New Jedi Order Mafia MOZ & VONG WIN

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:31 pm

If I was scum in this game, I'd claim exactly what Serbia claimed. I don't think his claim let's him off the hook one bit.

kalishnikov · Post by **kalishnikov** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:32 pm

Serbia wrote:
kalishnikov wrote:I still think Serbia is scum. He's been bandwagoning/submarining/adding nothing useful since the attention was turned from him awhile back.

Vote: Serbia

ga7 wrote:Serbia claimed survivor already, it's looking legit and fitting so well how he played in this game that I doubt he could be scum...
For now FOS wicked for leaving her vote on Nark when it's pretty obvious who he is
As ga7 pointed out, I've claimed already. I'm a useless senator, with no power. I'm a survivor, and just trying to get by. I think that Kalish is looking to me for a quick, easy lynch.

Unvote
VOTE: Kalishnikov

I'm always looking at you for a quick, easy lynch.

In all seriousness, I did forget all about your survivor claim. And my vote just stays on you till I find a better target.

kwanton · Post by **kwanton** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:38 pm

Serbia wrote:ROLECLAIM ALERT

mandalorian2298 wrote:You are Viqi Shesh (Survivor)

You are a New Republic Senator, representing the world of Kuat. As the Yuzhaan Vong invasion sweeps the Galaxy, your mission is simple: survive, so that you can rise to power after the war has ended.

You win if you remain alive 'till the end of the game.

Confirm in the game thread.

In retrospect, just two things about this:

First I kind of believe him because it is also a name claim. A senator (survivor) role would be easy to claim for scum but a name can be ciountered. seeing as there is no counter......

Second, it looks like you quoted this directly from your PM. If you did then how come your role was in regular text and not with a special font color like the other survivor (orange I believe)

conflicting I know but these two things stuck out.

kwanton · Post by **kwanton** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:41 pm

And kalish, your role is not apparent to me either. Your brother was already killed? It might be because I'm not familiar wiht the NJO series but I'm not following you here.

Syzygy · Post by **Syzygy** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:41 pm

kwanton wrote:
Serbia wrote:ROLECLAIM ALERT

mandalorian2298 wrote:You are Viqi Shesh (Survivor)

You are a New Republic Senator, representing the world of Kuat. As the Yuzhaan Vong invasion sweeps the Galaxy, your mission is simple: survive, so that you can rise to power after the war has ended.

You win if you remain alive 'till the end of the game.

Confirm in the game thread.
In retrospect, just two things about this:

First I kind of believe him because it is also a name claim. A senator (survivor) role would be easy to claim for scum but a name can be ciountered. seeing as there is no counter......

Second, it looks like you quoted this directly from your PM. If you did then how come your role was in regular text and not with a special font color like the other survivor (orange I believe)

conflicting I know but these two things stuck out.

Copy paste doesn't keep colours.

Syzygy · Post by **Syzygy** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:42 pm

EBWOP: Nvm. I should read more carefully.

Selin · Post by **Selin** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:31 pm

Syzygy wrote:
ga7 wrote:Except for Wicked 2.0 your list is accurate.
There was something about Syzygy when we lynched MM though, not sure if that counts as a claim. If I recall well he said MM tried to recruit him
And please remember that MM wasn't scum, merely a survivor.

MM was Imperial and he wanted to recruit you as far as I can remember. And syzygy, you wrote somewhere that you didn't accept his offer. There were some inconsistencies between what you posted and what MM posted. What was the reason that you didn't accept his offer?

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Syzygy · Post by **Syzygy** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:37 pm

Selin wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
ga7 wrote:Except for Wicked 2.0 your list is accurate.
There was something about Syzygy when we lynched MM though, not sure if that counts as a claim. If I recall well he said MM tried to recruit him
And please remember that MM wasn't scum, merely a survivor.
MM was Imperial and he wanted to recruit you as far as I can remember. And syzygy, you wrote somewhere that you didn't accept his offer. There were some inconsistencies between what you posted and what MM posted. What was the reason that you didn't accept his offer?

