No Chat – No Attitude – Am I the one who is wrong?

[natty dread]

No it doesn't. Manners do not imply "not lying" anywhere. In fact in lots of cases manners are all about lying.

You're just trying to rationalize your own laziness.

[porkenbeans]

No it doesn't. Manners do not imply "not lying" anywhere. In fact in lots of cases manners are all about lying.

You're just trying to rationalize your own laziness.

Yes, it is just plane good sportsmanship to say GL. That does not mean that you hope to loose, but rather that you hope to have a good challenge, and that no matter the outcome, you will also say GG. It is good sportsmanship, (something that you should have learned in kindergarten).

[Metsfanmax]

I would rather loose because of the skill of the other player than win because of a very bad streak of dice by the opponent.

This isn't about how you would rather lose, it's about whether you'd rather lose or win. Saying "good luck" implies you'd like your opponent to have a good chance of winning. I do not think anyone wants their opponent to have good chances. If anything, they want their opponent to simply have fair chances (i.e. equal), in which case you should be saying "average luck!"

No it doesn't. Manners do not imply "not lying" anywhere. In fact in lots of cases manners are all about lying.

You're just trying to rationalize your own laziness.

I'm rationalizing? No. Anyone who routinely says "good luck" or "good game" is rationalizing, because they somehow believe that by repeating the same phrase in every single game they play, it still has any meaning. You've got to be deluding yourself if you think that it really implies anything good about a person when they act like an automaton and say the same thing all the time.

[owenshooter]

the only reason people continue to rate is for a medal. this is why a medal for rating X amount of people is stupid. the inflation of the rating system under the current system an the inability for anyone to come up with a set standard on how to rate people, has caused me to rarely rate people. i now rate people as i did when we had the feedback option. someone has to be exceptionally good or give me a great game for me to even bother leaving a rating. i don't even bother with the poor players anymore, it just doesn't matter. so, just like the foe feature, i no longer bother to concern myself with the rating system. it is pointless... the black jesus has spoken..-the black jesus

[porkenbeans]

Are you guys kidding me ?
To be polite every time, is somehow being disingenuous ?
Yours is the attitude of a pampered and spoiled little brat, that was never taught the ways of CIVILITY.

[Army of GOD]

Okay, but luck isn't really a factor in athletic competitions - the person who wins is generally the most skilled competitor.

Have you ever played a sport ever? Luck means a lot in sports. A good team can lose 1-0 in soccer because of a bad bounce and the other team stepped up. An injury can occur. A pitcher, who may have never gotten a hit in his life, can hit a game winning home run. In golf, the slightest millimeter can mean the difference between one stroke..which means a lot.

Luck plays a huge factor in sports.

[Joodoo]

Okay, but luck isn't really a factor in athletic competitions - the person who wins is generally the most skilled competitor.

Have you ever played a sport ever? Luck means a lot in sports. A good team can lose 1-0 in soccer because of a bad bounce and the other team stepped up. An injury can occur. A pitcher, who may have never gotten a hit in his life, can hit a game winning home run. In golf, the slightest millimeter can mean the difference between one stroke..which means a lot.

Luck plays a huge factor in sports.

You forgot to mention referee/judging bias.

[Metsfanmax]

Okay, but luck isn't really a factor in athletic competitions - the person who wins is generally the most skilled competitor.

Have you ever played a sport ever? Luck means a lot in sports. A good team can lose 1-0 in soccer because of a bad bounce and the other team stepped up. An injury can occur. A pitcher, who may have never gotten a hit in his life, can hit a game winning home run. In golf, the slightest millimeter can mean the difference between one stroke..which means a lot.

Luck plays a huge factor in sports.

I said athletic competitions, not sports. natty_dread gave the example of a race, to which my comment directly applies. Of course it's possible that something really unfortunate will happen, like one of the athletes will tear a muscle in his leg shortly before the race. But choosing not to say "good luck" doesn't mean you want that to happen, because you just need to have not completely awful luck to avoid that. If you people want fair competitions, then saying good luck is simply just a lie, because that implies that you want your opponent to have an unfair advantage based on their luck. I don't want my opponent to have good luck, I want them to simply have fair chances at winning the game. If, as I assume, that's all you want too, then why would you lie and say good luck? Because it's "polite?" All I can say is: blind conformity is overrated, especially when what you're conforming to is utter nonsense.

