[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[DJPatrick]

Hi guys, suprised that I'm still here...but then again looks like I', such an e3asy town kill/lynch that the scum wont bother about me at this stage & will just leave it to town to kill me...YOU BASTARDS PROB WILL,,,how did town kill Falmango? unless we have a minority already it appears Town are CRETINS...Go back and read the posts,,,you guys are farking gormless ghouls,,,"yes e need a lynch so lets get one under way...what's that Monkey man? Falmango looks easy? okay lets kill there for no fucking reason whatsoever...

I've already posted that Wing/Alladin/Storr are 2/3rd Scum and that Storr is, unfort, Town so ....I didn't vote for Falmango or any death that has weakened Town but fark,,,I've already declared I'm Vanilla Town and that was enough to get the last Town killed with quite a bit of Town voting...

To Quote the UK band Specials...'this Town is looking like a ghost town!!!'

[Marashu]

first question mars, can you claim?

are you still a cop, town aligned? or has this changed?

any investigations for us?

I'm still who I was before. My role says Town Cop. My death revealed that I am Town Insane Cop. Unless death somehow fixed my sanity, which I doubt, I am still who I was at the start. Still town, not a 3p zombie or revenant or ghost or anything else of the sort (my wincon is unchanged).

I can confirm that skoffin came up anti-town by my investigation. I did not get one N2 because I only revived at the start of D3. I sent in my investigation for N3, if I'm still alive and not blocked I'll have that for you soon.

I'm also curious about what kind of actions a jester might have.

I could see AladdinSane/Ragian being mafia. Spelling aside, I feel like AladdinSane is really cluttering and murking things up with is long multiposts that mainly speculate. (out of time, will try to offer more later tonight)

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I presume Mitch is messing with us. I was of the understanding that Mitch is my problem, (unless you lynch me of course)

[Iron Butterfly]

night action sent in, how the how are you guys getting so much in a post?

Jesters have night actions? Who knew.

[PLAYER57832]

I presume Mitch is messing with us. I was of the understanding that Mitch is my problem, (unless you lynch me of course)

Your problem?

[degaston]

Like I sed before, wot posibul scum motive cood I have fer teh spekulashun avbout teh gun? It's blindingly obvius dat it is ONLY spekulashun, and dat teh final werd wood have to cum frum teh man hisself. Sheesh.

Obviously, I think your motive was to confuse the issue, provide some cover for Ragian, and to get me to stop asking questions about it.
You now say that the final word about it would have to come from him, but you've also said that you assumed he did not know what his own invention did. Then you said that he was not forthcoming with information about it, and yet, of the two inventors, you're more concerned about LSU TJ?

These statements simply do not add up.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I presume Mitch is messing with us. I was of the understanding that Mitch is my problem, (unless you lynch me of course)

Your problem?

Jesters want to be lynched. So we need to kill Mitch in some other way..... so yes my problem, unless your claiming to be able to help now?

[AladdinSane]

Like I sed before, wot posibul scum motive cood I have fer teh spekulashun avbout teh gun? It's blindingly obvius dat it is ONLY spekulashun, and dat teh final werd wood have to cum frum teh man hisself. Sheesh.

Obviously, I think your motive was to confuse the issue, provide some cover for Ragian, and to get me to stop asking questions about it.
You now say that the final word about it would have to come from him, but you've also said that you assumed he did not know what his own invention did. Then you said that he was not forthcoming with information about it, and yet, of the two inventors, you're more concerned about LSU TJ?

These statements simply do not add up.

