PERMABANS (though you did not know it!)

[Woodruff]

When people make a multi or point dumb, they are violating the Rules Page

Ah yes. The mystical point dumb

Looking at my rank, I'm pretty sure I'm point dumb. <laughing>

[Night Strike]

and they are clearly not enforced. i for one am tired of being called horrible racist names and dealing with innuendo (like above with the Nshooter), and having to wade through racism across the forums. i'm sure the mods/admins are tired of my complaints and pointing out how little they do to curb it. so imagine how tired i am of being called the same derogatory racist terms within the forums and game chat and seeing next to nothing done about it.-0

p.s.-thank goodness they are cleaning CC up...

"Horrible racist names" are dealt with; sorry they don't get an immediate ban from the site as you would wish. I'm pretty sure innuendo is not banned in the guidelines, so just put those people on your foe list if you don't like their comments but the moderators say they are within the guidelines. And yes, we do get tired of reading your reports when we frequently find a warning/ban unwarranted.

When the guidelines say something "will not be tolerated", that doesn't mean the person is automatically kicked off the site. It's not tolerating something when the person gets warned and edited for it.

Stop the racism on this site. This is the #1 reason I am possibly not re upping my premium. And this from someone who bought another user premium a month ago.

This is a family friendly site. Racism should start with a 3 day ban.

If you want racism to be stopped, report the posts that are actually racist and move on. There's no reason to keep posting about it. It's just like when dealing with a troll: when you ignore them, they move on. There is no justification for an automatic 3 day ban for racist comments; the warning/ban system takes care of the problems in a fair manner.

EDIT: Fixed my "point dumb" typo.

[Woodruff]

I take Mr. shooter with a big grain of salt and know

wow... really? in a thread about racism i get called shooter? i'm SURE it's just a typo... i'll post on all of this later, out of fear of getting this thread locked...-0

The other funny thing owen does is flip out like this. Comedy gold mine. I can't believe anyone would take this seriously.

I strongly suspect that if Owen didn't have to put up with it on a reasonably consistent basis around here, he WOULDN'T "flip out like this". Frankly, your post was an albeit minor but very good example of what we're discussing, and not in a positive light. You want your racist point to not be taken seriously...just like any racist would like when they face sanctions for it (I'm not saying you're a racist, but I am saying that my statement would apply to someone who was just as well).

[Kotaro]

Maybe you should all just chillax. Go get blown or something, this game really isn't worth half this "outrageous anger".

Racism? On teh internetz? I SMELL LIEZ!

[Woodruff]

Don't ban Owen because he doesn't like being called the N-word. Most black people don't. Mormonism is a made up cult, but if I said that, I would get in trouble. Unless you stop reading and place me on ignore.

owen was banned because he was called the n-word?? i dont think thats what happened is it?

I don't know any of the details, but because I'm an opinionated guy who likes to pull stuff out of his ass, here's my guess as to what happened:

1) Someone called Owen a nigger.
2) Owen responded to that statement either by bashing on a moderator over it or responding in his typically "overboard because he's sick of it" persona.
3) Owen was thumped by a moderator for HIS actions in response to what he was called, but not because of what he called.

But that's all backed by zero facts, so take it for what you will. <chuckle>

[Woodruff]

I did a comprehensive search and I can find nowhere that explains the term "nshooter" as being racist, owenshooter. Therefore, I don't believe you.

sigh.. just shaking my head.. ever hear of the N-word? then he calls me Nshooter, leaving out 3 letters of my username in some mega typo... sigh...

i'm going to let some other people comment in here, because this is not about me. this is about the ever increasing tolerance for racism on this site, despite what has been said by mods/admins. telling someone to simply stop reading something they find racist and offensive and to move on is not a solution. great thread jiminski, i hope it lasts...-0

Honestly, I do believe that the tolerance for racism on this site is getting LESS, not more. I understand I don't have the same perspective as you do, but I thought it was worth mentioning. It's still not where it needs to be, but again...that's just my opinion.

[Kotaro]

I don't know any of the details, but because I'm an opinionated guy who likes to pull stuff out of his ass, here's my guess as to what happened:

1) Someone called Owen a nigger.
2) Owen responded to that statement either by bashing on a moderator over it or responding in his typically "overboard because he's sick of it" persona.
3) Owen was thumped by a moderator for HIS actions in response to what he was called, but not because of what he called.