[porkenbeans]

Okay, but luck isn't really a factor in athletic competitions - the person who wins is generally the most skilled competitor.

Have you ever played a sport ever? Luck means a lot in sports. A good team can lose 1-0 in soccer because of a bad bounce and the other team stepped up. An injury can occur. A pitcher, who may have never gotten a hit in his life, can hit a game winning home run. In golf, the slightest millimeter can mean the difference between one stroke..which means a lot.

Luck plays a huge factor in sports.

I said athletic competitions, not sports. natty_dread gave the example of a race, to which my comment directly applies. Of course it's possible that something really unfortunate will happen, like one of the athletes will tear a muscle in his leg shortly before the race. But choosing not to say "good luck" doesn't mean you want that to happen, because you just need to have not completely awful luck to avoid that. If you people want fair competitions, then saying good luck is simply just a lie, because that implies that you want your opponent to have an unfair advantage based on their luck. I don't want my opponent to have good luck, I want them to simply have fair chances at winning the game. If, as I assume, that's all you want too, then why would you lie and say good luck? Because it's "polite?" All I can say is: blind conformity is overrated, especially when what you're conforming to is utter nonsense.

Saying good luck is just a euphemistic statement. It is NOT a lie, and it does not mean that you hope the other guy wins. It is only meant as a good will gesture. For you to NOT understand this simple little act of cordiality, is a blemish on your mothers parenting skills.

I find it very amusing that you would worry so much about being a lair, but you do not seem to mind being a horses ass.

Comon man, stop being so fricking stupid. Just type gl and gg. It is not much of an effort, and you will benefit from it as well.

[Metsfanmax]

Saying good luck is just a euphemistic statement. It is NOT a lie, and it does not mean that you hope the other guy wins. It is only meant as a good will gesture. For you to NOT understand this simple little act of cordiality, is a blemish on your mothers parenting skills.

Comon man, stop being so fricking stupid. Just type gl and gg. It is not much of an effort, and you will benefit from it as well.

It's either a lie that you believe is harmless, or a true statement that implies that you want your opponent to have better-than-average luck.

If you can't understand that simple logic, that is a blemish on your mother's parenting skills ;P

[porkenbeans]

Saying good luck is just a euphemistic statement. It is NOT a lie, and it does not mean that you hope the other guy wins. It is only meant as a good will gesture. For you to NOT understand this simple little act of cordiality, is a blemish on your mothers parenting skills.

Comon man, stop being so fricking stupid. Just type gl and gg. It is not much of an effort, and you will benefit from it as well.

It's either a lie that you believe is harmless, or a true statement that implies that you want your opponent to have better-than-average luck.

If you can't understand that simple logic, that is a blemish on your mother's parenting skills ;P

You are an idiot. plain and simple.

[Metsfanmax]

Saying good luck is just a euphemistic statement. It is NOT a lie, and it does not mean that you hope the other guy wins. It is only meant as a good will gesture. For you to NOT understand this simple little act of cordiality, is a blemish on your mothers parenting skills.

Comon man, stop being so fricking stupid. Just type gl and gg. It is not much of an effort, and you will benefit from it as well.

It's either a lie that you believe is harmless, or a true statement that implies that you want your opponent to have better-than-average luck.

If you can't understand that simple logic, that is a blemish on your mother's parenting skills ;P

You are an idiot. plain and simple.

Is that supposed to be a compelling argument? I'm not going to draw meaning from a statement that's been tossed around so much that it obviously has none. If you would like to, that's fine, but don't get upset when I call you a

[Army of GOD]

I want them to simply have fair chances at winning the game. If, as I assume, that's all you want too, then why would you lie and say good luck?

Do you consider bad luck unfair? Because I do. Luck shouldn't have anything to do with competitions, yet it's unavoidable.

