Lord of the Rings mafia [Town wins]

[Suspect101]

It is day 1. We have nothing to go on. If you are the person acting scummy, even a little bit, you will get the votes and the questions thrown your way.

Not true, just because it's D1 doesn't mean there's nothing to go on. And I really hate your second sentence. D1 is not just about a random lynch. You also seem to imply that only one person can act scummy on D1, which doesn't make any sense.

No, we do have nothing to go on, no sound proof of anything, if you know something we don't please do tell. I never said it was about a random lynch nor did I imply that only one person could be scummy. I said PMC looks the scummiest, meaning there could be more than one. He is the one I want to pressure, because as he even admits, he has been acting scummy. Voting for someone does not mean you want to lynch them, it can also mean that you want to pressure them into proving they are innocent, which I am doing.

I find your attempt to generate a wagon on Pmc scummy, I fail to see how speculating on what we might be up against is a scumtell.

Why do you find my "attempt to bandwagon PMC" scummy? Any reasons or just to try and pass the blame? The reason you do not know why speculating is a scum tell is because you do not read or your are scum and trying make PMC look innocent. If you read all the posts more than just me explained why speculating is scummy.

[pmchugh]

Below is not a dircect quote but a summation of what suspect said. (feel free to correct me suspect)

You are at L-7 why are you being so defensive?....

I was half way to a lynch earlier two or three more votes and I would have been close to claimnig. And becasue it doesn't take much to lynch on day 1, epsicially when a deadline nears people fling votes on who they believe to be partially scummy. If you don't defend yourself and a BW starts up then your done day 1.

And a few other points:

Why do you find my "attempt to bandwagon PMC" scummy?

Because it is I made a very small tell and you are pushing as hard as you can on it, from the very first post you made, more than is neccesary.

Desperation? You are at L-7 not L-1 and you are flailing around like you are at L-1. You are trying to pass this off on me taking your "slightly scummy" activites as actual scum tells.... because even if they are slightly scummy, they are still scummy.

And yes you are being desperate in your attack by refering to my OMGUS vote, not even paranoid pete would think thats a tell. You are the one flailing around attempting to get people to vote for me.

[Suspect101]

I have requested no one to vote for you, only that my vote stands with you. You are still acting scummy IMO.

[pmchugh]

I have requested no one to vote for you, only that my vote stands with you. You are still acting scummy IMO.

Then your vote is pointless, one vote in itself does nothing. The only reason your votes stays were it is is because you would like to see me lynched, i.e. get other people to vote for me or to pressure me for which the time for has came and passed.

unvote I can't even remember where my vote was.

As much as i disagree with you suspect I am not sure you are scum yet anyway. So then who do I think is scum? I shall reread and post my findings tommorow.

[william18]

PMC's actions and 'dangerous' speculations are just as scummy as suspects persistent attempts that are grasping straws at best. The best evidence on pmc was that he was speculating, and frankly so was I. I don't beleive everyone here knows LOTR, so the speculation would bring light to possible roles to people who arn't knowledgable to the theme, and perhaps make a voter wiser to fake-claims.

As for pmc's reaction, I would be angry too if I was getting voted for speculating. He's trying to set up a basis for people to get their

As for speculating, please do the maths before pulling reasons like "The mafia are trying to open doors for fake-claims". In this we have 9 town, and I doubt anymore. Then 3 mafia. The only thing the mafia can lie about is what the 3 third party roles are. I don't think it matters whether it's Gollem or Wormtongue because third party is probably bad.

[william18]

PMC's actions and 'dangerous' speculations are just as scummy as suspects persistent attempts that are grasping straws at best. The best evidence on pmc was that he was speculating, and frankly so was I. I don't beleive everyone here knows LOTR, so the speculation would bring light to possible roles to people who arn't knowledgable to the theme, and perhaps make a voter wiser to fake-claims.

As for pmc's reaction, I would be angry too if I was getting voted for speculating. He's trying to set up a basis for people to get their maths right.

As for speculating, please do the maths before pulling reasons like "The mafia are trying to open doors for fake-claims". In this we have 9 town, and I doubt anymore. Then 3 mafia. The only thing the mafia can lie about is what the 3 third party roles are. I don't think it matters whether it's Gollem or Wormtongue because third party is probably bad.

EBWOP

[spiesr]

Of course, the only logical fake claims are roles like the elves or Forimier or whatever third party that could be beneficial to the town or survivor types...

[Iliad]

I throw in a joke vote against pmc, and suddenly we all have a serious discussion vs him.