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High risk of death.

Selin · Post by **Selin** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:37 pm

gimpyThewonder wrote:fircaol that's the second OMGUS vote you've done on me this game when i called your number. and you wonder why i'm suspicious of you?

Fircoal's vote on gimpy looks quite suspicious also to me. Additionally, considering his unusual line of posting especially at the beginning of the game,

Vote: Fircoal

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Selin · Post by **Selin** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:38 pm

Syzygy wrote:
Selin wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
ga7 wrote:Except for Wicked 2.0 your list is accurate.
There was something about Syzygy when we lynched MM though, not sure if that counts as a claim. If I recall well he said MM tried to recruit him
And please remember that MM wasn't scum, merely a survivor.
MM was Imperial and he wanted to recruit you as far as I can remember. And syzygy, you wrote somewhere that you didn't accept his offer. There were some inconsistencies between what you posted and what MM posted. What was the reason that you didn't accept his offer?

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High risk of death.

Can you explain this a little more?

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Syzygy · Post by **Syzygy** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:42 pm

Selin wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
Selin wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
ga7 wrote:Except for Wicked 2.0 your list is accurate.
There was something about Syzygy when we lynched MM though, not sure if that counts as a claim. If I recall well he said MM tried to recruit him
And please remember that MM wasn't scum, merely a survivor.
MM was Imperial and he wanted to recruit you as far as I can remember. And syzygy, you wrote somewhere that you didn't accept his offer. There were some inconsistencies between what you posted and what MM posted. What was the reason that you didn't accept his offer?

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High risk of death.
Can you explain this a little more?

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There is a certain player among the Vong - The Spymaster. Part of the conditions stated that if he was lynched it would result in my death and immediate loss.

Selin · Post by **Selin** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:15 pm

Serbia wrote:ROLECLAIM ALERT

mandalorian2298 wrote:You are Viqi Shesh (Survivor)

You are a New Republic Senator, representing the world of Kuat. As the Yuzhaan Vong invasion sweeps the Galaxy, your mission is simple: survive, so that you can rise to power after the war has ended.

You win if you remain alive 'till the end of the game.

Confirm in the game thread.
So basically I'm a nobody. Earlier in the game, I'd say go ahead and lynch me to prove it. But now, seeing as we're getting late in the game, you can't really afford to lynch me simply because I'm submarining. And as a survivor, I was just trying to fly under the radar. In order to post more, I came up with that little theory on ga7, and drew a bunch of fire. Perhaps we should look back at the voting records of those currently on my case.

I think you are lying serbia.
Aimless had the role of survivor and neutrino also claimed to be death miller. You claim to be the third survivor in this game. Isn't that a bit too much for such a passive role? I don't believe that mandy gave the role of survivor to three players.

Unvote
Vote: Serbia

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Selin · Post by **Selin** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:21 pm

freezie wrote:
mandalorian2298 wrote:You are Cal Omas (Townie/Locked Role)

You are a New Republic Senator, representing the displaced people of Alderaan. At this time your only power is to vote, but this could change in the future.

You win when all the threats to the New Republic have been eliminated.

Confirm in the game thread.

There, do what you want with it.

Of course I had a '' power-role'' the problem is I don't know what it is. Yet.

Hmmm....

Quite similar (to Serbia's) fake claim of freezie who turned out to be mafia.

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mandalorian2298 · Post by **mandalorian2298** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:34 pm

VOTE COUNT

Serbia (2) - Kalish, Selin
Nark (1) - Wicked,
Ga7 (1) - Gimpy
Wicked (1) - Nark,
Gimpy (1) - Fircoal
Kalish (1) - Serbia

11 Alive 6 to Lynch

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:56 pm

Neutrino was a regular townie though?
Anyway, my take on this is I don't see why there couldn't be several survivors. Looking at the dead list the town was basically packed with power roles or jedis of some sort, which seem better than your average vanilla. I think it makes sense in general balance to have some powerless roles too.
Concerning the color, we already had that talk during Freezie's fake claim, and many roles went without color.
Lastly, I feel you disregard the fact that Mandy is a lazy one.

