Counter-Terrorism Mafia MAFIA WIN! LSU AND SPIESR KILLED!

[Hologram]

MUQTADA AL STROOP KILLED IN HOUSE ROBBERY

Last night at 3 am local law enforcement responded to a call about a possible robbery in the north side of town. When police arrived, the apparent burglar had been long gone, but inside they found a man killed by gunshot. Further search of the house revealed many suspicious items, such as bomb-making materials, chemical labs, weapons plans, and even a small improvised mosque, leading law enforcement to believe that the man's house had been the center for recent terrorist activities. The whereabouts and identities of the remaining terrorists remain unknown, however dental records of the murdered man suggest that he is the infamous Muqtada al Stroop.


Stroop (Terrorist Leader) killed!


DAY 3 STARTS NOW! WITH 6 ALIVE IT'S 4 TO LYNCH!

[spiesr]

Okay LSU, fess up, your the only unknown left besides myself.

Also, Suspect why did you steal my vote?

[spiesr]

With the role blocker dead and the commuter supposedly not being able to commute then why was a mafia member the only person who died?
Did they not send in a kill? If so who was inactive?

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Vote Sam I am an FBI informant. It functioned basically as a watcher role. 2 nights ago, I saw Stroop visit Sam. With no one dead, I thought he was just a doctor protecting the mayor. Seeing how Stroop was actually the terrorist leader and people not dying at night, I'm assuming that the "scum" in this case function as a cult. Last night I watched Sam again, hoping to see if anyone would visit and have any evidence turn up. Nothing happened since evidently Sam was turned to scum. I must congratulate Sam on playing his role of scum almost perfectly especially with the situation regarding JND. He just had the bad luck of having his scum leader die.

[Suspect101]

Okay LSU, fess up, your the only unknown left besides myself.

Also, Suspect why did you steal my vote?

Because you wanted me to steal Falko's who is almost guaranteed town, which is pretty scummy.

vote sam in light of LSU's evidence.

[Suspect101]

Also, you call for everyone's claim, but you have not. What are you speiser?

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Furthermore, I would like to point out that if I'm wrong on this Suspect can take my vote during the night. Let's win this townies and lynch the terrorist.

[spiesr]

Also, you call for everyone's claim, but you have not. What are you speiser?

You guys really want me to claim? Fine, I am the vig. I killed stroop last night.

Well LSU, your theory would explain why the mafia hasn't killed anyone yet...

[sam_levi_11]

Vote Sam I am an FBI informant. It functioned basically as a watcher role. 2 nights ago, I saw Stroop visit Sam. With no one dead, I thought he was just a doctor protecting the mayor. Seeing how Stroop was actually the terrorist leader and people not dying at night, I'm assuming that the "scum" in this case function as a cult. Last night I watched Sam again, hoping to see if anyone would visit and have any evidence turn up. Nothing happened since evidently Sam was turned to scum. I must congratulate Sam on playing his role of scum almost perfectly especially with the situation regarding JND. He just had the bad luck of having his scum leader die.

With that praise i wish i WAS scum. Alas im not. First night i was not visited by anyone that i know of, so JND must have role blocked stroop. This is why i was not visited last night. I really am the governor. Think about it, no one else has claimed governor in stead of me, and we know there is one. Along with this only spiesr is unknown and he hasnt claimed governor. So therefor i know one of you is scum. Thinking about it, we can afford to lynch you both in succesion. I dont know what i can do to prove my innocence, you either beleive lsu's idiotic thinking, or my reasoning.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

There is nothing stopping the governor from being recruited by the scum and still having their power.

[spiesr]

Sam, he is not saying you are not the governor, but hat you were recruited into the terrorist group on night 1. Also, if stroop was role blocked (which he wasn't because jnd blocked flakomango) a watcher would not detect him visiting you. All in all, your reasoning isn't that good...

[Suspect101]

There is nothing stopping the governor from being recruited by the scum and still having their power.

True, if this is so, then it is true for all of us, unless someone has unrecruitable powers, which no one has claimed.

Speiser, you were calling for everyone's claim and did not claim yourself, plus you asked me to take a almost certain towns vote. If you would have claimed before the night, I would not have taken your vote. You seem town to me, for now. if you were scum and claimed to kill Stroop I think you would have been outted by the real killer. Ofcourse not everyone has posted, so you are not clear yet.

[Suspect101]

There is nothing stopping the governor from being recruited by the scum and still having their power.

This could also be why Sam did not save JND. You would think that with powers to pardon, you would pardon everyone unless the investigaor gotten a certain scum read on a player. With this setup, you would almost always want to Pardon, unless it is certain, or unless you are scum and know the player is town.

[Simon Viavant]

Ok, let's look through the list
Suspect - confirmed politician - Town
Falko - quoted pm - Town
Sam - confirmed governor - Probably town but could've been converted
spiesr - claimed vig, no one counter claimed, so it's pretty safe to say he's Town

For now let's leave Sam for a while since in a ten person game, there's probably going to be three mafia.
That leaves:
LSU,
Who's been lurking before and has voted with some of the petty bandwagons in the past.
Plus no reasonable governor would've stopped the jnd lynch, remember the rest of us were also fooled there.
So, vote LSU

[spiesr]

With this setup, you would almost always want to Pardon, unless it is certain, or unless you are scum and know the player is town.

Err, no. Since it appears the terrorists have recruiting powers a no lynch would be really bad. As every night you dawdle the terrorists gain another member. Also, there is no investigator.