But that's all backed by zero facts, so take it for what you will. <chuckle>

Originally, he was banned for baiting for.. a few days? A week? .. in the game where he was called the racial slur. After that, he trolled every thread, saying the admin was biased (several good suggestion threads were locked because of his trolling). Eventually, after several warnings, he was banned for a month.

[owenshooter]

This is a family friendly site. Racism should start with a 3 day ban.

I agree entirely. The people running this site say that racism and bigotry are not tolerated, but then tolerate it all over the place.

Just last night, a user started a blatantly racist, and bigoted thread in the off-topics forum. In one respect, it was dealt with well. The thread was locked, and edited almost immediately. I suspected the user would be given, at least a short ban, given the intention and severity of the bigotry, but that user was still listed in "Registered Users" (not on a ban). So then, I figured that he was given a stern warning for a "first offense", (which I personally think is far too lenient, but that's beside the point). Only when I took a quick look at the poster's history, did I realize that this particular person seems to be absolutely full of hate towards a particular ethnic group. He had only made 14 posts in his CC career, and no fewer than FOUR of them were openly bigoted. Four, out of fourteen! And these are not all from the last day or two. These four posts, span over months, and months. Why is it that only now, this guy MIGHT (as I don't know for sure) be getting his first warning?

This is just one example of MANY. And that's without even getting into any situation that Owen has been involved in.

Here is (just part) of my view of the Owen situation. He is not the type of guy to take things lying down. Especially when it comes to people trying to degrade him for the colour of his skin. It started with him being called derogatory names. It escalated when Owen tried to get CC to put a stop to it. Certain users saw that there was tolerance happening, and knew that they could use that to their advantage, by consistently baiting him with "soft", and/or thinly-veiled racist comments. Of course, he responded exactly as anyone would have guessed. He was furious. From what I can tell, he wasn't so angry at the people baiting him, as he was at CC for allowing it to happen, all while claiming to not tolerate racism, or bigotry. And what happened? Owen got a month-long ban for "not letting it go". Don't claim to "not tolerate" something, and then turn around and tell people to "let it go", when it continues to happen.

It is my opinion that if this site is going to continue saying that it doesn't tolerate bigotry, it should back that up with real action. It seems that it is treated as the same level of no-no, as spamming, trolling, and flaming, which are frustrating, but I think the powers that be don't really realize that racism causes REAL HURT. It is not simply another form of flaming. It has a much more profound effect on the victims.

If CC were the only place racism ever occurred, it would likely be an entirely different story, but it is something that is grounded in real life for EVERY SINGLE ONE of it's victims. It is not simply calling someone stupid, or bad at a game. It is attacking them for WHO THEY ARE.

Please ConquerClub. I beg of you. Back up your words with real action. Don't let bigots and racists have a haven here.

yeah... that is beyond perfect...-0

[Woodruff]

Maybe you should all just chillax. Go get blown or something, this game really isn't worth half this "outrageous anger".
Racism? On teh internetz? I SMELL LIEZ!

Some subjects simply do not deserve to be treated by "chilling". Racism is absolutely one of these, whether it is overt or covert.

[Woodruff]

I don't know any of the details, but because I'm an opinionated guy who likes to pull stuff out of his ass, here's my guess as to what happened:

1) Someone called Owen a nigger.
2) Owen responded to that statement either by bashing on a moderator over it or responding in his typically "overboard because he's sick of it" persona.
3) Owen was thumped by a moderator for HIS actions in response to what he was called, but not because of what he called.

But that's all backed by zero facts, so take it for what you will. <chuckle>

Originally, he was banned for baiting for.. a few days? A week? .. in the game where he was called the racial slur. After that, he trolled every thread, saying the admin was biased (several good suggestion threads were locked because of his trolling). Eventually, after several warnings, he was banned for a month.

Mine's more fun, blast you! <laughing>

Thanks for the actual info.

[a.sub]

Maybe you should all just chillax. Go get blown or something, this game really isn't worth half this "outrageous anger".
Racism? On teh internetz? I SMELL LIEZ!