In any case, it seems convenient to everyone to go after a claimed survivor and in itself that is a bit fishy to me... Now, I don't say there's no possibility that Serbia is in fact scum, but I just don't think his play since the beginning really fits with that.

Minister Masket · Post by **Minister Masket** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:12 pm

Selin wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
ga7 wrote:Except for Wicked 2.0 your list is accurate.
There was something about Syzygy when we lynched MM though, not sure if that counts as a claim. If I recall well he said MM tried to recruit him
And please remember that MM wasn't scum, merely a survivor.
MM was Imperial and he wanted to recruit you as far as I can remember. And syzygy, you wrote somewhere that you didn't accept his offer. There were some inconsistencies between what you posted and what MM posted. What was the reason that you didn't accept his offer?

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Oh good, you remember me. I shall now "force-ghost" haunt you for the rest of your days.

Serbia · Post by **Serbia** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:42 pm

kwanton wrote:In retrospect, just two things about this:

First I kind of believe him because it is also a name claim. A senator (survivor) role would be easy to claim for scum but a name can be ciountered. seeing as there is no counter......

Second, it looks like you quoted this directly from your PM. If you did then how come your role was in regular text and not with a special font color like the other survivor (orange I believe)

conflicting I know but these two things stuck out.

About the name color, there was no color for the name. Which is evident by my direct quote. Maybe some of you got colors for yours, but, remember who's modding this game.

And to Selin, what about Mandy makes you think he WOULDN'T have three survivors? The fact that Mandy is the most serious mafia player on this site, and never does anything silly? Because then maybe you've got a point.

If I were scum, and trying to save myself, I'd try to make myself valuable. But I'm not. (Not scum, nor particularly valuable, except for numbers) So believe me or not, but I'd take a very hard look at those who insist on lynching me today (Kalish!)

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:28 pm

Meh, I'm not sure what to think of Serbia. I feel for that that we should probably trust him, but the most convincing argument of him being scum is the closeness to Freezie's role claim as scum, but then again, maybe Mandy did that to us to mess us up. you know it IS Mandy.

Selin · Post by **Selin** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:02 am

Serbia wrote:
kwanton wrote:In retrospect, just two things about this:

First I kind of believe him because it is also a name claim. A senator (survivor) role would be easy to claim for scum but a name can be ciountered. seeing as there is no counter......

Second, it looks like you quoted this directly from your PM. If you did then how come your role was in regular text and not with a special font color like the other survivor (orange I believe)

conflicting I know but these two things stuck out.
About the name color, there was no color for the name. Which is evident by my direct quote. Maybe some of you got colors for yours, but, remember who's modding this game.

And to Selin, what about Mandy makes you think he WOULDN'T have three survivors? The fact that Mandy is the most serious mafia player on this site, and never does anything silly? Because then maybe you've got a point.

If I were scum, and trying to save myself, I'd try to make myself valuable. But I'm not. (Not scum, nor particularly valuable, except for numbers) So believe me or not, but I'd take a very hard look at those who insist on lynching me today (Kalish!)

Passive roles like survivors are not popular among the mods, unless the game is big enough to have such a variety. The reason is that (as you also stated in one of your earlier post) you usually stay passive, most of the time submarining, no particular interest to find scum or to have/to hinder a lynch. In a game with 32 players I could imagine that mandy gave that role to one of the players, but giving more or less the same role to three players would have made the game non-interesting at some stage. Even in the case of aimless he was not a simple survivor, but he had the ability to double vote to equalize the passiveness of the survivor role. This is just my opinion, of course without proof, but combined with the similarity to the fake claim of freezie my guess was that you were not telling the truth.

