[INTERMEDIATE]Enemy of My Enemy - Archive please

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

13. You cannot post at night. You can do joke posts like "zzzzzz" if you want but don't let it get out of hand.

[Whatsausage]

I'm sorry, I meant that as I goodbye post
Night night sleep tight now

[Marashu]

FINAL VOTE COUNT:
LSU: Epitaph1 (L-6)
MrBelly: Whatsausabe (L-6)
Whatsausage: Endgame, madmitch, dakky21, TimWoodbury, HotShot53, LSU, MrBelly LYNCH
madmitch: thechuck, Ragian (L-5)

Not Voting: Streaker, HotShot, mtamburini

With majority reached 2 minutes before deadline, no time for a scene. Apologies. Whatsausage is a Vanilla Townie. Night 1 begins - you have 48 hours to send in night actions. Day 2 begins at 0600CCT on Wednesday, Dec 16.

You messed up Marashu! I voted madmitch not whatsausage, and without the misscount he wouldn't have been lynched.

Sorry, that was a copy paste error (I was prepping a no-lynch post when Ragian made the switch). Here's the proper vote count:

FINAL VOTE COUNT:
LSU: Epitaph1 (L-6)
MrBelly: Whatsausabe (L-6)
Whatsausage: Endgame, madmitch, dakky21, TimWoodbury, HotShot53, LSU, Ragian LYNCH
madmitch: thechuck, MrBelly (L-5)

Not Voting: Streaker, HotShot, mtamburini

[MrBellyBangBang]

FINAL VOTE COUNT:
LSU: Epitaph1 (L-6)
MrBelly: Whatsausabe (L-6)
Whatsausage: Endgame, madmitch, dakky21, TimWoodbury, HotShot53, LSU, MrBelly LYNCH
madmitch: thechuck, Ragian (L-5)

Not Voting: Streaker, HotShot, mtamburini

With majority reached 2 minutes before deadline, no time for a scene. Apologies. Whatsausage is a Vanilla Townie. Night 1 begins - you have 48 hours to send in night actions. Day 2 begins at 0600CCT on Wednesday, Dec 16.

You messed up Marashu! I voted madmitch not whatsausage, and without the misscount he wouldn't have been lynched.

Sorry, that was a copy paste error (I was prepping a no-lynch post when Ragian made the switch). Here's the proper vote count:

FINAL VOTE COUNT:
LSU: Epitaph1 (L-6)
MrBelly: Whatsausabe (L-6)
Whatsausage: Endgame, madmitch, dakky21, TimWoodbury, HotShot53, LSU, Ragian LYNCH
madmitch: thechuck, MrBelly (L-5)

Not Voting: Streaker, HotShot, mtamburini

Ok. Good that it was only a copy paste error and not a misscount.

[Marashu]

Night 1, December 2015,

Beloved, after what happened during the day, none are allowed to leave the village. I can only pray that this letter finds you well. With the law unwilling to assist, the village has descended into mob rule. Determined to find the killers, I watched as the villagers strung up an innocent to hang.

People fear the dark, and everyone hides from the night here. Perhaps they think that their walls can protect them. It is evident that walls were not enough to protect thechuck51 and Endgame422, both of whom were found dead in the dawn light. Without a doctor, it is impossible to ascertain the exact cause of death, or who might have perforned these kills. Pray that I will return to you safely. Not a minute passes where I do not long for you.

thechuck51, Vanilla Townie, has been killed.
Endgame422, Vanilla Townie, has been killed

Day 2 begins. Deadline WOULD be the 25th, but as I would imagine that it may be a busy time for people, deadline will be extended to Tuesday, December 29, 1600CCT. With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

[dakky21]

I say we lynch Streaker.
He didn't vote while he was active, and he isn't posting anything, and no prod has been issued.
He probably PM'ed the mod with something like "I'm here but won't vote, let them kill each other, I'll just watch".

vote Streaker

Other than him, top scum reads go to MrBelly (hammer) & mtamburini (asking a question which only a newbie would ask, but he played already a lot of games)

[Streaker]

I didn't get prodded because I actually posted something. I planned to post more, and vote, but didn't get there. I wasn't in chat for an entire week, not once, and missed a whole bunch of turns. I didn't expect to be as busy as it turned out to be.