Some subjects simply do not deserve to be treated by "chilling". Racism is absolutely one of these, whether it is overt or covert.

i agree with the turn the other cheek method however a mod should not as i turn the other cheek assuming someone else will deal with the problem, especially since it is hypothetically their obligation to do so (yes i realize they are volunteers)

[Kotaro]

If you think you're going to run around the internet battling racism, be my guest. I'll get a good laugh.

[Woodruff]

If you think you're going to run around the internet battling racism, be my guest. I'll get a good laugh.

Laugh all you want. I've devoted my entire adult life to defending the principles within our Constitution, and I'm not about to stop just because it may have less real effect than my actual occupation did/does. Small improvements are still improvements.

[sam_levi_11]

The rules of the site also state homophobia yet i have given evidence before, with witnesses, of homophobia (im bisexual) and nothing was done. Dont think it will be any different soon. Fact is its the internet, people will take up the last assholes position.

[owenshooter]

The rules of the site also state homophobia yet i have given evidence before, with witnesses, of homophobia (im bisexual) and nothing was done. Dont think it will be any different soon. Fact is its the internet, people will take up the last assholes position.

Subject: Community Guidelines

• In no circumstances is bigotry allowed.
  • Bigotry includes racism, aggressive homophobia, religion bashing or wishing violence on any minority group.
  • Bigotry takes into account historic events, emotional baggage and generally accepted associations with a term, phrase or intent - posting "White Power" in a thread has a history and is bigoted, posting "Green Power" makes you an environmentalist.

yep, that's in there too... shocker, another person that feels nothing was done when he was harassed, according to the guidelines, despite them stating "IN NO CIRCUMSTANCES IS BIGOTRY ALLOWED"... sorry to hear it sam... hopefully the wonderful team here will realize that we aren't looking for CHANGE, we are simply looking for ENFORCEMENT...-0

[ronsizzle]

[jiminski]

The rules of the site also state homophobia yet i have given evidence before, with witnesses, of homophobia (im bisexual) and nothing was done. Dont think it will be any different soon. Fact is its the internet, people will take up the last assholes position.

Though other than bisexuality being a little greedy, (i am a strong advocate of greed ) i know precisely what you mean. homophobia is pretty much accepted or at least something way down the pecking order of crimes it seems. i am sure its rebuke has far less general sympathy than even anti-racism seems to have.

[Simon Viavant]

Lol, "nshooter"? Seriously? How do you slip up and type nshooter instead of owenshooter? Damn racist pig.

I didn't even know owenshooter was black until now. I highly doubt he is the only black person on this site, perhaps he is just the only known one.

Anyways, we don't know whether owenshooter is joking or not, it might seem obvious to some that he is joking, but for now until proven otherwise we need to take him serious.

I vote that pimpdave be banned for at least a week for his "slip up" which he never even apologized for as a slip up. I personally see that as being a racist remark, from an unbiased stand point.

Except he isn't a racist, he was just trying to rile owen up for entertainment purposes.

[Woodruff]

Lol, "nshooter"? Seriously? How do you slip up and type nshooter instead of owenshooter? Damn racist pig.

I didn't even know owenshooter was black until now. I highly doubt he is the only black person on this site, perhaps he is just the only known one.

Anyways, we don't know whether owenshooter is joking or not, it might seem obvious to some that he is joking, but for now until proven otherwise we need to take him serious.

I vote that pimpdave be banned for at least a week for his "slip up" which he never even apologized for as a slip up. I personally see that as being a racist remark, from an unbiased stand point.

Except he isn't a racist, he was just trying to rile owen up for entertainment purposes.

I'm quite certain you're right about that. And yet, perception DOES create reality sometimes.

[owenshooter]

Except he isn't a racist, he was just trying to rile owen up for entertainment purposes.

he made a racist comment, it is racist period. i would gather that makes him racist. there are not degrees of racism. and a person that isn't racist, isn't going to openly do something like he did. let me guess, his best friend "is black" or he "runs golf tournaments for poor black kids to help them raise money for school or whatever." doesn't wash. a racist post in a thread about racist, and per the norm it is deemed not racist, not a big deal and i should just let it go. wow, that makes 5 racist comments this week that i have had to let go. team CC obviously is clueless as to the pain that is caused by these casual comments, based upon a persons race, creed or sexual orientation. i suggest they all go back and read the post made by timminz...-0

[4myGod]

I did a comprehensive search and I can find nowhere that explains the term "nshooter" as being racist, owenshooter. Therefore, I don't believe you.