Ragian's desine of teh gun was either a dumb move or a scum move. I've been leening tord teh former, but the latter is posibul too. I've awreddy sed why it looks dumb: The so-called "suiside" seting wasn't alinement indickative, as Ragian sed he intended it to be - e.g. i tink you are Town, but you were quiet prepared to use teh "Kill" setting (on Mitch). In fact, it's so incredibly dumb dat maybe teh best eggsplanashun IS dat Ragian is scum and tried to kill you. Teh main reeson I don't see Ragian as looking scummy frum orl dis is dat their was no reeson fer him to spill teh beens on how teh "Kill" opshun werked, sinse teh gun was 1-shot and you dident use teh "Kill" opshun in the end. No chanse of been cort out their, who cood have challenjed wot he sed about it? (The reeson I qwestjuned wether he fully understood his own inventshun was dat teh mods seem to be in teh habit of MOD-ifying inventshuns fer there own amusement (LSU TJ's swetter and teh 8-borl).

But yer handling of teh gun was def dumb. You receeved a gun wit a criptic note and tree settings - "kill", "woond", and "paralyze", witch you dident fully unnerstand. Teh smart ting to do wood have been to announse "Hey, I've been given a gun wit these caracteristics, wot shood I do?", esp. sinse teh mods woodent tell you moor about it. Insted, you just made a unilaterol desizyun to kill Mitch. Dat mistake wood have killed you if teh mods had cheked there inboxes sooner. Suspose it HAD killed you: orl Town wood have known was dat you tried to kill Mitch and ended up ded yerself. If you announsed teh gift and its caracteristics, it wood have been uzeful info in establishing wot hapened.

Teh note was cleerly a worning - even if teh eggsact nachure of teh gun wasn't cleer, it shood have been obvius dat it wozent going to be straitforward "Point and shoot and kill", esp. wit teh track record of inventshuns in dis game. You dident even cum up wit teh obvius best use fer teh gun: threten Sausage - it took Storr to point dat out. Orso, by announsing teh gun and solisiting suggestjuns, we cood have analised those suggestjuns to look fer scum (enywun advokating "Kill" wood have looked scummy.

I was rite to qwestjun teh usefulness of asking about teh other settings on teh gun: knowing wot "woond" and "paralyze" did hasent advansed teh serch fer scum wun iota. It's inneresting, but not useful.

I have awreddy posted my reesons fer been suspishus of LSU TJ.

[AladdinSane]

How do we know Deg shot Mitch?

I think you could figure that out if you were reading / trying.

No point in lynching Mitch now. I wounded him (to save my kill as a threat for sausage, like you wanted), so I assume he'll be dead tomorrow. Turns out it was just a one-shot weapon.

A: You wait until tomorrow morning and see if Mitch turns up dead.

You do seem to be trying to create a lot of pointless distractions, though.

So, you accused Wing of creating "a lot of pointless distractions", but you don't follow thru in dat case?

[StorrZerg]

rich coming from you

[StorrZerg]

@aladdinSane have you taken any advice from anyone this game. honest question.

[AladdinSane]

How do we know Deg shot Mitch?

I think you could figure that out if you were reading / trying.

No point in lynching Mitch now. I wounded him (to save my kill as a threat for sausage, like you wanted), so I assume he'll be dead tomorrow. Turns out it was just a one-shot weapon.

A: You wait until tomorrow morning and see if Mitch turns up dead.

You do seem to be trying to create a lot of pointless distractions, though.

So, you accused Wing of creating "a lot of pointless distractions", but you don't follow thru in dat case?

rich coming from you

Teh implikashun been dat I create a lot of pointless distrakshuns. But dat is untrue. 95% of evryting I post is aimed at finding scum, or trying to figger out wot's going on, so as to find scum - nowun beets dat, not even you. If you tink dat isent teh case, cite spesific eggsamples.

As fer yer other kwestjun, yes: I followed yer advise not to mispel playas' names - seemed sensibul. Orso, wot I take to be IB's advise to eggsamine teh posts fer hidden messages, tho if I am in a hurry, I ofen ferget to do dat. Wot other advise wood you have me take, given I cant do enytink about my PR? Honest kwestjun.

[AladdinSane]

Well, I'm really glad I was keeping up with this game even when dead (except for most of N2 chat, because I was out of town).