I'm here now, and will make up for everything on D2.

[madmitch]

Just to not be the silent one I'd like to add that I find most of you's behviour very fishy, joke votes is the hallmark of a criminal!!

did you just soft claim cop? @ Dakky I agree the streaker is acting weird and I agree with your other two picks especially Mtam. this whole H.P. bullshit was a waste of time ,He knew who Ragian was he even stated no one jumped on his wagon to hang him, another pick of mine is LSU and his posts of past games and joke votes and reading past games and making judgement on them is a little out there and does not need to be posted time after time. I think Tim is town he did soft claim that I think , but then he said he didn't ,why would you do that is he saying he is not town? have to keep both eyes on him.

[Streaker]

Just to not be the silent one I'd like to add that I find most of you's behviour very fishy, joke votes is the hallmark of a criminal!!

did you just soft claim cop? @ Dakky I agree the streaker is acting weird and I agree with your other two picks especially Mtam. this whole H.P. bullshit was a waste of time ,He knew who Ragian was he even stated no one jumped on his wagon to hang him, another pick of mine is LSU and his posts of past games and joke votes and reading past games and making judgement on them is a little out there and does not need to be posted time after time. I think Tim is town he did soft claim that I think , but then he said he didn't ,why would you do that is he saying he is not town? have to keep both eyes on him.

First to answer dakky and mitch:

How is anyone claiming cop in this game? How am I acting weird, I haven't been here yet.
Dakky, on D1 you soft defend me because you knew I am actually and truly unavailable. On D2 you come out guns blazing for my inactivity?

Mtamburini imo to be questioned today:

-Calls out HotShot for not posting after his confirmation
-Then makes a top 3 list of his lynch candidates: hotshot, belly, and mitch.

I would lynch between hotshot, belly, and mitch. I like belly the most of those 3 as him and hotshot have both commented a read on me that completely contradict eachother. Hotshot read on me feels more like a pocket then an actual read.

@hotshot, describe my play in more detail then what you said.

@mitch my scum read was on chuck but hes kinda grown on me and the comments of recent are more scummy (hotshot/belly reads on me and then the case brought up against you is pretty good)

I wouldnt lynch you today because I think youre more likely to be an easier read from the games Ive played with you.

He argues that in his list of 3, hotshot and belly contradict each other on a read on himself. This reason makes them his top 2. I don't see the logic in that.

Furthermore, in his top 3 'to lynch' candidates he includes mitch, while in the same post, at the bottom, he says he would NOT lynch mitch. Why include him in the first place?

Next up he comments on the top 3 list from Tim (sausage, streak, chuck), this list deviates completely from his own read, but finds it 'not bad' with no further explanation to it.

Tim actually had a very good reply:

what do you think about belly/hotshot read on me?

if im reading hotshots read on you correct he say he reads you town based off being typicall arrogant skumhunter(so basically hes reading you town off town meata)
meta could be decently good thing to go on, on D1 but if his read is on meta then id like him to say it rather beat around the bush with it

Belly is saying your doing more or less the exact opposite of what hotshot is seeing

dose them saying more or less opposite things make you skum maybe dose it make 1 of them 2 skum maybe its to early to tell. defiantly a thing to keep in mind down the road to see if they continue to distance and say opposite things

Which makes me read Tim as town.

Endgame now confirmed town, his biggest read was Epitaph1. I'll need to reread but there might be something there.
Sausage was the D1 other main lynch candidate, I'll be rereading him as well.

[MrBellyBangBang]

Good vote on thechuck guys, I told you he was a townie, such an awful lynch, there were no good reasons to lynching him, I think we should've gone with mitch instead.

I'm reading dakky, streakers post lynch comments and somehow you think I've been scummy, even though one of you ahev barely even participated and the other have not been Active in scum hunting, now that's alright your opinion is your opinion, just tell me what's even remotely scummy about insisting time after time that thechuck shouldn't be lynched. while Town was trendign towards an unmotivated lynch on him. I think the people who bandwagoned voted on lynching thechuck have acted much less in towns best interest that I have.

Just to not be the silent one I'd like to add that I find most of you's behviour very fishy, joke votes is the hallmark of a criminal!!

did you just soft claim cop?