Here is what I got out of that... "'nshooter' isn't in a list of racist terms, there for deal with it."

Many others have understood and seen how this is racist, yet he ignorantly does not understand? Or perhaps he does and is just ignoring it? His name on here has color, which says to me he has some sort of role in CC and there for is representing CC. If I had a volunteer or hired employee working for me who had that kind of mentality he would be released. NUDGE NUDGE WINK WINK.

I have never seen this part of CC, but wow what a huge problem I can see it to be.

When it comes to blatant racism there shouldn't be a warning, it should be straight to ban.

What punishment is pimpdave getting? Any? Just an edited post and 'don't do that again'?

Whether I really think blacks are less than whites or not, if I go around saying "n*** n*** n***" I should be punished, even if I hide it in slick ways by just saying "nshooter", it should be punished. People aren't getting punished for thinking certain ethnic groups are less than others, they are getting punished for saying things that might/do offend other users.

[Artimis]

Jim, I realise you want a rational debate on the subject of the perception of Racism in CC and to gage the opinions of the forum regulars, however it has already been hijacked by the hell-bent-on-thread-derailment prodigious trolls of CC(no doubt you expected some of this).

From what I've seen in my 6 months here, racism is dealt with swiftly and the punishment is proportionate to the offence. I don't much care for the those who constantly play the victim to perpetuate an issue and keep it fresh in the minds of as many people as possible, for me it detracts from the good work the mods and admins do when dealing with issues of bigotry.

The racist are losing the argument anyway as the lines of distinction between the different races of humanity blur, which IMHO can only be a good thing.

[ronsizzle]

I don't much care for the those who constantly play the victim to perpetuate an issue and keep it fresh in the minds of as many people as possible, for me it detracts from the good work the mods and admins do when dealing with issues of bigotry.

wow. a voice of reason.

i cant even argue this with you guys. you are making this site a joke. as a kid i was taught to not let things bother me. that i was the only person that could ruin my day. no matter what anybody else said, i knew who i was. f*ck 'em. that is still my motto.

you have 1! yes one. uno. 1 group of people that are raising an issue out of this when there shouldnt even be one. racism isnt all over this site. there is a slip up here or there, or an ignorant person making a comment here and there.

you guys act like you have never had racist shit to deal with in life. i went to a school that was 50/50 white/black.
i am from the fucking hood. i have sold drugs for the majority of my life. a large/very large percentage of my friends are black, but yet, even when they hear the word from someone they dont know, they dont flip out like all of you are, and run around screaming racism.

you guys are making this site intolerable because you are trying to restrict what everyone says. if this is turning into a family site. then get rid of the word "f*ck", and every other word that is considered a "curse" word. dont just stop with the word "nigger". get rid of "cracker", "jew", "homo", "douchebag", "cunt", "dickhead", and whatever other word you can think of that is derogatory.

LET THIS GO! IF YOU SEE SOMEONE CONTINUALLY USE RACIST SLURS, THEN YOU HAVE A PROBLEM. and maybe a case. but as you read this thread, i see that someone wrote "if he said one thing that is racist, it means they are a racist". YOU ARE DEAD WRONG! i call my gay friends "fags" all the time. but it is said in jest. and sometimes people say things they dont mean.

ALL OF YOU NEED TO RELAX.

[owenshooter]

From what I've seen in my 6 months here, racism is dealt with swiftly and the punishment is proportionate to the offence.

wonderful... so, as a person of colour or whichever minority you belong to, how many times have you been called something racist and/or derogatory and had swift and sufficient action from the mods? i was just called "nshooter" within this very thread about racism on CC, and had an admin was unable to figure out how or why that was even racist. i find it patently amusing that someone NOT of colour can comment on how sufficiently the racism within this site is dealt with, when they have never had to deal with it in their life...-0

p.s.-go back and read timminz post... maybe you'll understand what is going on...
p.p.s.-funny, i am trying to perpetuate something that is a constant on CC? it has been open season on me for over 3 months with racist comments, and nothing has been done to any of the offenders. to be banned for using certain language, and then to return using the same language, proves the offending member should be given a longer ban or perma-ban. this is not one incident being rehashed. these are continual and separate incidents that i must deal with.

[prizzy]

Im not a Racist... My presidents black!