If we're talking about "athletic competitions" then I can still make cases where luck comes into play. Someone can slip off the starting block and can lose a 100m dash. A NASCAR driver can be hit unintentionally by an opponent and be spun out of control.

I don't always say "good luck" (I'm lazy, what can I say?) but when I do I mean it. I want them to have the same amount of luck as me, so that it comes down to who the more skilled player is.

And, I'd rather lose a close game then win a blow out.

[Metsfanmax]

I want them to simply have fair chances at winning the game. If, as I assume, that's all you want too, then why would you lie and say good luck?

I don't always say "good luck" (I'm lazy, what can I say?) but when I do I mean it. I want them to have the same amount of luck as me, so that it comes down to who the more skilled player is.

This is a contradiction. You either want them to have good (i.e. better than average) luck, as stated in your first sentence, or you want them to have average luck, as implied in your second sentence (alternatively, you might both have good rolls, but if you have the same amount of luck then your opponent's luck wasn't comparatively good).

[natty dread]

Metsfanmax, please stop trolling these people.

Just to humour this contrived controversy a bit longer though...

Wishing someone to have good luck does not have an actual effect on the game. By wishing someone good luck, you are not implying that you wish their luck to be better than yours. By wishing good luck on your opponent, you are not even implying that you wish them to win. Wishing your opponent luck in no way contradicts your own ambitions to win.

Furthermore, on the issue of manners. It seems to me that the tendency to ignore manners due to the perceived hypocricy of it is mostly observed in the pre-pubescent population. Most of the time however, when these people grow up, they will realize that manners and other social constructs are more important than strictly speaking the truth in every possible occasion. It is also a common element within these same pre-pubescents to consider themselves a bit of "rebels", and calling everyone who doesn't agree with this view "sheeps".

Lastly, a real life analogy. Let's say your old grandmother that you love very much gives you a present on your birthday. Unfortunately the present is not that great in your opinion. However you love your grandmother very much and know that she is only trying her best to do something nice for you. She then asks what you think about the present. Will you tell her the truth and hurt her feelings, or will you lie and say that the present is awesome?

[Army of GOD]

I want them to simply have fair chances at winning the game. If, as I assume, that's all you want too, then why would you lie and say good luck?

I don't always say "good luck" (I'm lazy, what can I say?) but when I do I mean it. I want them to have the same amount of luck as me, so that it comes down to who the more skilled player is.

This is a contradiction. You either want them to have good (i.e. better than average) luck, as stated in your first sentence, or you want them to have average luck, as implied in your second sentence (alternatively, you might both have good rolls, but if you have the same amount of luck then your opponent's luck wasn't comparatively good).

I want them to have the same luck as me, and I personally want good luck.

Therefore, I want them to have good luck.

[Metsfanmax]

Metsfanmax, please stop trolling these people.

Not trolling. I firmly believe it is illogical, and therefore undesirable, to say things you know are lies.

Just to humour this contrived controversy a bit longer though...

Wishing someone to have good luck does not have an actual effect on the game. By wishing someone good luck, you are not implying that you wish their luck to be better than yours. By wishing good luck on your opponent, you are not even implying that you wish them to win. Wishing your opponent luck in no way contradicts your own ambitions to win.

Then it's a lie, and I won't stand for that. I think lies are simply wrong, and I do my best never to intentionally lie.

Furthermore, on the issue of manners. It seems to me that the tendency to ignore manners due to the perceived hypocricy of it is mostly observed in the pre-pubescent population. Most of the time however, when these people grow up, they will realize that manners and other social constructs are more important than strictly speaking the truth in every possible occasion. It is also a common element within these same pre-pubescents to consider themselves a bit of "rebels", and calling everyone who doesn't agree with this view "sheeps".

I'm not a rebel, I'm just not willing to do stupid things simply because other people do them. I don't say "bless you" when people sneeze, because I don't believe in God. If you think that makes me a rebel, good for you. Whatever you can do to rationalize your nonsensical actions. I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't have the courage to control their actions in such a way that they reflect their beliefs.

