The Death Penalty

apey · Post by **apey** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:49 pm

Not only is it appropriate but it is needed we should actually start executing repeat child molesters

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:51 pm

apey wrote:Not only is it appropriate but it is needed we should actually start executing repeat child molesters

no teh [pedos have teh rights!!11

Neoteny · Post by **Neoteny** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:06 pm

In the style of Nappy, I'd like to add that abortion is both practical and economical!

Norse · Post by **Norse** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:08 pm

Neoteny wrote:In the style of Nappy, I'd like to add that abortion is both practical and economical!

Hear hear!

I'd even go as far as to say that abortion should be mandatory.

richardgarr · Post by **richardgarr** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:10 pm

Personally I believe the whole imprisonment system is flawed.
Take a lad who smokes pot or perhaps steals out of poverty and gets caught.
Both these crimes are fairly minor, in many cases the pothead is a harmless person who enjoys the habit. He is not hurting anyone and is certainly not dangerous to society. The person who steals to feed themselves or their family , does it due to need. Then there is the ever growing problem of the mentally ill being imprisoned for crimes that they have no understanding of. Instead of giving them help, we shut down the services that were there, and throw them in a cell.
Now you have 3 different people, all of which have committed minor crimes, yet we as a society chose to ignore the option of helping them, and throw them into an environment that is dangerous , demoralizing and savage on many levels. These 3 people are now exposed to violence , rape, drugs, isolation, abuse . 24hours a day, 7 day a week, for years at a time.
In order for these 3 individuals to survive , they must either adopt a violent and dangerous attitude themselves or else become another prison statistical death or even go insane as a result. When you release these prisoners , they are now traumatized and have a burden and punishment to carry for the rest of their lives. Few manage to actually reintegrate into society, many re offend and go right back into the system.
WE as a society think it is proper to mix cold blooded murders and rapists in with people who have been victimized by the system, when these formerly harmless offenders are exposed to years of abuse and torture, that is forced on them by the prison society, they themselves become savage and demented souls.
So you have turned a harmless pot smoker, a mentally ill patient, and a poor man, into real criminals. (if they survived the prison system alive)

I say if you are a repeat murderer and have spent so much of your life in prison , that living out in the world is not an option, you should not be allowed to live in a prison system , only to rape and kill at your leisure. I mean if the inmate is going to be incarcerated for 20-30 years, what does he care about human life and worth. DIE MF DIE!!

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:29 pm

Unfortunately the problem of actually being 100% sure someone is guilty never permits death penalty. Whatever the moral standpoint, we cam never be totally sure in our condemnation, and so risk taking an innocent life away. The introduction of DNA evidence in recent decades, which disproved many seemingly watertight convictions, is a good example. Who knows what we will develop in the future which will prove the dead innocent?

But the financial argument VI detailed earlier is also a bit crippling to those who are pro-death penalty. And Nappy's opinions are just getting more and more ridiculous by the day! Mass capital punishment to clear out the prisons? You want to be taken seriously in this debate? Come on, put some effort in...

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:01 pm

richardgarr wrote:
WE as a society think it is proper to mix cold blooded murders and rapists in with people who have been victimized by the system, when these formerly harmless offenders are exposed to years of abuse and torture, that is forced on them by the prison society, they themselves become savage and demented souls.

Actually, we don't think that's proper. Serious offenders are usually put in other parts of the prison.

DirtyDishSoap · Post by **DirtyDishSoap** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:09 pm

Beat me with a stick but im for it

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:10 pm

I'm against the death penalty, simply because it is not Man's place to judge who lives, who dies, and when.

That is God's domain, and we are wrong to stick our noses in it.

unriggable · Post by **unriggable** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:11 pm

Only the worst of crimes. I don't mean like homicide, I mean like multiple vehicular infanticide and cannibalism. I'm talking as unoften as possible.

Norse · Post by **Norse** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:12 pm

vtmarik wrote:I'm against the death penalty, simply because it is not Man's place to judge who lives, who dies, and when.

Like, say, an axe wielding maniac?

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:14 pm

Norse wrote:
vtmarik wrote:I'm against the death penalty, simply because it is not Man's place to judge who lives, who dies, and when.
Like, say, an axe wielding maniac?

It is not his role to kill anyone and not ours to kill him.