We've been over this comment before, it was in the very beginning of the game and I was jesting like most of us did. The double "!!" in my writing style hints at that I'm joking.

[Streaker]

You mean whatsausage, right? Chuck got nightkilled.

You did put up a rather strong defense for Sausage, a bit too strong for D1 though? I mean, what made you so sure he was town? Him flipping town isn't best case, but a lot of information can be taken from his lynch. I'm a bit surprised you go with 'See guys, I told you so', instead of dissecting the wagon on him and finding out who voted opportunistically, and who bothered making an actual case to their vote. It's an easy thing for mafia to do, witholding on the town wagon and claiming just this for easy town credit.

What do you think of my post on mtam? I see what you mean on madmitch, but to be honest, that IS his 'normal' play. Also, don't bother about him calling you out on a 'cop' claim. Everyone but Mitch knows there is no cop this game.

[madmitch]

I know there is no cop , just trying to stir the pot and see what pops out, down to 6 townies now we all got to be careful.

[mtamburini]

Were lynching hotshot today he's never town his read on me was completely fabricated and bull shit he tried to bring in meta into this game that was factually incorrect as I am not playing the same as I played in previous games.

Also hotshot is not one to not post when he's town he's more interested and invested to solve the game.

[mtamburini]

I think we've lost this game even if we lunch scum everyday if I mathed correctly unless scum shoot each other in the night.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

With lynching scum each day totals at end of day
Day 2 3 scum 6 townies left
Day 3 2 scum 4 townies left
Day 4 1 scum 2 townies left

We are in a lynch or lose situation here. We have to hit scum this go round and each round henceforth unless the werewolves and mafia do crosskills at night which is possible. We are at a dangerous point in the game though.

[Ragian]

I say we lynch Streaker.
He didn't vote while he was active, and he isn't posting anything, and no prod has been issued.
He probably PM'ed the mod with something like "I'm here but won't vote, let them kill each other, I'll just watch".

vote Streaker

Other than him, top scum reads go to MrBelly (hammer) & mtamburini (asking a question which only a newbie would ask, but he played already a lot of games)

Am just here for a short while today, but I need to address this.

1) A very strong start to D2. No need to go all gung ho.
2) MrBelly never hammered. I did. I know Marashu sort of messed up the first time (I'm sorry for voting so late), but it should not be ambiguous at all. Moreover, you urged everyone to vote and then you want to discuss the hammer. That's some contradictory BS if you ask me.

@streaker, or someone is trying to frame epitaph?

FP'ed by a couple.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

I say we lynch Streaker.
He didn't vote while he was active, and he isn't posting anything, and no prod has been issued.
He probably PM'ed the mod with something like "I'm here but won't vote, let them kill each other, I'll just watch".

vote Streaker

Other than him, top scum reads go to MrBelly (hammer) & mtamburini (asking a question which only a newbie would ask, but he played already a lot of games)

I can verify that streaker missed 2 turns in a cc game with me. I don't think he was intentionally submarining. I'm curious as to why Epitaph kept his vote on me and why Hotshot and mtamburini both did not vote. Yes it turned out to be a bad lynch, but no lynches only help scum out because it lets them have a free kill without a chance of being lynched. Of those 3, I would venture a guess that at least one of them is scum.

[TimWoodbury]

there has been 3 town kills thus far mean only 6 left, with that said im curious what is it that made Dakky AND Belly come out guns blazing saying x or Y MUST be killed today??

i woudnt exactly say were at lynch lose right now as heck tongiht both groups of skum(warwolf and mafia) could potentially end up killing each other meaning it be 5 town vrs 2 skum.

now back to origonall thought that way that dakky and belly came out the gate today it makes me lean skum just a tad bit more on them.
dakky im leanng skumish on you because after D1 where you hard defended streaker then come out saying he must be lynched?? only way you could of known what he is yesterday is if your 1 of the 2 skum factions and you want him gone before he can out you?

Belly again yesterday you was insisting we was lynching the wrong person almost a if you KNEW already what he would not flip as and here you are comng out of the gates and pointing out even more that YOU KNEW he would flip town or at least not your team of skum.

[TimWoodbury]

I am not playing the same as I played in previous games.

why play differant then you have in the past?

