Golden Pantheon - Egyptian Town Wins! (please move)

[Victor Sullivan]

Well, I think we're only left with 2 options at this point. MeDeFe, as strike wolf said, has put someone at L-1 for two days in a row now, and Mr. Squirrel seems peculiarly hostile toward jonty, especially after he claimed Ra. I feel like a mafia wouldn't be quite so strongly opinionated, so I kinda wanna say third party, but that gets awfully WIFOM-y. I think at this point I'd like to hear more from Mr. Squirrel, so I'll vote Mr. Squirrel.

-Sully

[Mr. Squirrel]

Well, I think we're only left with 2 options at this point. MeDeFe, as strike wolf said, has put someone at L-1 for two days in a row now, and Mr. Squirrel seems peculiarly hostile toward jonty, especially after he claimed Ra. I feel like a mafia wouldn't be quite so strongly opinionated, so I kinda wanna say third party, but that gets awfully WIFOM-y. I think at this point I'd like to hear more from Mr. Squirrel, so I'll vote Mr. Squirrel.

-Sully

I'm rather opinionated toward Jonty because I warned town that it was a bad idea to give Jonty free reign to use a power that we knew nothing about. Granted, it was late in the day and not much could be done but someone should have had the common sense to delve a little deeper into Jonty's power before it got to the end of the day. Now we have another townie dead (a seraph knight sounds powerful if you ask me) and the one who did it can only offer the defense of, "oops."

[VioIet]

I am Ra and I claim the kill on icedagger

Well its a good thing we let you use your power. That turned out soooo well for us

I can understand Squirrel's pov on this one. If we leave jonty alive, he may "accidentally" kill another townie.

Vote Jonty

[Victor Sullivan]

I am Ra and I claim the kill on icedagger

Well its a good thing we let you use your power. That turned out soooo well for us

I can understand Squirrel's pov on this one. If we leave jonty alive, he may "accidentally" kill another townie.

Vote Jonty

Though he claimed the power was one-shot.

-Sully

[MeDeFe]

I am Ra and I claim the kill on icedagger

Well its a good thing we let you use your power. That turned out soooo well for us

I can understand Squirrel's pov on this one. If we leave jonty alive, he may "accidentally" kill another townie.

Vote Jonty

Though he claimed the power was one-shot.

-Sully

Considering the direction I feel things are going in I'll say that I find his claim of a one-shot nightkill to be not unreasonable. I'm inclined to believe that he really is Ra. With that my own focus goes back to Victor and Strike Wolf.

For now I'd say Victor. He was in on both lynches, both times at a "raising the pressure" point. Looking at the other voters against Naxus:

Vio claimed cop, no other cop has come forward yet, and it's getting high time. Probably town.
Jonty's claim of being Ra is reasonable. Probably town.
Rodion was third party and nightkilled.
I know that I am town.
I've been sensing more town than scum vibes from Safari, but can't say anything for sure.

We can't be dealing with more than 3 scum faction members or they would've won by now, even so, it means we have to lynch a scum today (or not lynch at all) or we'll lose by tomorrow. No lynch is pretty much a no-go, uniting 4 townies against 3 scum will be hard.
With the cop outed on day 1 and permablocked afterwards it's not unreasonable for the scum to play it safe and lie extremely low. Victor's raising-the-pressure manner of voting fits with that. From my point of view he's the most obvious candidate.

vote Victor Sullivan

[jonty125]

I am Ra and I claim the kill on icedagger

Well its a good thing we let you use your power. That turned out soooo well for us

I can understand Squirrel's pov on this one. If we leave jonty alive, he may "accidentally" kill another townie.

Vote Jonty

I did claim one-shot power would FOS you but your cop

About Medefe putting two individual people at L-1 naxus was at 12 hours till deadline and Vio @ 36 so nothing other than a raised eyebrow from me.

[strike wolf]

I am Ra and I claim the kill on icedagger

Well its a good thing we let you use your power. That turned out soooo well for us

I can understand Squirrel's pov on this one. If we leave jonty alive, he may "accidentally" kill another townie.

Vote Jonty

Though he claimed the power was one-shot.

-Sully

Considering the direction I feel things are going in I'll say that I find his claim of a one-shot nightkill to be not unreasonable. I'm inclined to believe that he really is Ra. With that my own focus goes back to Victor and Strike Wolf.