The naming of minor characters is kinda suspicious.
Speculation often is used by Mafia. Mafia want to reveal nothing but look like they are creating discussion. They simply drop the number of Mafia they "think" there are, careful to sound unsure. Tada it looks like they are contributing, where actually the discussion has not been pushed forward at all. So pmc looks slightly suspicious but I'm not voting him yet, and since my vote was a joke and the game is past the joke day 1 votes into serious discussion I will unvote

Ok:
1) You think that his naming of minor characters is suspicious.
2) He speculated, and you say that speculation is often used by mafia.
3) He has revealed nothing, but created discussion, which you say mafia do.
4) He said how many mafia he "thinks" there are, carefully to sound unsure.
5) Not to mention that you have the fact that he OMGUS voted right after I called him out.

And you think he looks slightly suspicious and not voting for him yet? Did you ever think that maybe your "joke" vote revealed some information about him? Not to mention that I voted for him first, so really all your vote was is a BW vote.

Let me tell you another thing that Mafia do. They vote for each other day 1 to try and give them some creditability later in the game. If the Scum buddy starts to feel some heat they un-vote, and claim that they look scummy leaving a doubt in people mind by saying the look suspicious, yet fail to find anyone else that looks more suspicious.

PMC had only 3 votes on him when you un-voted. Not really in any kind of trouble, he was at L-5, and you un-vote because you don't want to have a serious discussion about someone who looks scummy?

My vote stays on PMC and Iliad is next.

So this is how you play. You repeat what I say, using minor strawmen. I did not OMGUS, I threw in a joke vote on day 1. Hardly a crime. When I saw that the discussion turned serious, I unvoted, because my vote was not serious.

Pcmhugh looked slightly suspicious but hardly enough for a vote. Because he was in immediate danger from a lynch is not the only reason to unvote. I threw in a joke vote against pcmhugh, and unvoted later because it was not serious but the discussion was.. I judged it wasn't enough to warrant my vote yet.

You however seem very eager for votes. We do have things to go off, we have this discussion to go off. Though your grasping for straws is creating discussion, be aware it's turning attention towards you.

[Stroop]

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Vote count

pmchugh - 2 (Suspect101, Hologram)
Falkomagno - 1 (nagerous)
william18 - 1 (Falkomagno)
karelpietertje - 1 (sam_levi_11)
Minister Masket - 1 (spiesr)
Mr. Squirrel - 1 (karelpietertje)
Suspect101 - 1 (Clive)

Not voting: william18, Minister Masket, Mr. Squirrel, Iliad, AceArtemis, pmchugh, Thezzaruz

With 15 alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch.

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[karelpietertje]

Minister Masket: you have not said anything yet in the discussion.
All you ever did was saying that you were not voting yet.
when somebody accused you of lurking, all you did was reply that you were not lurking. I want to know what you think!
so what do you think of the current situation MM? who is scum, who is not?

[Minister Masket]

Minister Masket: you have not said anything yet in the discussion.
All you ever did was saying that you were not voting yet.
when somebody accused you of lurking, all you did was reply that you were not lurking. I want to know what you think!
so what do you think of the current situation MM? who is scum, who is not?

How the hell am I supposed to know who is scum at this early stage? All I see at this point are people trying to disprove each other's logic.

Is discussing the probable game roles scummy? No, because it's equally important for town to find out this information as scum.

[Minister Masket]

1. pmchugh
2. Suspect101
3. william18
4. karelpietertje
5. Mr. Squirrel
6. Hologram
7. AceArtemis
8. Minister Masket
9. sam_levi_11
10. Iliad
11. nagerous
12. Thezzaruz
13. Clive
14. Falkomagno
15. spiesr

Here's my view of the 15 roles.
The 9 Fellowship members are a given. That leaves 6. It's highly likely that there are 3 or 4 scum - Sauron, Saruman, Lurtz and Wormtongue if 4. So that's 2/3 others.
Gollum I can see as 3rd party - maybe a survivor.
I would imagine Galadrial and Elrond in this for their prominent roles in the narrative.

That's my 2 pennies.

[nagerous]

I could imagine Gollum being a lyncher.

[spiesr]

I could imagine Gollum being a lyncher.

Good point, do you think that it could be Suspect as a lyncher going after pmchugh? (who would be Frodo?) This or him being Jester could explain why he is acting the way he is. Usually he is more reluctant to lynch without "evidence," but this time he seems gung-ho about getting pmchugh...

[Suspect101]

I could imagine Gollum being a lyncher.

