Once Upon A Killer Mafia (14/17) A Writers Block:Endgame

[StorrZerg]

fyi, if don't you think aage would have waited if he was my scum mate, to see if someone else would have claimed to be at mtambs?

He didn't wait really at all...

[UltrasPlot]

Perhaps you are a scum watcher and know that one person visited mtam.

[Army of GOD]

All I got after I visited mtam was that I didn't find anything of interest, which makes sense with my role. But yeah, i have no idea if i was blocked. I don't want to come out with my role because like aage said, it'll really only help mafia at this point. I could've kept my mouth shut if I was scum and jot brought attention to myself, but I figured itd put Storr on his heels. Which it did because he freaked out and put a vote on me.

[aage]

Thus the most likely solution is that aage action failed to go to mtamb. (thus not picked up) (blocked)
Or his action was redirected to someone else. (that power targeting aog, and changing where he goes to someone else)
or option 3, he is a liar.

So while my initial impulse is to call him out as scum and a liar. That might not be the case.

Are you mixing things up here?


Disregarding AoG; if Storr was mafia and mafia did try to target Mtam, there would be no need for him to claim Watcher on HotShot and try to get him lynched. He would know that HotShot and I targeted mtam, and that was that, whichever of us is not mafia is a protective role.
Regarding AoG; if a Town AoG targeted Mtam too, he would be incredibly stupid to claim watcher like he did and exclude AoG in the result.
If Storr were mafia, I gave him a "50/50 shot" but I would have given that regardless of whether I targeted mtam or not so it would be stupid to be so specific about 2 and only 2 people visiting Mtam.

Storr's pushing Hotshot from the start of the day already was town indicative of him, even before he pointed this out.


@Ultra, pressure to what end? I already claimed.

[UltrasPlot]

I'm with AoG here. As scum he had nil reason to say he visited mtam. aage, however, claims the most impossible to check role ever (33%? lol) which also has the most impossible to control role ever (lol you try to vig mafia and actually bg them) so he is actually an excellent sacrifice in the event that he is town. It is in our favor to lynch a very scummy person, and if indeed they are town, I will have quite some information for the shots.

Why do you disregard AoG?
Or perhaps Storr is no watcher. Perhaps you two are at MYLO and need only a mislynch to win as my shots are misdirected at the moment. How do you know mtam was shot? There are 15 roles alive in this game and none are VT's. There are bound to be more people targeted by two. My case stands.

[UltrasPlot]

ebwop

pressure to make you talk more about your decision to attack mtam, what you presume it did, and how you know you targeted mtam

[StorrZerg]

All I got after I visited mtam was that I didn't find anything of interest, which makes sense with my role. But yeah, i have no idea if i was blocked. I don't want to come out with my role because like aage said, it'll really only help mafia at this point. I could've kept my mouth shut if I was scum and jot brought attention to myself, but I figured itd put Storr on his heels. Which it did because he freaked out and put a vote on me.

grats. I stated earlier i would fight to the death with anyone that counter claimed to have visited mtamb.

You claimed to have visited, and now it is clear that you didn't actually visit.

as per what watch does in this game, i see anyone going to the location i watch. Thus you never actually made it to mtambs.
So it was not "hotshots" ability jail keeper, that prevented you from getting "results" And something else.

you think the game is at mylo ultra rofl.

you have 2 claimed shots, so even a "desperate" play to get a misslynch, wouldn't work since you would shoot me. stop thinking of the impossible on day 2 and start thinking about the reality of things

[UltrasPlot]

ebwop again

attack -> act against

[UltrasPlot]

So storr, how does aage suddenly know that he targeted mtam? and why do you believe him over aog? his claim says that he knows not who he targets...

[StorrZerg]

So storr, how does aage suddenly know that he targeted mtam? and why do you believe him over aog? his claim says that he knows not who he targets...

because he claimed to be at that location before i claimed.
He claimed to know where he went. He claimed to have 3 powers, doc, block, bus driver...

[UltrasPlot]

So you cannot see the identity of who visits?

[UltrasPlot]

Also, Storr, mafia could well roleblock me...

[StorrZerg]

So you cannot see the identity of who visits?

i do see the identity of who visits..

and an update.... 3 people infact did visit mtamb

and they would be AoG, hotshot, aage.

[rishaed]

I feel that since this currently affects everyone I will make a mod note:
Somehow I forgot to factor in AoG's N1 Night Action into the entire mix of things. The party/parties effected by this will be notified of the change in their night action results.
I apologize about the confusion.

[UltrasPlot]

WELL Well well doesn't this throw a monkey wrench into things. I still support lynching aage due to utterly unprovable claim and swiftness at responding...

I believe Storr is most definitely watcher now as it seems he enquired to rishaed about AoG. Town or not is still up in the air.

[mtamburini]

Has anyone noticed how dd disappears every time we stop pressuring him?

imo scum lead

You honestly need to stfu about shooting DD he is town in every world possible this game.

[UltrasPlot]

Relax mtam...

[mtamburini]

I got visited a lot last night, Im sexy and I know it.