Lastly, a real life analogy. Let's say your old grandmother that you love very much gives you a present on your birthday. Unfortunately the present is not that great in your opinion. However you love your grandmother very much and know that she is only trying her best to do something nice for you. She then asks what you think about the present. Will you tell her the truth and hurt her feelings, or will you lie and say that the present is awesome?

I never intentionally lie, as stated above. If your point is that it is a lie, but it's good for society to have these lies, then just come out and say it, instead of making contrived arguments about the validity of the statement.

[natty dread]

You are so trolling now.

I never intentionally lie, as stated above. If your point is that it is a lie, but it's good for society to have these lies, then just come out and say it, instead of making contrived arguments about the validity of the statement.

Shame on you for hurting the feelings of your dear old grandmother.

[tdans]

No Shoes - No Shirt - No Problem ..................

[Army of GOD]

I firmly believe it is illogical.

Ok Woodruff.


It isn't illogical. Yea, if you don't say "gl" in this game, no one is gonna care. But if your girlfriend asks "Do I look fat?", you would say "yes"? How is that logical at all? "No, honey, you're not fat. You're morbidly obese."

[Metsfanmax]

You are so trolling now.

I never intentionally lie, as stated above. If your point is that it is a lie, but it's good for society to have these lies, then just come out and say it, instead of making contrived arguments about the validity of the statement.

Shame on you for hurting the feelings of your dear old grandmother.

I am not trolling. It's unfortunate that you choose to slander me rather than accept that I don't intentionally lie.

Also, I didn't say I don't have feelings. It's quite possible to respond to the lame gift in such a way that you don't lie, but don't hurt my grandmother's feelings. I've done it several times, as a result of the fact that I don't lie.

[tzor]

This isn't about how you would rather lose, it's about whether you'd rather lose or win. Saying "good luck" implies you'd like your opponent to have a good chance of winning. I do not think anyone wants their opponent to have good chances. If anything, they want their opponent to simply have fair chances (i.e. equal), in which case you should be saying "average luck!"

OK, I think we have terminology mismatching. Luck well above average is "great" to me. Average luck (and slightly above) is "good" and a lack of luck is "bad."

I generally think in D&D terms which use a D20, not d6.

Good luck is needing a 14 to hit and getting a 15.
Greeat luck is getting that 20, getting the critical hit and killing the monster in one blow.
Bad luck is getting that 1, impaling myself on my own weapon and watching the monster ROFL with my final breath.

So I really want "good" luck as it puts the opponent in a happy mood so he or she will rate me better when he looses.

[natty dread]

I am not trolling. It's unfortunate that you choose to slander me rather than accept that I don't intentionally lie.

Also, I didn't say I don't have feelings. It's quite possible to respond to the lame gift in such a way that you don't lie, but don't hurt my grandmother's feelings. I've done it several times, as a result of the fact that I don't lie.

It is also quite possible to wish your opponent good luck without lying.

The meaning of the phrase does not imply that you wish your opponent to win. It is more a shorter way of saying "I hope we both have fun and may the best man win". You can't take everything literally. Unless you're autistic (which I'm starting to think you might be...)

[Metsfanmax]

I am not trolling. It's unfortunate that you choose to slander me rather than accept that I don't intentionally lie.

Also, I didn't say I don't have feelings. It's quite possible to respond to the lame gift in such a way that you don't lie, but don't hurt my grandmother's feelings. I've done it several times, as a result of the fact that I don't lie.

It is also quite possible to wish your opponent good luck without lying.

The meaning of the phrase does not imply that you wish your opponent to win. It is more a shorter way of saying "I hope we both have fun and may the best man win". You can't take everything literally. Unless you're autistic (which I'm starting to think you might be...)

Nah, I'm gonna side with tzor on this one. When I see someone say "good luck," I think something more along the lines of "please accept this token comment in the hopes that it will make you feel better and therefore like me more."

If you can't even be bothered to type out "I hope we both have fun and may the best man win" in a game that you play, am I supposed to be convinced that you actually mean that?

[Army of GOD]

Don't be afraid to respond to what I said.