The bad news is, I don't have much in the way of info for checks. N1 the mods didn't send me a result (and it would not have mattered, since I investigated Skoffin). I did NOT know that I was insane, so I likely would have redchecked the town doc. N2 I did not get a check, because I was quite dead. I am allowed to use all the info I remember from dead chat, which is really just finding out more from Sausage about what his role was, finding out that HotShot was, in fact, a cult recruiter (so IB did help town with that one), and finding out what the deal is with the apples, kinda (mods gave everyone an apple, and those who ate them got random things happening, some good, some bad). It did not reveal the alignment of any living players, sadly.

I will also say that my cop checks come in the form of town, anti-town, and no result.

At the moment, I am in favour of a mass claim.

first question mars, can you claim?

are you still a cop, town aligned? or has this changed?

any investigations for us?

I'm still who I was before. My role says Town Cop. My death revealed that I am Town Insane Cop. Unless death somehow fixed my sanity, which I doubt, I am still who I was at the start. Still town, not a 3p zombie or revenant or ghost or anything else of the sort (my wincon is unchanged).

I can confirm that skoffin came up anti-town by my investigation. I did not get one N2 because I only revived at the start of D3. I sent in my investigation for N3, if I'm still alive and not blocked I'll have that for you soon.

So, in dat firt post, frum teh begining of D3, after you revived, you sed dat you dident get a resolt frum teh mods about yer Skoffin investimagashun. Yet in teh secund post, you say Skoffin came up anti-Town. It's a blatant contradickshun. And you dident say in dat secund post dat teh mods sent you late notise of yer resolt, and why wood dey, enyway?

And you still havent ansered my erlier kwestjun about why teh ded wood have privilejed info about the appuls. It's nuttink dat HotShot or WhatSausage wood know eny more about than we do.

I reely don't see teh point of TWR's kwestjuns - if you HAVE changed alinement etc., of corse you will deny it.

I'm also curious about what kind of actions a jester might have.

Man, if I eggspressed curiosity like dat in a post, half a dozen peepul wood leep down my throat.

I could see AladdinSane/Ragian being mafia. Spelling aside, I feel like AladdinSane is really cluttering and murking things up with is long multiposts that mainly speculate. (out of time, will try to offer more later tonight)

OMGUS, mutch? Just point teh finger at teh guy who has been saying you prob won't return same as before, wit recycled BS about posts dat spekulate.

[madmitch]

@ WCG if you do not night kill me I will follow your vote.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

@ WCG if you do not night kill me I will follow your vote.

Aye, side with the person who actually has control over your fate.

Take that mafia, I'm a doublevoter now.

@Aladdin. - Posting 70% of cases is not particularly helpful. Its good to know that you are seeing these things and recognise what the missing information you require is. However, without the missing piece of information its just distracting drivel. Keep notes privately, and when critical information comes to light destroy them in thread. If you did so right now, I bet most would just ignore you.

[AladdinSane]

@ WCG if you do not night kill me I will follow your vote.

Aye, side with the person who actually has control over your fate.

Take that mafia, I'm a doublevoter now.

@Aladdin. - Posting 70% of cases is not particularly helpful. Its good to know that you are seeing these things and recognise what the missing information you require is. However, without the missing piece of information its just distracting drivel. Keep notes privately, and when critical information comes to light destroy them in thread. If you did so right now, I bet most would just ignore you.

I take your point Wing, and tanks fer teh advise, but I put out teh 70% in teh hope dat sumwun will see teh 30% I havent got. Like, maybe sumwun else awreddy has dat 30% in there notes, and dey were just waiting fer a missing peese of teh puzzle.

Enyway, yeah - I'll take yer advise, simply becorse I am sick of digging hear and dere, only to here sumwun bitch about "spekulashun" or too mutch posting.

@Evrywun bitchin about too mutch posting: You know, we're on p.85 and we've been playing over a month now. Dat's about 2.5 pages per day, mutch of witch is whitespace and quotes, witch don't need to be red over and over. If dat is too mutch reeding fer you to dijest, yer playing teh rong game; stick to Risk.

[degaston]

But yer handling of teh gun was def dumb...