For now I'd say Victor. He was in on both lynches, both times at a "raising the pressure" point. Looking at the other voters against Naxus:

Vio claimed cop, no other cop has come forward yet, and it's getting high time. Probably town.
Jonty's claim of being Ra is reasonable. Probably town.
Rodion was third party and nightkilled.
I know that I am town.
I've been sensing more town than scum vibes from Safari, but can't say anything for sure.

We can't be dealing with more than 3 scum faction members or they would've won by now, even so, it means we have to lynch a scum today (or not lynch at all) or we'll lose by tomorrow. No lynch is pretty much a no-go, uniting 4 townies against 3 scum will be hard.
With the cop outed on day 1 and permablocked afterwards it's not unreasonable for the scum to play it safe and lie extremely low. Victor's raising-the-pressure manner of voting fits with that. From my point of view he's the most obvious candidate.

vote Victor Sullivan

I'm not sure I understand why you feel I am scummy. As far as victor, his claim that he was bandwagoning to get a lynch before deadline is a bit questionable. I believe Jonty did cite some of his actions as being contradictory and while they aren't quite contradicting, there is a relation between the logic behind both posts.

Vio and Jonty have been flavor confirmed (disregarding possible counter claims that I would imagine someone would have already done at this point.

Tails is currently inactive. I don't really remember having any opinions on him one way or the other.

Safari is out until tomorrow or the day after. I've gotten mostly town vibes from him.

Mr. S replaced too recently for me to get a full read on him.

I don't think you've really explained your actions that I cited but it is admittedly a bit weak to push for a bandwagon at this point on Day 3.

I think that's everyone in the game. Beyond this I would probably need to reread and I don't currently have the time to do so right now.

[MeDeFe]

I have explained my votes before, though, I voted for Vio because I wanted a claim on day 1, that she was the cop was really bad luck. I voted for Naxus because he was nothing but dead weight. If he was inactive scum, perfect, if he was an inactive townie, no big loss. A townie who doesn't participate at all makes it that much harder to lynch a scum, with icedagger inactive as well that meant 5 people (assuming 3 scum) who wouldn't vote for a scum. Out of 10, that means there weren't enough to get a lynch on a non-town-aligned person.

[Mr. Squirrel]

I am Ra and I claim the kill on icedagger

Well its a good thing we let you use your power. That turned out soooo well for us

I can understand Squirrel's pov on this one. If we leave jonty alive, he may "accidentally" kill another townie.

Vote Jonty

I don't think he should be lynched. His claim is pretty much confirmed. I just think it was a terrible turn for town that could have been easily avoided.

[strike wolf]

I went through the last couple of pages and looked at the wagon against Vio went in a bit more detail. SW's case against her was really quite flimsy, essentially she was still joking around when he thought we should be getting serious. PCM joined half a day later, arguing that we were more likely to get something out of her than out of Naxus who was completely inactive. VS jumped on half a day later again with no real stated reason for his vote. Jonty had announced that he would switch in advance and did so half a day later again, then Safari joined relatively quickly, stating that one was as good as the other, and I put Vio L-1 ~13 hours before the day ended (the deadline had been officially set to ~6 hours from then) in an attempt to force a claim.


I can't say whether the fact that SW made his case at all indicates that he's scum or town, I see good reasons both ways, but the fact that it was based on evidence that imo doesn't really deserve that moniker remains. The joke phase always phases gradually into more serious gameplay. I think it's pretty much inevitable. Calling someone out because they still joke around for a while is too weak reasoning for my taste. I believe the correct term here is IGMEOY

So you're suspicious of me because you felt in hindsight the case was weak and that it shouldn't have deserved so much attention? All I can really say is welcome to Day 1. The case was not very strong and no I don't think it would have garnered nearly as much attention any other day but I did recognize that and i didn't vote vio nor jonty for that alone. I pressed them for more information and when vio went inactive, I opted for the person who had shown a scum tell (weak yes but not completely ignorable) to vote for over the person who was simply inactive. It turned out to be the cop and that was an unfortunate event but I do not regret taking the game that course. You've also hinted at another reason. It was stated she was more likely to reply. This is completely true. I would rather go after the person who is more likely to respond than not. Let's say we were to have pressured Naxus (who in this case turns out to be the cop) and we ended up lynching him day 1 because deadline was approaching and he never came around to claim. We just lynched an inactive cop who may have been replaced otherwise.

[safariguy5]

Alright I'm back.

First of all, sorry for the absence.

Now, as for possible suspects, I see we have MeDeFe, Sully, Mr. S, jonty, and possibly tails.