[UltrasPlot]

Storr: could you please ask if lover chat constitutes a visit... something's fishy

[StorrZerg]

Storr: could you please ask if lover chat constitutes a visit... something's fishy

doubtful but done.

I still think you are wrong about aage. I still believe hotshot is scum.


could someone please explain to me why we shouldn't have aog claim right now?
I'm not pushing for his claim... I just want to talk about what the pros or cons of getting it will be.

[HotShot53]

Well, storr changed his story again as expected... this time the mod backed him up though, so I guess I would pretty much trust storr now. AoG 2.0 now looks a lot more towny also... slight possibility a scum would come forward to get a mislynch on storr, but doubtful. Apparently my jailkeep blocked whatever investigation he was attempting. This all leaves me still believing aage is scum that tried to put in a hit on mtam. If we lynch aage, and he is scum, that pretty much clears mtam too, so I wouldn't mind him postponing resurrecting someone until an important role is killed, as long as he gets more active.

Storr, now that you see an investigation was also blocked, do you believe my role over aage's ever evolving role? Is there any reason why you keep believing everything he says and doubting what I say? What exactly has he done that has benefited town?

[StorrZerg]

was writing this up till aog fiasco.

Aage took a stance on pushing you. Several people liked his points.

Hotshot, the 2 town reads any time

No, aage posted comments about my reads... he never actually voted me or said I was scum. I would have had more respect for him had he done so. As I said in my summary... he's not voted or pushed anyone yet on day 2. His only strong points seem to be defending you... either he is your scum buddy, or he is scum trying to buddy up to the most influential town so you don't make a case on him yourself.

I spent 1 1/2 hours giving a detailed read on aage yesterday with quotes and everything asked for. Turned out I didn't read him as town as I originally did. I am already spending way more time on this game than I should be, so sorry I can't bow to your every whim the moment you want me to.

I don't know if i believe the last comment. If you wanted to give a more detailed, read of a town person, i can't see why of all people you pick aage, since he was actively pushing you as scum.
This read, would have been a lot more useful, if aage hadn't announced his presence at mtamb.

Changing an opinion of someone is fine, but i think it shows more scummy patterns from you regarding aage.
1. the person you picked, was pushing you.
2. the change of stance was after learning he was with you on mtamb.
3. The detailed read, didn't seem to be that accurate. Considering several points you brought up seemed to be false.
4. he did take a stance on you, he was actively pushing you.
5. you bring up a lot of points regarding "could be town doing this, or scum trying to sound town" When the end result is, it was a town thing he did. Even if it was mechanically, thus trying to pry at something like this to sound scummy is pointless imo. This is why i don't place much value on determining someones alignment on mechanics.
6. many of your points are from day 1, (yes i know this is going in order as your reading his posts and thats fine) Yet your read of him earlier this day was

6.aage - reading back, I agree with most of his posts, I would lean town for him

By this statement, i believe you would have been quoting things he had said, and been showcasing what you agreed with. Instead the tone of your case against aage all ready shows judgement of his scumminess. In a large post, you talk about what he does, in the post, yet there is no comments if you agree with what he said, or disagreed with what he said.

Every statement that you make that seems to agree with what he has done, has a "but"

Brings up a lot of good points against nark. Never votes or presses the case further though... which is a little odd.

Could be town to remind people it's not just majority lynch, or scum trying to sound town by bringing up game mechanics.

The first one to give a list of reads I think. Even less detailed than my list for the most part lol. Which is actually pretty funny, since he thought my list with more detail was scummy because it didn't have enough detail in it... caused a few extra people to vote me because of that. Pretty hypocritical actually. At the time he posted it, I pretty much agreed with most of his reads though.

Now you do agree with his "list of reads of day 1 on page 12" yet again though, you have a but in this whole ordeal. The thing that i don't get is, he has made several reads at this point in the game, i don't see a quote from aage, to which you say "i liked this read he gave, here is why" This line of thinking, would line up with why you originally liked aage. Showcasing where he loses flavor with you and why would be another thing, but that doesn't happen in this post.

After telling ultra he doesn't believe him at all, he then does the "pro-towny" plan and unvotes virus. I read this as a town move, because that's what I would have recommended doing. But could be a scum move also knowing that it would look bad to be on the bandwagon of a town lover, since at that point it looked like that ultra would be lynched instead of virus anyway.

AGAIN the but.

Admits sheeping a vote, then says dd is scummy for sheeping storr? Kind of a weird hypocrisy, I took his sheeping comment as a joke since I don't think scum would say they are sheeping. This was the third vote on dd... joining another bandwagon, on another claimed lover?

He admits to sheeping, while giving reasons for why he is voting. He is pegging what dd5 is doing as scummy, because he came up with similar conclusions that I made regarding pcm. (almost identical is the point) The term sheeping used, is being used in 2 different definitions. 1 from aage standpoint on the vote, as in following the leader knowingly. The accusation of sheeping, is dd5 mimicing a previous push (mine on pcm) with out coming up with any new points. So no, what aage is doing isn't hypocrisy at all. (unless you want to claim all his points had been said by someone else and he is adding nothing new, to which i say he all ready admitted sheeping, so i don't consider it the same thing BUT you would have a more valid point regarding something that is scummy regarding aage.)