I considered saying that I had received the gun, but there had been conflicting views on whether the vig should out himself, and while I was thinking about it, Mitch started spouting nonsense about how he was the mailman, and that he was bad for town. The consensus seemed to be that he was probably a jester. I did ask what should be done about him:

What do you do with a jester? Leave him? If there's a vig, should he kill him?

Storr gave a "yes and no" answer, with the concern being that scum might redirect the kill. Since I was allowed to kill during the day, that wouldn't be a problem, so I decided to kill him. I figured there was no way that he was town, and hoped that killing him would end his distractions and allow town to come together for a scum lynch. At that point, we didn't know that inventions might not work as expected.

I could not determine what the note meant. It might have meant that the effects would not last, or maybe it meant that the gun would not last and I needed to use it quickly. I never would have guessed that it would kill me.

I was rite to qwestjun teh usefulness of asking about teh other settings on teh gun: knowing wot "woond" and "paralyze" did hasent advansed teh serch fer scum wun iota. It's inneresting, but not useful.

This is ridiculous. You can't assume that you know the importance of something if you have incomplete information about it. I was not on some wild goose chase. I just wanted to know the full nature of the invention I had been given. It was a simple question, and it should have been easy for Ragian to answer. Has there been some other line of questioning that you criticized so strongly? Sorry, I can't go over all of your 396 posts to find out.

[StorrZerg]

@AladdinSane 95% of what you post is fear mongering and parano ideas. You have no idea how to rationalize facts in the game and lynch realistically. Given the opportunity to lynch someone you found scum, you decided to keep pushing a ludicrous case on someone that had been cop checked, and brought back a town cop. That by your own admission wouldn't solve the alignment of marashu or if he kept his powers. How can you not read that statement and not think it was awful.

And honestly what can you do about your pr, stop Pissing people off by abusing it. No buts about it, you are abusing it at a full to pissed people off. So much so you are giving people an easy out to ignore you simply on that.


@AladdinSane, marashu didn't contradict himself. I'll spell it out, he likely talked to the mod, hence why he can confirm. Also it can't be omgus from marashu, because you don't have a legitimate reason to call him scum. Your case is litteraly "you might not be town " that's it. When in reality he's fucking confirmed town as it fucking gets in this game.

[AladdinSane]

@AladdinSane 95% of what you post is fear mongering and parano ideas. You have no idea how to rationalize facts in the game and lynch realistically. Given the opportunity to lynch someone you found scum, you decided to keep pushing a ludicrous case on someone that had been cop checked, and brought back a town cop. That by your own admission wouldn't solve the alignment of marashu or if he kept his powers. How can you not read that statement and not think it was awful.

And honestly what can you do about your pr, stop Pissing people off by abusing it. No buts about it, you are abusing it at a full to pissed people off. So much so you are giving people an easy out to ignore you simply on that.


@AladdinSane, marashu didn't contradict himself. I'll spell it out, he likely talked to the mod, hence why he can confirm. Also it can't be omgus from marashu, because you don't have a legitimate reason to call him scum. Your case is litteraly "you might not be town " that's it. When in reality he's fucking confirmed town as it fucking gets in this game.

Storr, you are so fool of sheet, dude. Fer a start, cut teh "I been cop-cheked, end of story" BS. Prob just about evry game has a Godfather, rite? It's a common Mafia roll. And Godfathers retern "Town" to sane cop checks. So it's hardly unherd-of dat a Mafia scum in a game wood retern "Town" to a sane cop chek. Yet you insist on acting like it wood be sum outlandish unherd-of thing, and yes, dat does make me suspishus. It does count fer sumtink tho - witch I've sed before. However, it was nesessary to press you, becorse you were playin teh game of demanding ansers frum evrywun else but not giving eny yerself.Oh, and did you ever tell us teh remaining two tings about yer roll?