MeDeFe- case revolves mostly around him putting people at L-1 the last two times. The charge that his votes could lead to a speedhammer I find somewhat dubious. IF someone actually had speedhammered, that person would have been the first on the block the next day.

Sully- Again with the pressuring or something about voting, not really seeing anything there.

Tails- inactivity case, not the most interesting.

jonty- Claims Ra and the vig kill, ends up hitting a townie. Now, was that a bad move? absolutely. Using a vig power to prove yourself with very little information usually ends up with a dead townie as a result. However, lynching jonty for this is basically trying to get two wrongs to add up to a right.

Which brings me to Mr. S.

He jumps on jonty for that bad move, then basically begins a wagon for voting him. Vio hops on, but Mr. S is basically trying to hang jonty for something that was terrible, but I believe jonty if he says the ability is one shot. And even if he isn't, I doubt jonty will make the same mistake twice. I read this wagon as a someone trying to get an easy lynch on a pretty much flavor confirmed townie. It looks like a scum trying to push a lynch so we can get to night.

vote Mr. Squirrel

[VioIet]

So you're suspicious of me because you felt in hindsight the case was weak and that it shouldn't have deserved so much attention? All I can really say is welcome to Day 1. The case was not very strong and no I don't think it would have garnered nearly as much attention any other day but I did recognize that and i didn't vote vio nor jonty for that alone. I pressed them for more information and when vio went inactive, I opted for the person who had shown a scum tell (weak yes but not completely ignorable) to vote for over the person who was simply inactive. It turned out to be the cop and that was an unfortunate event but I do not regret taking the game that course. You've also hinted at another reason. It was stated she was more likely to reply. This is completely true. I would rather go after the person who is more likely to respond than not. Let's say we were to have pressured Naxus (who in this case turns out to be the cop) and we ended up lynching him day 1 because deadline was approaching and he never came around to claim. We just lynched an inactive cop who may have been replaced otherwise.

I pretty much agree with strikewolf's sentiment. Even though I was the subject of Day 1's lynch, and the case was weak- had I been in anyone else's shoes, I would have done the same. I was clearly the best target for all the reasons strike and others have mentioned.

I didn't really believe the one-shot part about jonty's role, but perhaps this is correct.

Mr.Squirrel, I think you should unvote Victor and refrain from making cases against him. Let's just say that I have my reasons.

By process of elimination- if jonty, Victor and myself are all cleared- for me that leaves

MeDeFe
Strikewolf
Mr.Squirrel
Tails
Safari

If tonight is a mislynch- we could very possibly be at lylo tomorrow.

Safari brings up an interesting case on squirrel, and strike seems to have an interesting case on MeDeFe and jonty seems to be against Strike.

I will Unvote, and hold off voting for now.

[Mr. Squirrel]

I'll respond to safari first:

He jumps on jonty for that bad move, then basically begins a wagon for voting him.

Begins a wagon? Vio was the only one voting him. I hardly consider one vote a bandwagon.

I read this wagon as a someone trying to get an easy lynch on a pretty much flavor confirmed townie. It looks like a scum trying to push a lynch so we can get to night.

I think you missed my last post. Let me quote it here for you:

I don't think he should be lynched. His claim is pretty much confirmed. I just think it was a terrible turn for town that could have been easily avoided.

Now for vio:

Mr.Squirrel, I think you should unvote Victor

I would, if I had ever voted for victor. I think you are looking for medefe.

If you guys want, I can claim right now. My role is mostly pointless now anyway.

[jonty125]

I don't know why but I'm getting scum vibes from Mr.S and I know this sounds like pathetic logic but its one of them gut feelings

[MeDeFe]

So you're suspicious of me because you felt in hindsight the case was weak and that it shouldn't have deserved so much attention? All I can really say is welcome to Day 1. The case was not very strong and no I don't think it would have garnered nearly as much attention any other day but I did recognize that and i didn't vote vio nor jonty for that alone. I pressed them for more information and when vio went inactive, I opted for the person who had shown a scum tell (weak yes but not completely ignorable) to vote for over the person who was simply inactive. It turned out to be the cop and that was an unfortunate event but I do not regret taking the game that course. You've also hinted at another reason. It was stated she was more likely to reply. This is completely true. I would rather go after the person who is more likely to respond than not.

Yes, on day 1 I felt that your case against Vio was flimsy even for day 1, that's what caught my attention in the first place. Yes, you did help move things along which is not in the interest of the scum, but an easy case on day 1 over a minor quibble is something the scum would be stupid not to go for. At the time the wagons were started there was no way of telling who would be more or less likely to respond or go inactive, I'm not accepting that part of your reasoning, you voted for her way too early for that.

