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Are you confused? Are you saying commander accessed ljex's account and posted that?iamkoolerthanu wrote:If the rule is repeated posting from an account then this rule has not been broken
He repeatedly posted while on the 6 month ban, therefore he got the NEW punishment, a one month ban
During that one month ban he only posted once... Therefore it is not a repeated offense. No breakage of rules here
drunkmonkey wrote:I'm filing a C&A report right now. Its nice because they have a drop-down for "jefjef".
I have maybe posted 5 things for him tops over the last week...i wouldn't really qualify that as repeatedly considering the circumstances. Anyway commander sends me emails and i post them, it has nothing to do with him and any action taken against me by team cc for this is fine with me. Simply put me posting for him is better than him abusing others accounts so I offered to bridge the gap so to speak.jefjef wrote:His ban was for him commandeering accounts and posting with them. I don't think he just used ljex's account to post that. I'm thinking it was ljex himself.owenshooter wrote:um... yes it does... this is more than once... this is a continuance of what he received part of his ban for. the counter does not reset, it continues to count... we all know this from the escalating punishment scale, CC never resets your infractions (unless you are a multi and buy back in)... so, i am not stirring the pot, commander is just still unable to follow the very rules that he was just punished for breaking...-the black jefjefjefjef wrote:This does not qualify as REPEATEDLY posting. Now stop stirring stuff.
Now if ljex has repeatedly posted on behalf of Commander then perhaps you should gather the evidence and file a complaint.
and your -the black "everything under the sun" stuff could be considered baiting and trolling with a lot of evidence to support a complaint.
-the white jj
exactly and im perfectly fine if they choose to punish me for posting stuff for him, but he is not posting from my account. In fact im almost positive he doesnt even know my password as we havent played much since i was a mod and i wouldnt have had reason to tell him what it was after i stopped being a mod.jefjef wrote:Look. I am no where close to being a fan of ljex.king sam wrote:I agree with owen here jeff, part of the escalation that got him the 1 month ban was his ill regard for the rules as per posting for banned users. Granted he didnt post this, but its obvious the intent of communication from him to the site/community while banned from doing so is a rule that he feels he is not obliged to follow. And Im quite surprised and disappointed that this was violated yet again not even 24 hours after the explanation for the sentence he would be required to serve hit the street.
I mean Im no C&A Mod/ Multi Hunter (you like how I threw that in there), but it seems like he didnt get the point about the sites rules.king achilles wrote:Pimphawks70 and Master Chief have received their first Minor Infraction for letting their account be repeatedly used for Posting for Vacationed Users.
Commander62890, for posting repeatedly and interacting with the community under different accounts, will also be charged for account sitting abuse as a major infraction.
Therefore, Commander62890 has committed two Major Infractions: Account Sitting Abuse and Point Dumping. His 1st and 2nd Major Infractions result in a one month website vacation for Commander62890.
? Im just saying owen has a point, even with it being a message relayed from a friend, point is valid.
the white, slightly tan from the Bahrain sun recently retired hunter KS
With that said commanders ban is due to account sitting abuse. Him accessing and posting under others accounts.
ljex posting on commanders behalf is a different rule and would apply towards ljex and not commander. There is a difference. The question here is if ljex violated rules by posting a message from a banned user.
Well if that is true then yes that would be repeatedly posting for a banned user and YOU violated a minor infraction rule and it would be your baby. Warning or whatever due.ljex wrote:I have maybe posted 5 things for him tops over the last week...i wouldn't really qualify that as repeatedly considering the circumstances. Anyway commander sends me emails and i post them, it has nothing to do with him and any action taken against me by team cc for this is fine with me. Simply put me posting for him is better than him abusing others accounts so I offered to bridge the gap so to speak.jefjef wrote:His ban was for him commandeering accounts and posting with them. I don't think he just used ljex's account to post that. I'm thinking it was ljex himself.owenshooter wrote:um... yes it does... this is more than once... this is a continuance of what he received part of his ban for. the counter does not reset, it continues to count... we all know this from the escalating punishment scale, CC never resets your infractions (unless you are a multi and buy back in)... so, i am not stirring the pot, commander is just still unable to follow the very rules that he was just punished for breaking...-the black jefjefjefjef wrote:This does not qualify as REPEATEDLY posting. Now stop stirring stuff.