As fer Marashu, he remains unproven, and yer eggsplanashun of his contradickshun is weak. Ferthermore, I hope Deg wil notice dat you saw fit to leep to his defense wen he is now revived and perfeckly capabul of ansering fer himself. Well Deg, how about it? You've been banging on about how I ansered yer kwestjuns to Ragian - how about been consistent and doing teh same fer Storr ansering on behalf of Marashu?

Back to Storr: Like I noted before, you are distinkly uncomfertabul deeling wit high degrees of uncertanty - dat's why you keep grasping at parshally-established facts as if dey were Gospul truths. And you say I dont know how to linch reelistickly? Reely? Rite after Falko got voted by 13 out of 20 playas? (Yes, including my reluctant vote). How meny scum have YOU served up? Let's see...oh, ZERO.

You say "Given the opportunity to lynch someone you found scum", by witch I gess you ment Wing. Yeah, well why dident dat pick up moor steem than it did? Partly becorse YOU pushed to keep yer SK/Vig alive to kill VTs - even tho you say its better to linch than vig becorse we get moor info.

Finorly, just get over my PR, ffs. Lern to deel wit sheet. You prob live in sum gated comunity wear residense howl in protest if sumwun paints there own mailbox teh rong shade of beige. Orl I know is I dont get rockets about my speling from teh mods enymore, and their the bosses, not you. Why posibul reeson wood I have fer mispeling moor than I have to?

@ teh moor eggsperiensed playas genrally: I am just going to play teh game teh way I see fit. If you don't want to reed my posts, then don't - but don't cum crying to me wen we lose becorse you failed to take notice of sumting I sed. And wen you complain, at leest be consistant and apply teh same to other playas. I cant quiet deside if you are just dicks who have gotten used to a cozy club of playas playin teh game in a sertain way, and upset at sumwun rockin teh boat, or if you have scummy reesons fer trying to close me down becorse I am onto sumtink. Their are def links between Storr, IB, Marashu, LSU TJ. Wing I tink red Storr as Town erly on and tried to pocket him. PTLowe red Storr as Town, obeyed his corl fer massclaim, and died as a resolt. Now our power rolls are eggsposed and scum are free to pick us orf.

Enyway, I'll prob be NKed tonite. Scum will figger Marashu wil be perteckted and will go after me as a serogate cop kill. So Ima post my thorts on playas before I go out.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Prob just about evry game has a Godfather, rite? It's a common Mafia roll.

Not even close. How many games have you played so far? Have any had a Godfather? So you;ve just scum slipped and mafia have a godfather in THIS game!

PTLowe red Storr as Town,

This is why your drivel is nonsense. PTLowe the TOWN cop read Storr as town and acted accordingly. This undoes your entire argument that we are scum for trusting Storr.

Enyway, I'll prob be NKed tonite. Scum will figger Marashu wil be perteckted and will go after me as a serogate cop kill. So Ima post my thorts on playas before I go out.

I am more likely to kill you than mafia.

[degaston]

Ferthermore, I hope Deg wil notice dat you saw fit to leep to his defense wen he is now revived and perfeckly capabul of ansering fer himself. Well Deg, how about it? You've been banging on about how I ansered yer kwestjuns to Ragian - how about been consistent and doing teh same fer Storr ansering on behalf of Marashu?

The difference, of course, is that I wasn't the one asking the question. I try to notice as much as I can, but I don't feel the need to insert myself into this discussion because, at this point, I have nothing useful to add. Just because I have ten fingers and two eyes doesn't mean I have to type five times as much as I read.

Though if you really need it, you have my permission to get angry with Storr for answering a question that Marashu should have answered.

[StorrZerg]

Are you even reading the same game? I was absolutely against keeping wing alive at the latter half of day 3. Good lord

[AladdinSane]

Prob just about evry game has a Godfather, rite? It's a common Mafia roll.

Not even close. How many games have you played so far? Have any had a Godfather? So you;ve just scum slipped and mafia have a godfather in THIS game!