[MrBellyBangBang]

You mean whatsausage, right? Chuck got nightkilled.

Correct, I wrote the wrong name, it was a pretty sloppy post spelling wise as well, quickly put together as you might imagine.

You did put up a rather strong defense for Sausage, a bit too strong for D1 though? I mean, what made you so sure he was town? Him flipping town isn't best case, but a lot of information can be taken from his lynch. I'm a bit surprised you go with 'See guys, I told you so', instead of dissecting the wagon on him and finding out who voted opportunistically, and who bothered making an actual case to their vote. It's an easy thing for mafia to do, witholding on the town wagon and claiming just this for easy town credit.

I did note that I thought the bandwagoning on him made the people who did it look suspicious, the reason I didn't mention anyone in particular is that no one put forth any good argument for why they voted for him, so they all look suspicious to me from that action. You said it was typical mafia move to claim to be against a bad town lynch, but usually being the only one strongly against a lynch is not something mafia wants to do because it puts focus on them. I have no problem having focus put on me because I have actively supplied town with reads on every single player in the game, haven't laid low and did what I could to avoid what was a russian roulette lynch (unmotivated). For these reasons I expected to be the target of a night action but appearantly neither of the villains thought I looked the most trustworthy and so here I still am.
You asked me what made me so sure of whatsausage innocence, part of it was a hunch of course but it was also that no one offered any good reasons as to why he should be lynched, that rarely is the case when it's a good day one lynch. It was like this, "Hey guys, time's soon up, we need to lynch someone, who should we lynch? Well that sausage guy hasn't been saying much lately. Has he been acting scummy? Nope, but he's not around right now so let's lynch him. Yeah let's do that. Okay I guess so. But why? Hasn't mitch or LSU been more acting more scummy? Not enough time to think now man." You could've been just as easily lynched as whatsausage, you were better to lynch because you had been less active than him and he hasn't been any scummier than you, having said that of the limited information we've gotten from you I don't have you as scum but I thought a lot of people would be better lynches than whatsausage. He was one of the people I had as most likely to be town. You want to know why I'm unlikely to be scum? All the people I had on my top three/four list of best lynches are still around, and all the people who got either lynched or killed during night action were people I declared a town read on.

What do you think of my post on mtam? I see what you mean on madmitch, but to be honest, that IS his 'normal' play. Also, don't bother about him calling you out on a 'cop' claim. Everyone but Mitch knows there is no cop this game.

I'm not familiar with anyones normal play so I wouldn't know, but I've been saying I think his actions have been suspicious for a while now and he never seems to want to engage in an argument about that with me, he goes back to the third page to find a quote from me that has already been discussed and that whatsausage essentially got lynched because he overanalyzed and now he starts overanalyzing it as well. It's looks weird to me and it doesn't lead anywhere, day 2 is not the time to talk about old news. Day 2 is the time for confrontation, and anyone who avoids it looks suspicious to me. LSU starts talking round and about and stating the obvious that we need to nail a mafia today, of course we do, and the best way to do so is to engage and argue and see who starts cracking under pressure. He hasn't been calling anyone out after the night action, he was in on the lynch of whatsausage and he waned to lynch chuck who was killed during night by scum, compare that what I said about me having town reads on confirmed towns and scum reads on people still around, he has had scum reads on two confirmed town. That looks very suspicious to me.
As for mtabuni, he needs to justify his reads more especially when he makes scum reads like that, he's just throwing stuff out there at the moment but I don't see him helping town much as of now.

[Epitaph1]

I didn't get prodded because I actually posted something. I planned to post more, and vote, but didn't get there. I wasn't in chat for an entire week, not once, and missed a whole bunch of turns. I didn't expect to be as busy as it turned out to be.

I'm here now, and will make up for everything on D2.

dakky, can you confirm the red portion?

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With lynching scum each day totals at end of day
Day 2 3 scum 6 townies left
Day 3 2 scum 4 townies left
Day 4 1 scum 2 townies left

We are in a lynch or lose situation here. We have to hit scum this go round and each round henceforth unless the werewolves and mafia do crosskills at night which is possible. We are at a dangerous point in the game though.

I disagree about lylo. With the scum needing to eliminate the opposing faction, they are going to be gunning for each other pretty hard--during the day and night. Even if we mislynch again today, they will still be at each other until one side is wiped out.