They way I see it there were probably only 2 terrorists to start with. The leader and the other. But 2 townspeople have been recruited to the terrorist side. Sam night 1 and someone else night 2. Unfortunately, we have no idea who was recruited night 2 and everyone is a suspect. All the people who were formerly confirmed to be town could have been recruited last night.

But, the best way forward seems to be going after Sam today. At least with their leader gone they shouldn't be able to recruit anyone else. I wonder though, does every new recruit gain the "terrorist" ability of sacrificing themselves to kill someone during day? Sam, when you were recruited did you gain this power?

[Suspect101]

With this setup, you would almost always want to Pardon, unless it is certain, or unless you are scum and know the player is town.

Err, no. Since it appears the terrorists have recruiting powers a no lynch would be really bad. As every night you dawdle the terrorists gain another member. Also, there is no investigator.

True I did not think about this.

[Simon Viavant]

With this setup, you would almost always want to Pardon, unless it is certain, or unless you are scum and know the player is town.

Err, no. Since it appears the terrorists have recruiting powers a no lynch would be really bad. As every night you dawdle the terrorists gain another member. Also, there is no investigator.

They way I see it there were probably only 2 terrorists to start with. The leader and the other. But 2 townspeople have been recruited to the terrorist side. Sam night 1 and someone else night 2. Unfortunately, we have no idea who was recruited night 2 and everyone is a suspect. All the people who were formerly confirmed to be town could have been recruited last night.

But, the best way forward seems to be going after Sam today. At least with their leader gone they shouldn't be able to recruit anyone else. I wonder though, does every new recruit gain the "terrorist" ability of sacrificing themselves to kill someone during day? Sam, when you were recruited did you gain this power?

We have no proof that it's cult-like and they can actually recruit, that's just a suspicion. Sam may or may not be scum now.
LSU probably is. In my book, the safest thing to do is lynch LSU.
BTW suspect who'd you take a vote from?

[Simon Viavant]

Never mind I saw you stole spiesr's.
(Who is scum if LSU isn't)

[Suspect101]

Never mind I saw you stole spiesr's.
(Who is scum if LSU isn't)

I do not think Spiesr is scum, and will continue to think this way because no one has yet to countered his kill.

I do not see this game with out an inspector, which is why I think LSU is telling the truth.

I say we lynch sam, and if he is town, speiser can kill LSU tonight.

[spiesr]

That is how I would like you to cast my vote yes.

[Falkomagno]

But, i think that the Vig claim is not clear. I mean, even if vig kill the mafia leader, the mafia could vote in night , and tried to kill a townie. I think that, at leats the conmuter has some impliecation in that, the vig claim is fake

[Suspect101]

But, i think that the Vig claim is not clear. I mean, even if vig kill the mafia leader, the mafia could vote in night , and tried to kill a townie. I think that, at leats the conmuter has some impliecation in that, the vig claim is fake

Wait so you think that speiser is scum?

Also, we will lose townies, the key is to get all the scum before we they out number us. Some of us must be willing to die for the cause. I do not think that the mafia has very much power anymore. With the leader dead I doubt they can kill or, possibly "recruit" ,as LSU claim they did. With no one dieng at night, LSU's claim makes sense.

Either LSU is lying or Sam and Speiser are lying.

If we lynch Sam, and he is town, speiser kills LSU at night, we win.
If we lynch Sam, and he is scum, we win.

I think this is a pretty solid victory, unless there is another scum or a serial killer, which I doubt.

[Simon Viavant]

Who came up with the "mafia can recruit" theory, anyway?
Is there any evidence to back it up?
Mafia can always kill, I think, unless it's a cult game.
But two nights in a row without any dead townies is a bit suspicious, so it could be true.

What I do know is that mafia can always do something at night, if there's any of them left.
I'm still a bit suspicious of spiesr but there's most likely a vig so he's probably legit, which leaves LSU.

The thing that's wrong with suspect's solution is that mafia could recruit, so if we got the wrong person, spiesr could kill the other at night, but there'd be a new mafia there in the morning.
Plus, if mafia have the recruit ability there would be two of them left, since they presumably got someone both nights. (There would be nothing stopping them, since jnd's block was wasted on falko and my commuting only stops me from being killed.)
So, my vote stays on LSU.

[spiesr]

I currently believe that this is a cult game.
Well, generally the recruiting power belongs the the leader only. Stroop was the leader. So they shouldn't have the ability to recruit any more. While the mafia also has the power to do something at night, this wouldn't have to hold true for a cult. But in theory if they recruited anybody with night powers they could use those. The way I see it, there are most likely 2 terrorist members left. With Stroop (the leader) dead they shouldn't be able to gain any more. So they should just have the night 1 (Sam?) and 2 (???) recruits.

But, i think that the Vig claim is not clear. I mean, even if vig kill the mafia leader, the mafia could vote in night , and tried to kill a townie. I think that, at leats the conmuter has some impliecation in that, the vig claim is fake

Unless of course they are actually a cult and don't have night killing powers. (This would explain why they haven't killed anyone yet.)

[Simon Viavant]

Okay, now this is throwing everyone into doubt.
Let's say this is true, here's how I see it:
spiesr - probably not converted but could be
lsu - probably not converted as suspicion was on him
falko - same as lsu
suspect - could've been converted
sam - could've been converted.

Suspect is on my suspicion list a bit for taking spiesr's vote.
We shouldn't rush this, since a no lynch would be okay since they can't convert anyone else, and another couple wrong lynches would put them at victory.
Sam probably was converted considering his actions day 2 and lurking, but I'm going to hear some defense from him before I hammer.