Now if ljex has repeatedly posted on behalf of Commander then perhaps you should gather the evidence and file a complaint.
and your -the black "everything under the sun" stuff could be considered baiting and trolling with a lot of evidence to support a complaint.
-the white jj
drunkmonkey wrote:I'm filing a C&A report right now. Its nice because they have a drop-down for "jefjef".
It would be an official warning and that is fine with me if they choose to take that course of actionjefjef wrote:Well if that is true then yes that would be repeatedly posting for a banned user and YOU violated a minor infraction rule and it would be your baby. Warning or whatever due.ljex wrote:I have maybe posted 5 things for him tops over the last week...i wouldn't really qualify that as repeatedly considering the circumstances. Anyway commander sends me emails and i post them, it has nothing to do with him and any action taken against me by team cc for this is fine with me. Simply put me posting for him is better than him abusing others accounts so I offered to bridge the gap so to speak.jefjef wrote:His ban was for him commandeering accounts and posting with them. I don't think he just used ljex's account to post that. I'm thinking it was ljex himself.owenshooter wrote:um... yes it does... this is more than once... this is a continuance of what he received part of his ban for. the counter does not reset, it continues to count... we all know this from the escalating punishment scale, CC never resets your infractions (unless you are a multi and buy back in)... so, i am not stirring the pot, commander is just still unable to follow the very rules that he was just punished for breaking...-the black jefjefjefjef wrote:This does not qualify as REPEATEDLY posting. Now stop stirring stuff.
Now if ljex has repeatedly posted on behalf of Commander then perhaps you should gather the evidence and file a complaint.
and your -the black "everything under the sun" stuff could be considered baiting and trolling with a lot of evidence to support a complaint.
-the white jj
Owen and KS are trying to apply it towards commander for some reason.
No I am not confused. I meant to say it was not repeated because ljex only posted once after the one month ban was established. My badjefjef wrote:Are you confused? Are you saying commander accessed ljex's account and posted that?iamkoolerthanu wrote:If the rule is repeated posting from an account then this rule has not been broken
He repeatedly posted while on the 6 month ban, therefore he got the NEW punishment, a one month ban
During that one month ban he only posted once... Therefore it is not a repeated offense. No breakage of rules here
no, it does not work that way... his count did not reset to zero... he is still breaking the same rules that you all claimed he was so above breaking... he is now a serial offender... period... learn the rules before you come in here and start making them up... it just makes you look really sad...-the black jesusiamkoolerthanu wrote:No I am not confused. I meant to say it was not repeated because ljex only posted once after the one month ban was established. My badjefjef wrote:Are you confused? Are you saying commander accessed ljex's account and posted that?iamkoolerthanu wrote:If the rule is repeated posting from an account then this rule has not been broken
He repeatedly posted while on the 6 month ban, therefore he got the NEW punishment, a one month ban
During that one month ban he only posted once... Therefore it is not a repeated offense. No breakage of rules here
I hope that this is not true. It is basic rules of democracy. Saying your opinion or others opinion if you agree with them can not be against the rules.owenshooter wrote:you are not permitted to post for a banned member. it is not silly, it is the RULES.iamkoolerthanu wrote:I think he is emailing ljex and ljex is just quoting the emails. If we are not allowed to quote our emails here, well I think that would be pretty dumb
Sorry Owen but you are way off the mark in this regard.no, it does not work that way... his count did not reset to zero... he is still breaking the same rules that you all claimed he was so above breaking... he is now a serial offender... period... learn the rules before you come in here and start making them up... it just makes you look really sad
owenshooter wrote:no, it does not work that way... his count did not reset to zero... he is still breaking the same rules that you all claimed he was so above breaking... he is now a serial offender... period... learn the rules before you come in here and start making them up... it just makes you look really sad...-the black jesusiamkoolerthanu wrote:No I am not confused. I meant to say it was not repeated because ljex only posted once after the one month ban was established. My badjefjef wrote:Are you confused? Are you saying commander accessed ljex's account and posted that?iamkoolerthanu wrote:If the rule is repeated posting from an account then this rule has not been broken