Neoteny · Post by **Neoteny** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:14 pm

Norse wrote:
vtmarik wrote:I'm against the death penalty, simply because it is not Man's place to judge who lives, who dies, and when.
Like, say, an axe wielding maniac?

That would be god, in many cases...

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:16 pm

Here's how it goes.

Life in prison should be the main option for horrific criminals. If it's likely they will hurt or kill other prisoners they should live in solitary. I think killing them just makes them feel like martyrs more then anything else.

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:16 pm

Hang on...you don't believe in God...yet you think he's an axe wielding maniac?

got tonkaed · Post by **got tonkaed** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:18 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:Hang on...you don't believe in God...yet you think he's an axe wielding maniac?

im pretty sure vt on some level believes in a concept of the divine.

Fieryo · Post by **Fieryo** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:19 pm

I don't see how it is the right of the state (I'm referring to specifically the American system here, based on our little Constitution) to take someone's life away. That has always boggled me.

Norse · Post by **Norse** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:20 pm

Nope.

You get the thumbs down from the Norse community on this one VTno-mark.

If a man commits this horrid of a crime, then he loses the right to a life.

got tonkaed · Post by **got tonkaed** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:21 pm

Norse wrote:Nope.

You get the thumbs down from the Norse community on this one VTno-mark.

If a man commits this horrid of a crime, then he loses the right to a life.

cant you take away someones right to life by locking them up and throwing away the key?

Norse · Post by **Norse** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:23 pm

got tonkaed wrote:
Norse wrote:Nope.

You get the thumbs down from the Norse community on this one VTno-mark.

If a man commits this horrid of a crime, then he loses the right to a life.
cant you take away someones right to life by locking them up and throwing away the key?

Weeeeell, some may argue that, but why should the economy of the land fork out 500 bucks a week to house this man, who's life has effectively ended by this?

got tonkaed · Post by **got tonkaed** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:24 pm

eh i value human life at 501. Im all for cutting the bitches up if inflation goes the way it is.

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:25 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:Hang on...you don't believe in God...yet you think he's an axe wielding maniac?

Neoteny says he's an axe murderer, but I disagree. God would just smite with his Smite-Ray.

I believe in God, I have no idea where you got the idea that I didn't.

God's first commandment to his children was "Thou shalt not kill" (translated also as "Thou Shalt Not Murder"). It applies to everyone. A murderer should not kill, and should not be killed by anyone. Murder is wrong, no matter what justification you may have. Sometimes doing the wrong thing for the right reason (i.e. killing in self-defense) has to be done , I know. I accept the idea of mitigating circumstances, but if there is an alternative we must take it.

If we are truly civilized, we can find another road.

Norse wrote:Nope.

You get the thumbs down from the Norse community on this one VTno-mark.

If a man commits this horrid of a crime, then he loses the right to a life.

The right to live does not come from a law book. No one ever loses that right, it comes from God. It is not the place of the State to determine who should live and who should die.

Neoteny · Post by **Neoteny** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:26 pm

vtmarik wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:Hang on...you don't believe in God...yet you think he's an axe wielding maniac?
Neoteny says he's an axe murderer, but I disagree. God would just smite with his Smite-Ray.

I believe in God, I have no idea where you got the idea that I didn't.

God's first commandment to his children was "Thou shalt not kill" (translated also as "Thou Shalt Not Murder"). It applies to everyone. A murderer should not kill, and should not be killed by anyone. Murder is wrong, no matter what justification you may have. Sometimes doing the wrong thing for the right reason (i.e. killing in self-defense) has to be done , I know. I accept the idea of mitigating circumstances, but if there is an alternative we must take it.

If we are truly civilized, we can find another road.

I wonder if he was referring to me... I think gods with brute force are more effective than your god of the beam...

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:28 pm

Neoteny wrote:I wonder if he was referring to me... I think gods with brute force are more effective than your god of the beam...

Well, I'm sure he has an Axe of Smiting and a Hammer of Smiting, but I'm trying to be futuristic here.

Neoteny · Post by **Neoteny** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:29 pm

vtmarik wrote:
Neoteny wrote:I wonder if he was referring to me... I think gods with brute force are more effective than your god of the beam...
Well, I'm sure he has an Axe of Smiting and a Hammer of Smiting, but I'm trying to be futuristic here.

Axe of smiting... nice ring to that one...

The Death Penalty

Should the death penalty be banned?