Good point, do you think that it could be Suspect as a lyncher going after pmchugh? (who would be Frodo?) This or him being Jester could explain why he is acting the way he is. Usually he is more reluctant to lynch without "evidence," but this time he seems gung-ho about getting pmchugh...

If you, or anyone has anything better to go on, I would love to hear it.

Looks like I am getting nowhere. I hate day 1.

unvote

[spiesr]

Like some have said, the one making the biggest scene is you Suspect...

[Suspect101]

Like some have said, the one making the biggest scene is you Suspect...

And the one making the biggest scene is usually scum right? Because scum like to be noticed? I have nothing to hide which is why I can go after people. You mistake me for someone who does not have the ability to make stratagey of have knowledge of how to play mafia. If I were the lyncher, I would not go after my target right out of the gate with reclious abandon. That would be to obvious. If I was a jester, I would be lynched already. If I was scum, I would not keep going after someone when everyone else had left the bandwagon.

[pmchugh]

Found this while looknig about:

So, are pmc and Suspect scum buddies having an angry, but ultimately futile, argument on day 1 to distance themselves from each other?

And now you seem to be suggesting that he is a lyncher out to get me.

Do not mistake our over enthusiasm for our roles, and suggesting we are scum buddies trying to distance ourselves from each other it would be a ridiculous plan as we put both of our selves in the spotlight where we could easily have been lycnhed. It would be far too big a sacrafice and a stupid plan. You seem to be slighly trying to start a bandwagon on suspect and I am slightly suspicious becasue of that, because you are trying to influence other people without having the guts to do the voting yourself.

unvote vote speisr

[Thezzaruz]

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Minister Masket - 2 (spiesr, Thezzaruz)
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Quite sure I unvoted already but if that didn't count I'll do it again, UnVote.

[Stroop]

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Minister Masket - 2 (spiesr, Thezzaruz)
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Quite sure I unvoted already but if that didn't count I'll do it again, UnVote.

Missed it because of the EBWOP. Edited.

[Minister Masket]

I agree that spiesr has been making very little actual sense, and is generally voting without proper reason.
Vote spiesr

[Falkomagno]

I have some bad opinion about the day 1 too. I don't know where to push, and it's likely to happend a mislynch. People arguing based in weak reasons, and the scum, lurking, or baiting useless discussion. Some guidelines, as 101 things you shuold do and not do at Day 1 would be great.

Now that I think, the only use in day 1 is to review, when lynch and NK happens. So, the most discourage behaviour would be lurking, I guess.

According to that, unvote Vote Ace Artimis because he is clearly lurking

btw, Fos Nagerous Because it's seems like Nazgul, and because he call me mongo.

[Mr. Squirrel]

I could imagine Gollum being a lyncher.

If I were the lyncher, I would not go after my target right out of the gate with reclious abandon. That would be to obvious. If I was a jester, I would be lynched already. If I was scum, I would not keep going after someone when everyone else had left the bandwagon.

For some reason I didn't think that stroop would be using such roles as jesters and lynchers. I know what these are (thanks to this site here) but the fact that this game has vanilla townies in it makes me think that stroop did not want to use many obscure roles but rather stick to more conventional ones. If he was planning on using these other roles, surely he could have found enough to fill in special roles for each LOTR character and we would have no vanilla townies. Does anyone else see what I mean? Does anyone agree?

I agree that spiesr has been making very little actual sense, and is generally voting without proper reason.
Vote spiesr

But he hasn't been voting at all for the people he is pointing out. In fact, his vote is on you and it has been that way for a couple days now. So far he has only been pointing out what he believes Suspect's and PMC's roles are. And while he has alluded to it, he has not definitively called either of them scummy. I think your vote just now is based on less sense than his speculation.

[spiesr]

but the fact that this game has vanilla townies in it makes me think that stroop did not want to use many obscure roles but rather stick to more conventional ones. If he was planning on using these other roles, surely he could have found enough to fill in special roles for each LOTR character and we would have no vanilla townies. Does anyone else see what I mean? Does anyone agree?

So, you are essentially saying that you are vanilla and almost claiming to be one of the nine "town members." Am I correct?

I agree that spiesr has been making very little actual sense, and is generally voting without proper reason.

I have just been trying to find something worthwhile to go with. So far I haven't had much luck...

[Minister Masket]

I agree that spiesr has been making very little actual sense, and is generally voting without proper reason.

I have just been trying to find something worthwhile to go with. So far I haven't had much luck...

On Day 1? Why?
Over 90% of the time, you won't. The worthwhile deductions will come from lynches and the events of nights.