*sigh* Rong agin, Wing, old boy. I based dat on their been a Godfather in teh Beginners game I played (my only other game then dis), and on this:

Examples of Very Common Roles
Mafia

Goon
Roleblocker
Godfather

Town

Townie
Cop
Doctor
Roleblocker
Vigilante

Third-party

Serial Killer

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... _Main_Page

PTLowe red Storr as Town,

This is why your drivel is nonsense. PTLowe the TOWN cop read Storr as town and acted accordingly. This undoes your entire argument that we are scum for trusting Storr.

Yer missing teh point. Teh point is dat PTLowe got killed as a resolt of trusting Storr's corl fer massclaim. Even if Storr is Town, dat corl has had an anti-Town effect. If Marashu terns out to be scum now, then I tink we have to say dat Storr's play has been anti-Town enough to over-ride his Town reeding by PTLowe. I can't beleeve you guys can't see dis - you insist on acting as if their is no sutch ting as busdriving or Godfathers. Why?

Orso, orl I am saying about Storr is dat he is not 100% Town as he keeps pressing us to beleeve. On balance of prob he is Town, BUT let's just keep in mind dat it isent a shore ting. Similarly, let's just bare in mind dat Marashu MITE have changed alinement, so take his reeds with a grain of salt. I tink those are reesonabul tings to say. If you disagree, then we have diffrent definishuns of "reesonabul". Wun ting dat I tink werks in Storr's favor is dat I dont tink the mods wood have given him Revival, dubble save AND Godfather. Partly it is teh verry shrillness of replies by you and Storr dat keeps fanning teh flames of my suspishun. Calmer replies mite have seen me move on.

Enyway, I'll prob be NKed tonite. Scum will figger Marashu wil be perteckted and will go after me as a serogate cop kill. So Ima post my thorts on playas before I go out.

I am more likely to kill you than mafia.

LOL, and Town and Scum alike will brake out in spontaneous selebrashun and join hands at not having to reed my posts enymore. Dat woodent supprise me, ackshually. Teh level of hostility my PR has provoked has been astonishing. Reminds me of those RL syckolojikal eggsperiments wear dey aribrarily make sumwun "diffrent" from teh groop, in a groop of subjecks, and wotch as teh groop tries to tear dat person to peeces.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

*sigh* Rong agin, Wing, old boy. I based dat on their been a Godfather in teh Beginners game I played (my only other game then dis), and on this:

Pretty sure there wasnt and I just checked....

How many times, this is not mafiascum.net! Its a good reference for how roles work, thats it.

[AladdinSane]

*sigh* Rong agin, Wing, old boy. I based dat on their been a Godfather in teh Beginners game I played (my only other game then dis), and on this:

Pretty sure there wasnt and I just checked....

How many times, this is not mafiascum.net! Its a good reference for how roles work, thats it.

Jesus, Wing! Put yer reedin glasses on next time you chek sumting:

From teh Beginner game (Benga acksually took over frum Bos neer teh end, so he can verify):

Roles:

A) Town:

5 VT - white rose, Soldier, mitch, Aladdin, Tim
1 Cop - risky
1 Doctor - DJPatrick
1 backup cop - IronButterfly


B) Mafia

1 GF - bosaard
1 Goon - Ragian

Fakeclaim – commuter, backup doc

Night actions:

N1:
risky investigates whiterose
Patrick protects Tim
Mafia kills IronButterfly

N2:
Patrick protects Aladdin
risky investigates Streaker
Mafia kills whiterose

N3
DJ protects risky
risky investigates mitch
mafia kills Aladdin

N4:
DJ protects risky
risky investigates DJ
benga kills mitch

I'll have more comment on gameplay on Monday. Busy weekend but I wanted to at least post the roles and actions.

http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/4zfEdwkM7CzEt

Note: I ignored bosard's last action because I saw it after she requested to be replaced and wanted benga to decide the NK.

Yes, I know dis inent MafiaScum, but why are you sooooooooo down on teh idee their cood be a godfather? If you are Town, it wood make sense to allow fer teh posibility. Trying to close down the idee looks scummy fer both you and Storr.