I will admit that I have very little solid evidence to go on, but you're playing pretty much exactly the way I would play if I were scum. Call it a gut feeling if you will, but I just can't shake it.

Let's say we were to have pressured Naxus (who in this case turns out to be the cop) and we ended up lynching him day 1 because deadline was approaching and he never came around to claim. We just lynched an inactive cop who may have been replaced otherwise.

And this is just bullshit. "What if we had lynched Naxus and he had been a cop?" Are you serious? You try to defend yourself by saying that there are hypothetical situations that would've been worse than the current one? Are you trying to give me hard evidence for your scumminess?

[strike wolf]

So you're suspicious of me because you felt in hindsight the case was weak and that it shouldn't have deserved so much attention? All I can really say is welcome to Day 1. The case was not very strong and no I don't think it would have garnered nearly as much attention any other day but I did recognize that and i didn't vote vio nor jonty for that alone. I pressed them for more information and when vio went inactive, I opted for the person who had shown a scum tell (weak yes but not completely ignorable) to vote for over the person who was simply inactive. It turned out to be the cop and that was an unfortunate event but I do not regret taking the game that course. You've also hinted at another reason. It was stated she was more likely to reply. This is completely true. I would rather go after the person who is more likely to respond than not.

Yes, on day 1 I felt that your case against Vio was flimsy even for day 1, that's what caught my attention in the first place. Yes, you did help move things along which is not in the interest of the scum, but an easy case on day 1 over a minor quibble is something the scum would be stupid not to go for. At the time the wagons were started there was no way of telling who would be more or less likely to respond or go inactive, I'm not accepting that part of your reasoning, you voted for her way too early for that.

Again I'll say welcome to day 1. Don't expect people to be posting 5 paragraph long cases on people on day 1 and you won't be disappointed. Also I will again say read what I said. I didn't just vote for vio for the little quibble if I was doing it just for that jonty was the better target. He had done the same thing and went on to seemingly ignore the issue as well. I voted her because she was inactive and unlike Naxus had demonstrated a behavior that while weak overall was not helpful to town. That was my main reason for voting her. You joined the bandwagon and didn't show any sign you felt it was weak until day 2...

I will admit that I have very little solid evidence to go on, but you're playing pretty much exactly the way I would play if I were scum. Call it a gut feeling if you will, but I just can't shake it.

Let's say we were to have pressured Naxus (who in this case turns out to be the cop) and we ended up lynching him day 1 because deadline was approaching and he never came around to claim. We just lynched an inactive cop who may have been replaced otherwise.

And this is just bullshit. "What if we had lynched Naxus and he had been a cop?" Are you serious? You try to defend yourself by saying that there are hypothetical situations that would've been worse than the current one? Are you trying to give me hard evidence for your scumminess?

It's a perfectly legitimate hypothetical considering the scenario at hand as to why it's better to aim at someone who shows signs they are more likely to post than someone who isn't. I see you felt the same way day 1 when voting Vio. I am giving you an example of part of the thought process to why I chose to vote vio. I was okay with your reasoning for putting vio and naxus at L-1 at least to the point I didn't plan on voting you but this latest comment has brought you back up the list. You've repeatedly now tried to understate my reasoning for voting vio and now trying to discount part of the reason without legitimately rebutting the reasoning.

[edocsil]

Vote Count

Mr. S (2) ~ Safari, Victor
Victor (1) ~ MeDeFe

10 days till deadline.

[MeDeFe]

Again I'll say welcome to day 1. Don't expect people to be posting 5 paragraph long cases on people on day 1 and you won't be disappointed.

Strawman

Also I will again say read what I said. I didn't just vote for vio for the little quibble if I was doing it just for that jonty was the better target. He had done the same thing and went on to seemingly ignore the issue as well. I voted her because she was inactive and unlike Naxus had demonstrated a behavior that while weak overall was not helpful to town.

And what behaviour was that? Oh yes, the cause of the minor quibble.

That was my main reason for voting her. You joined the bandwagon and didn't show any sign you felt it was weak until day 2...

I'm not even going to bother...

It's a perfectly legitimate hypothetical considering the scenario at hand as to why it's better to aim at someone who shows signs they are more likely to post than someone who isn't.

At the time you vote for Vio, there were very few clear such signs yet.

I see you felt the same way day 1 when voting Vio.