My vote was on LSU throughout the day because he just always stood out as the scummiest imo. I completely forgot that the deadline was at 6 am eastern time (where I live) else I might have changed my vote before I went to bed, seeing as how no one wanted to lynch LSU except for me. But tbh, I'm not sure who I would have changed it to that had a reasonable chance of getting lynched. I came around to sausage as the day went on, so I don't think it would have been him (yeah, that's easy to say now, but I said it on D1 as well).

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I still don't think Hotshot is scum. Yeah, he really seems like it on his face, but he played like this in another game and I was convinced that he was scum for sure and he flipped town. I know this is a meta argument, but he's one of those players who seems scummy when he's town and seems towny when he's scum. It would be nice if he would step it up though.

fpd

tl;dr I'll read belly's post later.

[dakky21]

I didn't get prodded because I actually posted something. I planned to post more, and vote, but didn't get there. I wasn't in chat for an entire week, not once, and missed a whole bunch of turns. I didn't expect to be as busy as it turned out to be.

I'm here now, and will make up for everything on D2.

dakky, can you confirm the red portion?

Unfortunately, yes. He wasn't in chat entire week.
I'm not in his clan but got asked from a few members where is he and why is he missing turns

there has been 3 town kills thus far mean only 6 left, with that said im curious what is it that made Dakky AND Belly come out guns blazing saying x or Y MUST be killed today??

i woudnt exactly say were at lynch lose right now as heck tongiht both groups of skum(warwolf and mafia) could potentially end up killing each other meaning it be 5 town vrs 2 skum.

/cut

Tim, though your writing skills aren't that great, it never sucked this bad.
I am not onto you because you spelled a lot of things wrong, but this looks like a copy & paste from your boss who said "write this in the post".
Especially the space character " " you left in front of i. Common fail when copy & pasting...

unvote streaker
vote Tim

[dakky21]

The space character is visible when you try to quote his post.

[HotShot53]

there has been 3 town kills thus far mean only 6 left, with that said im curious what is it that made Dakky AND Belly come out guns blazing saying x or Y MUST be killed today??

i woudnt exactly say were at lynch lose right now as heck tongiht both groups of skum(warwolf and mafia) could potentially end up killing each other meaning it be 5 town vrs 2 skum.

now back to origonall thought that way that dakky and belly came out the gate today it makes me lean skum just a tad bit more on them.
dakky im leanng skumish on you because after D1 where you hard defended streaker then come out saying he must be lynched?? only way you could of known what he is yesterday is if your 1 of the 2 skum factions and you want him gone before he can out you?

Belly again yesterday you was insisting we was lynching the wrong person almost a if you KNEW already what he would not flip as and here you are comng out of the gates and pointing out even more that YOU KNEW he would flip town or at least not your team of skum.

Maybe dakky got results saying streaker is scum? And maybe his partner sent the results to him, so dakky's scum also, and that's why he doesn't want to just come out and say what results he got?

Speaking of results... presumably there are now 2 investigation results that people have, unless they were given to people who were also killed. Is there any reason to not reveal the results? It's not like a cop where you make yourself a target by giving out the investigation... you didn't create the investigation, so killing the talker wouldn't stop the investigations.

Were lynching hotshot today he's never town his read on me was completely fabricated and bull shit he tried to bring in meta into this game that was factually incorrect as I am not playing the same as I played in previous games.

Also hotshot is not one to not post when he's town he's more interested and invested to solve the game.

I think I've been lynched more for not talking when town than when scum... in fact when scum, I am rarely accused of scummarizing. If I was scum, I'd probably be joining an easy case on you... remember there are two groups of scum this time, even scum don't know for sure who is town and who is the other scum.

[TimWoodbury]

Tim, though your writing skills aren't that great, it never sucked this bad.
I am not onto you because you spelled a lot of things wrong, but this looks like a copy & paste from your boss who said "write this in the post".
Especially the space character " " you left in front of i. Common fail when copy & pasting...

unvote streaker
vote Tim

here i was thinking my spelling was pretty good on that im not seeing anything spelled wrong there and may i ask what are you talking about space character "" are you talking about am i missing it idk will say it was a ruhed post before i went to work this morning though