Good diagnosis questions. Throws doubt on both storr and I, although he doesn't seem to actually doubt us.
At this point he didn't know storr would claim to see him also. Could be why he really wanted to know if storr was blocked, to know if he was safe from having been seen or not.

I really don't see him throwing "doubt" . I see this as you said it, a good diagnosis question, possibly a "trap" to see if storr is telling the thruth. This isn't slandering anything that I've done to this point, its checking for leaks. As far as throwing doubt on you, sure i can agree with that statement. Since "hotshots heated response doesn't look good on him" is clearly an attack.

As for the block comment, i think it was 2 fold. Sure he wanted to know if i was blocked. Since, again this was a trap he was placing, if i had claimed to only have seen hotshot, since you had all ready claimed to be at mtambs then he could catch me in a lie. This "trap" is more likely regardless of his alignment, since a scum aage, would def be looking for a reason to get a lynch off because of policy (a lie) Since, if i was lynched for being a "liar" the blow back on my lynch upon aage, isn't that severe.

Honestly this "trap" placing by aage makes him look more town than scum. Considering if he had actually made the shot on mtamb. and you had saved mtamb, since i had claimed watcher, he should know if mafia blocked me. (since i claimed no one blocked me latter, he would likely know at the time i wasn't blocked by mafia). This gives him a lot more information to work with, thus he doesn't need to be placing a trap. The trap indicates imo from aage, a town who has some information, trying to see if what i claim matches his current understanding of what happened in night around mtamb.



unvote aog
vote hotshot53

[aage]

ebwop

pressure to make you talk more about your decision to attack mtam, what you presume it did, and how you know you targeted mtam

1. I didn't attack Mtam. I targeted him because Rish told me to send a name. I wanted to find out what my action did, and didn't mind *whatever* happening to the guy that pushed a mislynch on AoG as hard as he did. Since my action could have done anything, I figured I should target someone I thought to be scummy.
2. I presumed my action was a redirective action of some sort (i.e. redirect people who visit me towards some other person who was hinted towards in my flavour), since the flavour indicated it. Not gonna quote it because it's against the rules, you'll have to take my word for it. I initially only sent in a number, since that was what my role asked me to do. Rish then asked me to send in a name as well, so I sent in Mtam, per "why not". My flavour indicated a roleblocker-esque action too, which I didn't mind.
3. I didn't know anything, because I didn't know what my role did and whether it targeted anything. I thought I targeted mtam because I sent in mtam's name...? Kinda obvious...

Nice touch that Storr updates right before Rish confirms, Storr = confirmed town gg.

Ultra, traditionally a watcher receives a report containing the usernames of the players that visited their target, period. I doubt Storr received any more info.
Additionally, I never said that I didn't know who I targeted when I sent in my action.
Lastly, MYLO get the hell out of here. Two townies died, if you think you'll lose tonight you should seriously buy that tin foil hat to counter your paranoia.

FP Ultra/Storr/HS
@Storr, AoG shouldn't claim because if he's town I'd rather not have the mafia know how much of a threat his role is. The less they know, the better. There's a reason we don't all claim our roles at the start of the game.

[aage]

Well, storr changed his story again as expected... this time the mod backed him up though, so I guess I would pretty much trust storr now. AoG 2.0 now looks a lot more towny also... slight possibility a scum would come forward to get a mislynch on storr, but doubtful. Apparently my jailkeep blocked whatever investigation he was attempting. This all leaves me still believing aage is scum that tried to put in a hit on mtam. If we lynch aage, and he is scum, that pretty much clears mtam too, so I wouldn't mind him postponing resurrecting someone until an important role is killed, as long as he gets more active.

Storr, now that you see an investigation was also blocked, do you believe my role over aage's ever evolving role? Is there any reason why you keep believing everything he says and doubting what I say? What exactly has he done that has benefited town?

If I were scum, why the f*ck would I confirm Storr's story? I could have just watched you lynch him.

[HotShot53]

Well, storr changed his story again as expected... this time the mod backed him up though, so I guess I would pretty much trust storr now. AoG 2.0 now looks a lot more towny also... slight possibility a scum would come forward to get a mislynch on storr, but doubtful. Apparently my jailkeep blocked whatever investigation he was attempting. This all leaves me still believing aage is scum that tried to put in a hit on mtam. If we lynch aage, and he is scum, that pretty much clears mtam too, so I wouldn't mind him postponing resurrecting someone until an important role is killed, as long as he gets more active.

Storr, now that you see an investigation was also blocked, do you believe my role over aage's ever evolving role? Is there any reason why you keep believing everything he says and doubting what I say? What exactly has he done that has benefited town?

If I were scum, why the f*ck would I confirm Storr's story? I could have just watched you lynch him.

Because you knew if you didn't come forward, he'd call you out, which would look even worse for you. And if you disagreed with him after he called you out, and he got lynched, you obviously would be lynched/shot after he came up as a watcher. So the only way to try to survive was to come out.