Yes, a few hours before the day ended after VS had killed the wagon against Naxus. You voted for her nearly 4 days before that. Timing does matter, you know.

I am giving you an example of part of the thought process to why I chose to vote vio. I was okay with your reasoning for putting vio and naxus at L-1 at least to the point I didn't plan on voting you but this latest comment has brought you back up the list. You've repeatedly now tried to understate my reasoning for voting vio and now trying to discount part of the reason without legitimately rebutting the reasoning.

To me your reasoning still looks very much like "I voted for her because she was joking around when I thought we should be getting serious".

[safariguy5]

Well what strike said about Day 1 cases is more or less true (if not a bit condescendingly worded). We don't have a lot of information to use on Day 1, so expect the little things to get trumped up into semi weak cases. As for the Vio case itself, I recall her going a bit inactive in the middle of Day 1, only popping in the claim at the very end. So to get pressured and disappear like that (correct me if I'm wrong) does make it seem a bit suspicious (Silence is Scummy!).

[Victor Sullivan]

Sorry, been busy:

Considering the direction I feel things are going in I'll say that I find his claim of a one-shot nightkill to be not unreasonable. I'm inclined to believe that he really is Ra. With that my own focus goes back to Victor and Strike Wolf.

For now I'd say Victor. He was in on both lynches, both times at a "raising the pressure" point. Looking at the other voters against Naxus:

Vio claimed cop, no other cop has come forward yet, and it's getting high time. Probably town.
Jonty's claim of being Ra is reasonable. Probably town.
Rodion was third party and nightkilled.
I know that I am town.
I've been sensing more town than scum vibes from Safari, but can't say anything for sure.

We can't be dealing with more than 3 scum faction members or they would've won by now, even so, it means we have to lynch a scum today (or not lynch at all) or we'll lose by tomorrow. No lynch is pretty much a no-go, uniting 4 townies against 3 scum will be hard.
With the cop outed on day 1 and permablocked afterwards it's not unreasonable for the scum to play it safe and lie extremely low. Victor's raising-the-pressure manner of voting fits with that. From my point of view he's the most obvious candidate.

vote Victor Sullivan

Firstly, I'm pretty sure I explained my voting patterns when you first attempted this case against me:

I went through the last couple of pages and looked at the wagon against Vio went in a bit more detail. SW's case against her was really quite flimsy, essentially she was still joking around when he thought we should be getting serious. PCM joined half a day later, arguing that we were more likely to get something out of her than out of Naxus who was completely inactive. VS jumped on half a day later again with no real stated reason for his vote. Jonty had announced that he would switch in advance and did so half a day later again, then Safari joined relatively quickly, stating that one was as good as the other, and I put Vio L-1 ~13 hours before the day ended (the deadline had been officially set to ~6 hours from then) in an attempt to force a claim.


I can't say whether the fact that SW made his case at all indicates that he's scum or town, I see good reasons both ways, but the fact that it was based on evidence that imo doesn't really deserve that moniker remains. The joke phase always phases gradually into more serious gameplay. I think it's pretty much inevitable. Calling someone out because they still joke around for a while is too weak reasoning for my taste. I believe the correct term here is IGMEOY

VS's vote struck me as the scummiest. He switched from one wagon (Naxus) with three votes, to a wagon (Vio) that had only 2 votes so far. SW had announced that he was prepared to switch to Naxus if votes were needed. VS essentially removed that option from the table. Jonty had announced that he was going to wait for a reply from Vio, but also that he would've liked to see a lynch, so by switching wagons VS pretty much ensured that SW stayed on the one he had started and knew that Jonty would eventually join and possibly even hammer, depending on the timing.

With the Naxus wagon finished, it only makes sense for safari to switch. I made a last-ditch effort to get a claim out of a very nearly completely inactive player and it worked, unfortunately not to our advantage.


Based on this reasoning, I'll vote Victor Sullivan.

Here's my vote post:

Vote VioIet

Let's get the ball rollin', folks.

-Sully

The idea was just that - to get the ball rolling. The deadline was approaching and though the cases on both naxus and Vio were weak, at least Vio's was a bit more than "just being inactive" so I went with it, especially seeing as how people seemed to be leaning more toward her than naxus. And supposing we did pressure naxus, it seems we wouldn't have gotten any information D1.

