The Koran - Can Any Non-Arabs Make Sense of This Shite?

[Frigidus]

Yup, everyone's got it about right. The big problem with Islam (and one of the major reasons the terrorists are doing what they are doing) is that a literal reading of the Koran requires governments to rule through sharia law. Freedom of religion doesn't mesh with the extremists.

[heavycola]

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only because this thread isn't locked yet and you know it will be.

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I believe you mean N3 should be linked to E1 which is linked to E2-7.
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[Gregrios]

I've read about 50% of the Koran and have found two major discrepancies with the Holy Bible. One being on the topic of Jesus and the cross. According to the Koran, it appeared as if Jesus was crucified, but actually wasn't. The second one however is more convincing than the first(for me anyway). Mohammad goes on to describe some of the physical features of the anti-christ to come. The problem with this however is according to Jesus the head of prophecy was cut off with John of revelations. The head of prophecy being visions of the future inspired by God himself. Considering Mohammad's life came after that of John of revelations, this comes in direct conflict with what Jesus said. This mainly being the reason why I only read 50% of the Koran.

[Frigidus]

I've read about 50% of the Koran and have found two major discrepancies with the Holy Bible. One being on the topic of Jesus and the cross. According to the Koran, it appeared as if Jesus was crucified, but actually wasn't. The second one however is more convincing than the first(for me anyway). Mohammad goes on to describe some of the physical features of the anti-christ to come. The problem with this however is according to Jesus the head of prophecy was cut off with John of revelations. The head of prophecy being visions of the future inspired by God himself. Considering Mohammad's life came after that of John of revelations, this comes in direct conflict with what Jesus said. This mainly being the reason why I only read 50% of the Koran.

Well, of course they don't go together nicely, silly, otherwise there wouldn't be any problems.

[pimpdave]

Good synopsis of Islam and Judaeism, but way off on the Christianity, unless you throw out the Bible and go with the traditions of the organized Christian church.

Jesus said "my kingdom is not of this world", therefore those professing to follow Him are hypocrites if they try to in any way seize power in this world, or force their way on others. The "Christian extreme" would, if following the scriptures, be a monastic existence where one would shun violence of any kind, and live a life of self denial.

Yup, you're absolutely right. I was referring more to the organized church and the abuses of power throughout it's history.

So I was getting a bit tangential, and I appreciate your correction, because the OP was about interpreting the text in question, not about how the established religions function.

It never ceases to amaze me how super self-righteous Christians will go on and on about how much they love Jesus and his teachings, then proceed to ignorantly hate so many things that are just different from themselves. The way that Arab has become synonymous with Muslim has become synonymous with terrorist.

That whole love thy enemies part just doesn't get enough cred, it seems.

[Gregrios]

I've read about 50% of the Koran and have found two major discrepancies with the Holy Bible. One being on the topic of Jesus and the cross. According to the Koran, it appeared as if Jesus was crucified, but actually wasn't. The second one however is more convincing than the first(for me anyway). Mohammad goes on to describe some of the physical features of the anti-christ to come. The problem with this however is according to Jesus the head of prophecy was cut off with John of revelations. The head of prophecy being visions of the future inspired by God himself. Considering Mohammad's life came after that of John of revelations, this comes in direct conflict with what Jesus said. This mainly being the reason why I only read 50% of the Koran.

Well, of course they don't go together nicely, silly, otherwise there wouldn't be any problems.

True, but I still had to find out for myself.

[Ntetos]

The way that Arab has become synonymous with Muslim has become synonymous with terrorist.

How can Arab be synonymous to Muslim? There are millions of non-Muslim Arabs and millions of non-Arab Muslims. Hating Muslims who want to enforce Islam to everyone is not a problem but hating Arabs is just racist. Islam as a way of how a state should be ruled with the Koran instead of a constitution is really dangerous. In my opinion, Koran was a progressive book for the 6th century but the conditions have totally changed after 1500 years. If it is worshipped by its believers peacefully it is just another religion which says stupid things, like all religions.