The similarity to freezie's fake claim gives us more clues than you thought probably. First Freezie posted a fake claim and than you posted your role claim quoting mandy. What is the probability that freezie used exactly the same wording in his fake claim as the wording of mandy in your claim? I think you used his fake claim, found a fitting name from wiki, and changed it the formulation a little so that it wouldn't be fully the same.

One last issue, all the 19 dead roles up to now had a color! Did you notice that you are the only one who does not have one? And your comment was:
"Maybe some of you got colors for yours, but, remember who's modding this game. "
So practically you say mandy forgot to make your role colorful, and only your role! I simply don't buy it.

My vote will stay.

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Talapus · Post by **Talapus** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:05 am

Selin wrote:
The similarity to freezie's fake claim gives us more clues than you thought probably. First Freezie posted a fake claim and than you posted your role claim quoting mandy. What is the probability that freezie used exactly the same wording in his fake claim as the wording of mandy in your claim? I think you used his fake claim, found a fitting name from wiki, and changed it the formulation a little so that it wouldn't be fully the same.One last issue, all the 19 dead roles up to now had a color! Did you notice that you are the only one who does not have one? And your comment was:
"Maybe some of you got colors for yours, but, remember who's modding this game. "
So practically you say mandy forgot to make your role colorful, and only your role! I simply don't buy it.

My vote will stay.

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Wow, this is a really good point. If you were provided with a fake claim, then it would be practically identical to the one the freezie used, which it is. As for the color thing...Well, mandy may have just slacked off. But, with the amount of time he spent putting this together and writing out the roles, I find it odd that he just "forgot" to give your role a color. But the color thing isn't conclusive enough to know for sure.

Also, the only way we'd know to take a hard look at Kalish, is by proving you innocent or scum, which we haven't. Lookign at the quotes and past posts from the both of you, you definately seem like the better lynch at the moment. But, we'll see. So for now, an FOS on Serbia.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:18 am

mandalorian2298 wrote: LSU (Leia Organa Solo) (New Republic Diplomat)

Aimless (Borsk Fey'lya)(Survivor/Double Voter)

Nice slipup with the colorless quote there Serbs. Both Diplomet and Survivor were assigned colors. The only one Mandy may not have used a color on was Imperial b/c white was hard to see, even still the color was still assigned.

unvote vote Serbia

Serbia · Post by **Serbia** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:48 am

That's fine Wicked. I'll point out that those are two different colors, and that I'm a Senator, which is a third different title. I'll warn you all not to put stock into the colors. And maybe, just maybe, Mandy added the colors in the thread here, but not the pm's? I don't know. I thought using a direct quote would be good enough, guess not.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:12 am

And from wikipedia....

Viqi Shesh was the senator of Kuat during the Yuuzhan Vong war. A corrupt Senator, she secretly joined forces with the Yuuzhan Vong, and organised many sabotage and murder attempts. After becoming involved in many anti-Jedi activities, she made a strong enemy of Leia Organa Solo, who suspected her of attempted murder, and many others, who suspected her as a spy.

Shesh attempted to kidnap Ben Skywalker during the Battle of Coruscant, but failed. Working as a spy in the New Republic, she did a lot of internal damage, before she committed suicide by leaping off a Coruscant skyscraper.

nice claim.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:16 am

ga7 wrote:http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Raynar_Thul
Well, I dunno if there's any knowledgeable star wars geeks out there that could tell us more, but after checking the character looks fairly clean to me...

and how funny that ga didn't check Serbia's claim on that site as well. I did.. and here's what it said:

Viqi Shesh was a New Republic Senator from Kuat who lapped up the taste of power and committed treason against the New Republic during the Yuuzhan Vong War.

FOS ga

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:01 am

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... start=1485
Read page 100-102 about the color issue when Freezie fake-claimed.

About the checking, I didn't bother to check Serbia's character yep. Well, maybe I'm being naive as it's not like I can know for sure, but I do think Mandy is lazy, and that you're making a mistake.

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