-Sully

It seems you're awfully out to get me, MeDeFe. Given my vote was on you before that first argument:

MeDeFe seemed to be okay with putting VioIet dangerously close to being lynched (L-1). He should know that mafia could have easily placed a lynching vote (which one could speculate that perhaps all of the mafia were already on the bandwagon, but this becomes borderline WIFOM).

Violet appears to be at 5 votes, lynch is at 7, so.

unvote
vote Violet

It was either Naxus, who (I think) didn't post even when the wagon against him got going, or Vio, and all things considered I'd prefer to pressure the person who occasionally posts. How about a claim?

While we eagerly await Vio's results, I am going to vote MeDeFe for reasons stated above.

-Sully

It was relatively weak, I'll admit, but it was a half-decent place to start D2, given we didn't lynch anyone D1. It was, again, more to get the ball rolling. It almost seems to me your first case was a disguised case of OMGUS, especially given your logic was similar to mine (and the case was just as weak).

Anyway, as far as your "raising the pressure" claim goes, I suppose I can own up to that, but that's the town's job, isn't it? If no one is pressured, can we really get anywhere? Speaking of which, haven't you been pressuring people more than me? You were the one that put both VioIet and naxus at L-1. Certainly seems fishy, if not, scummy to me. At any rate, Day 2 I kept my vote on jonty until he soft-claimed. At that point, it seemed reasonable to allow him to have a chance to prove his innocence, while naxus was inactive and couldn't very well prove himself either way. I at least justified my switch, you sir, did not. You used the same justification when you voted VioIet the day before: "Time's running out! Well, better lynch someone!" If you ask me, that seems like a more "lying low" strategy than mine. And since when have I been "lying low"? I've actually been quite active - certainly no less than you! Your entire case sounds, well, like hypocrisy!

Unvote, vote MeDeFe.

-Sully

[MeDeFe]

I'm pretty sure I explained my voting patterns when you first attempted this case against me.

Yes, you did. I think you're lying about your motives.

It was relatively weak, I'll admit, but it was a half-decent place to start D2, given we didn't lynch anyone D1. It was, again, more to get the ball rolling. It almost seems to me your first case was a disguised case of OMGUS, especially given your logic was similar to mine (and the case was just as weak).

This again? I thought I already showed how you took the ball from one wagon and moved it to the other. Admittedly, both turned out to be town, but I don't think that helps you much.

As for "getting the ball rolling", "raising the pressure", call it what you want... what I'm talking about is that you were in at the tipping point, providing the momentum necessary to decide which wagon was the only one remaining.

[jonty125]

I prefer the MedeFe case over VS vote Medefe

[MeDeFe]

Oh yes, one other thing, Vio, what are your reasons for saying no cases should be made against VS?

[safariguy5]

I'm pretty sure I explained my voting patterns when you first attempted this case against me.

Yes, you did. I think you're lying about your motives.

It was relatively weak, I'll admit, but it was a half-decent place to start D2, given we didn't lynch anyone D1. It was, again, more to get the ball rolling. It almost seems to me your first case was a disguised case of OMGUS, especially given your logic was similar to mine (and the case was just as weak).

This again? I thought I already showed how you took the ball from one wagon and moved it to the other. Admittedly, both turned out to be town, but I don't think that helps you much.

As for "getting the ball rolling", "raising the pressure", call it what you want... what I'm talking about is that you were in at the tipping point, providing the momentum necessary to decide which wagon was the only one remaining.

If this is the summary of your case on Sully, then I'm not seeing much substance. Lying about motives is not something you can prove short of Inception, and really what we're arguing here is how you can spin a post to make it read more suspicious or innocent.

And as for narrowing the wagon cases down to 1, I don't necessarily have a problem with that. It's not like by focusing votes on one wagon, we completely ignore the other wagon. The other case is still a case we can come back to later on. This in and of itself to me doesn't imply something sneaky that sully did, between 2 more or less equal cases, someone eventually has to pick one and run with it.

Now, as for sully's case on MeDeFe, the main point of the argument is that MeDeFe put two L-1 votes. When I look at the L-1 vote, it's probably the vote that requires the least amount of necessary reasoning to explain it. Basically your reasoning is "adding pressure to force a claim". There's very little necessary explanation, and I think that Sully is basically saying MeDeFe is bandwagonning, which is stronger concrete evidence to me than talk about motives or picking a case to vote on.

unvote vote MeDeFe

[MeDeFe]

Seeing how I'm at 3 votes and it takes 5 to lynch I may as well nameclaim.

I'm Geb, God of the earth, on the side of Town, and husband of Nut who was murdered here. Will anyone counterclaim?