[Neoteny]

The way that Arab has become synonymous with Muslim has become synonymous with terrorist.

How can Arab be synonymous to Muslim? There are millions of non-Muslim Arabs and millions of non-Arab Muslims. Hating Muslims who want to enforce Islam to everyone is not a problem but hating Arabs is just racist. Islam as a way of how a state should be ruled with the Koran instead of a constitution is really dangerous. In my opinion, Koran was a progressive book for the 6th century but the conditions have totally changed after 1500 years. If it is worshipped by its believers peacefully it is just another religion which says stupid things, like all religions.

I think dave is reflecting on much of the ignorance surrounding Islam and Arabia. Hell, the whole Middle East is a big question mark for some folks.

[b.k. barunt]

Like i said before, you can't even be a citizen of at least half of the middle eastern countries if you're not muslim. "Millions of non Muslim arabs"? Maybe if you classify the Israelis as arabs, otherwise i think that's a bit exaggerated. Other than Lebanon, which has a few arab Christians, where are all these millions of non Muslim arabs?

[pimpdave]

where are all these millions of non Muslim arabs?

Well, how many Arabs live in the USA, for example? Of that number, how many are Muslim? I'm sure census data is readily available online, but I don't care enough to look it up.

I would have to assume they'd all be either in non Muslim nations or they go through the motions to satisfy the state, but don't really drink the kool aid.

[jbrettlip]

Can we get back to the TOPIC....are there muslims on CC and if not, why. Please add to my list.

[pimpdave]

Can we get back to the TOPIC....are there muslims on CC and if not, why. Please add to my list.

I think you're confusing this thread with one that you created but didn't.

[Gregrios]

Can we get back to the TOPIC....are there muslims on CC and if not, why. Please add to my list.

I once played a game with a guy from Iran but I don't know if he was Muslim.

[jbrettlip]

Evidently you can't be a citizen of most arab countries if you're non-muslim, which would make this an even more repressive religion than Catholicism. Don't we have any devout (or even nominal) Muslims here who might defend their beliefs? I have to say, after reading the Koran, it strikes me as a fooking comic book without the pictures. At least give us some pictures.


Honibaz

\Sorry PImpdave, you are correct...I was responding to the 3rd post in the thread.

[b.k. barunt]

Can we get back to the TOPIC....are there muslims on CC and if not, why. Please add to my list.

8. They would have to deadbeat on holy days.
9. They can only fight in groups.
10. Their main weapon (suicide bombing) hasn't been introduced here yet.
11. There are Israelis here, and they can't handle the ignominy of losing to them.
12. That barunt guy would call them Wogs.

[joecoolfrog]

I have a Sunni Muslim friend who sometimes bores me with wisdom from the Koran but she has big tits and gives a good BJ, in the past Christian,Hindu,Jewish and Budhist friends have behaved in a similar fashion. I know men of religion that behave in a saintly manner and others who are selfish bastards, Muslims who are alcoholics and Christians who screw around, the one thing they all have in common is that they are all individual.
The my country is better than your country,my colour better than your colour,my religion better than your religion stuff says 2 things to me. Firstly that there are an awful lot of insecure people on this planet and secondly that the human race does not appear to be getting any more enlightened. Is it not time to throw away 1500-3000 year old self help manuals and to start acting with a little more tolerance towards those that are different from us, variety is the spice of life I am led to understand.

[Ntetos]

Like i said before, you can't even be a citizen of at least half of the middle eastern countries if you're not muslim. "Millions of non Muslim arabs"? Maybe if you classify the Israelis as arabs, otherwise i think that's a bit exaggerated. Other than Lebanon, which has a few arab Christians, where are all these millions of non Muslim arabs?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Christians

[jbrettlip]

13. Hard to play speed games when you have to stop every 20 minutes to pray to Mecca
14. The higher ranks have a crown avatar as opposed to a turban.
15. Too busy supporting their buddy, Barrack Hussein Obama.
16. No internet access at Guatanamo.

[Ntetos]

17. The majority of them are too poor to have access to a computer.
18. The others are too busy spending the millions they earn from oil.