are protecting gets attacked then you save them as normal. However if they aren't attacked that night you end up shocking them (they take a hit, this can be blocked by protective roles etc.). You can not target yourself at night.This role is a sweet anti-claim weapon, or used in conjunction with any investigative role. It will be lost when a townie decides to feint. The big problem with this role that I only read now and that i should have realised before is that it can be activated at any time, does not seem to care about docs and does not have a limit if used successfully. Town cannot call for a massclaim until this role is dead and nobody is safe to claim until this role is dead... unless we ban it, so we will have to.Assassin
You are an elite assassin who lives for hunting his targets. You have a knife that you can use at any time in the game anonymously and will activate instantly. Just pm me to activate it. However, there are some conditions. When you send in your hit you must do it in such a format: PLAYERNAME and RED and ROLE. If you choose to specify that the player is RED, you must also specify what family they belong to, else the shot fails. For example, StorrZerg RED Godfather or StorrZerg GREEN Modern Detective. The outcome of your assignment depends on whether you get the target right. For example, if you order StorrZerg RED Godfather, and StorrZerg is mafia godfather, your hit succeeds. On the other hand, if his blood is green or he is not the godfather, you fail the assignment. Should you succeed in your hit, you are refunded your kill to use again in the following cycle or later and nobody is the wiser. Should you fail, your target lives but you and your actions will be publicly outed, your intended target outed, and you will permanently lose your powers. Tread carefully Messer Ezio.
I am actually going to give you a slight FOS Zivel for this comment. Rock star is a role that wouldn't be nearly as effective in the hands of mafia as it would be in the hands of town. To have suggested it to me means that you either did not think your choice through thoroughly (quite possible which is the only reason this is a slight FOS) or you are scum and looking to get an extra townish role banned.Zivel wrote:What about the Rock star? Seems a bit op.
Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
I read it as everyone has 1 vote, like in lynching, but the 4 most voted roles go out.strike wolf wrote:People are talking like they get to only vote one role out however I am not seeing that specifically mentioned in the rules. Can you confirm that everyone gets to only vote one role and the winner is decided between the 4 with the most votes? Or can each player choose to vote 4 roles?
strike wolf wrote:People are talking like they get to only vote one role out however I am not seeing that specifically mentioned in the rules. Can you confirm that everyone gets to only vote one role and the winner is decided between the 4 with the most votes? Or can each player choose to vote 4 roles?

Well that makes things more inconvenient.StorrZerg wrote:strike wolf wrote:People are talking like they get to only vote one role out however I am not seeing that specifically mentioned in the rules. Can you confirm that everyone gets to only vote one role and the winner is decided between the 4 with the most votes? Or can each player choose to vote 4 roles?
Each player 1 vote.
The top 4 power roles with the most votes gets banned
(suggested you spread out your votes, atm cpr doctor is up for being banned, and thats it)
Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
My bad, regarding the question, I've seen there is a voting thread, I misunderstood the rules and thought we had to PM our votes for banning.jonty125 wrote:Well that makes things more inconvenient.StorrZerg wrote:strike wolf wrote:People are talking like they get to only vote one role out however I am not seeing that specifically mentioned in the rules. Can you confirm that everyone gets to only vote one role and the winner is decided between the 4 with the most votes? Or can each player choose to vote 4 roles?
Each player 1 vote.
The top 4 power roles with the most votes gets banned
(suggested you spread out your votes, atm cpr doctor is up for being banned, and thats it)
I like SW's list, I think Hero should be in the top 4 instead of Hooker as the hooker could screw (literally) mafia as well as town, but I can understand it's high placing. I think we consider banning traitor, there are 21 of us, so 4-6 mafia already, and defections are the last thing we want.
Question, will you be posting a VC for the latest count on the banned roles i.e. CPR Doctor (2); Prince of Darkness (1)
Well, NRA actually isn't nearly as dangerous as CPR, since I discovered on reread that he only kills the first person that targets him. Killing potential of 1 per night, but only if someone targets him.strike wolf wrote:I am actually going to give you a slight FOS Zivel for this comment. Rock star is a role that wouldn't be nearly as effective in the hands of mafia as it would be in the hands of town. To have suggested it to me means that you either did not think your choice through thoroughly (quite possible which is the only reason this is a slight FOS) or you are scum and looking to get an extra townish role banned.Zivel wrote:What about the Rock star? Seems a bit op.
Aage's points for the most part make sense to me with one or two exceptions (I would add Admiral Ackbar and discount Godfather).
I am going to change my mind about the hero, it would be bad but it probably not as bad as some of the other roles that are available and assassin and a couple others I would put ahead of it.
Damnit. I forgot about the Hooker...Admiral Ackbar would be bad, very bad and I also missed that he could be triggered day or night. It's not really a role that would help town. The hooker likewise would be bad to get.
Amended list:
1. NRA Member
2. CPR Doc
3. Assassin
4. Hooker
5. Admiral Ackbar-This just screams last minute suicide bomb to avoid lynch and could potentially take out a lot of players.
6. Hero
7. Extractor-This is a difficult one because it could be a bit OP for either side. More OP for mafia if they have it in tangent with an assassin.
8. Prince of Darkness
9. Vig roles
10. Vote altering roles
The godfather doesn't worry me as much as most of the other mafia type roles. I may be wrong but in a game where I feel investigative roles are going to be limited, I don't see as much need to worry about roles like Godfather or framer.
aage wrote:Never trust CYOC or pancake.
in that case the cpr doctor does not kill, since kp was used. CPR doctor saves as long as a kp was placed on the target.For the CPR doc, would someone die if they are targeted for say a mafia kill, but saved but the medic, but also targeted by the CPR doc? Would the order of actions sent in matter? (Ex: If, mafia then cpr then medic, it would be kill,save,save whereas if it went mafia then medic then cpr, it would be kill,save, kill(?))
yo man its aids, everyone who shares gets it! On serious note, the infected can only spreed the night he gets infected. (only the night the hooker is with someone does hiv spread like wild fire)For the hooker role, the role claims that if the target visits someone else that night they would also get infected. Is this because the hooker would then go with and infect both of them? Or is it truly an infectious disease, where anyone who contacts the infected becomes infected? For example, if Player A is infected night 1 and visits Player B they are clearly both infected, but what about the next night? Do players A and B infect everyone they visit before they die?

Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
my thought on the kingmaker; i would leave it in, they can make "eachother "king only once and it would be a risk if they gave it to town, dont think its that usefull to mafia could thing of better roles to pick.Whatsausage wrote:Two roles that haven't been mentioned that I believe should be: king maker and bomb man.
1. The king maker. In mafia hands it could be used for all sorts of mischief. It would be a risky play, but they could give it to a townsperson who would use it to kill off a mostly random person, who if turns up town would instantly give the rest of the town a reason to turn on that killer, so if used properly, the mafia could cause two deaths in a day while eliminating the lynch. However it is risky as a smart town would not use it or could kill scum. The more I think about it, the less I think it should it should be banned though, for those risks. Any thoughts?
2. The bomb man. I definitely think this should be banned and am currently leaning towards it heavily. If scum have it and use it properly (eg picking town and a codeword that is unlikely to be said early but could be pushed out later in the game) then it is essentially an extra kill per night, even though it wouldn't show up until all at once later in the game. The only reason I'm not certain they'd choose is that it could easily be wasted by either the targets dying or the codeword being stated immediately.