He repeatedly posted while on the 6 month ban, therefore he got the NEW punishment, a one month ban
During that one month ban he only posted once... Therefore it is not a repeated offense. No breakage of rules here
maybe you should listen to your own advice and learn the rules before you start making shit up...if anyone is going to be punished it is me for posting on his behalf not him as he doesn't even know my password.Are you fucking kidding me? It wasn't posting for vacationed users, it was letting him log in and post on their account. You yelled at him and those guys for letting him log in himself and check, which he admitted to doing by saying "Commander here, [blah blah blah]" but the rest of the stuff has been presented as ljex or MC relaying emails from C. And in that time, there's been no indication that THAT was improper.king sam wrote:I agree with owen here jeff, part of the escalation that got him the 1 month ban was his ill regard for the rules as per posting for banned users. Granted he didnt post this, but its obvious the intent of communication from him to the site/community while banned from doing so is a rule that he feels he is not obliged to follow. And Im quite surprised and disappointed that this was violated yet again not even 24 hours after the explanation for the sentence he would be required to serve hit the street.
I mean Im no C&A Mod/ Multi Hunter (you like how I threw that in there), but it seems like he didnt get the point about the sites rules.king achilles wrote:Pimphawks70 and Master Chief have received their first Minor Infraction for letting their account be repeatedly used for Posting for Vacationed Users.
Commander62890, for posting repeatedly and interacting with the community under different accounts, will also be charged for account sitting abuse as a major infraction.
Therefore, Commander62890 has committed two Major Infractions: Account Sitting Abuse and Point Dumping. His 1st and 2nd Major Infractions result in a one month website vacation for Commander62890.
? Im just saying owen has a point, even with it being a message relayed from a friend, point is valid.
the white, slightly tan from the Bahrain sun recently retired hunter KS
No he didn't. Owen's point was "he is still breaking the same rules that you all claimed he was so above breaking... he is now a serial offender" which is not true. Since his ban Commander hasn't broken any rules - FACT. Since Commander's ban ljex has not repeatedly posted on behalf of a vacationed user - FACT.Owen brought it up, had a valid point
recordking sam wrote:lol.. trapyoung pull your panties out of the wad you have them in, and feel free to report me for whatever you think is right, just be careful not to get in trouble for making a spurious claim. Heaven forbid you get a vacation for violating the rules, wouldn't want another 20 page thread about how your not guilty cause your a good guy.
Rules are simple and its obvious your having a hard time understanding them.
If you receive a vacation from the site, then that means you receive a vacation from the site. Not "hey let me access your account so I can clarify something". Not "hey post this in the forums for me so my voice can be heard". It means you are on vacation from the site period.
The main offenders that were either posting for him, or letting him access his account during his temp ban while the investigation was going on were dealt with according to the guidelines of posting for a vacationed member and as per their past infractions. The fact that others were posting for him was indicated that it was improper. Check the community guidelines & the KA statement that talked about the punishment on this case if you still aren't following.
Commander's escalation (2nd infraction on him out of this case) which resulted to the one month ban was "for posting repeatedly and interacting with the community under different accounts".
I never once said that ljex posting for him means commander is yet guilty of something else, cause we all know how swell of a guy he is. If it implied that in my statement earlier then it was a simple perception error. I said I agree with owen, that posting for a member that is vacationed is against the rules, and I cant believe after this has been discussed over and over that it is still occurring. Now even though ljex is at fault you gotta shift some of that blame on commander, as if you read the PM from him its obvious he is trying to "interact with the community while he is vacationed."
My PM conversation with you was a mod/community convo in which you were trying to bring light evidence to help clear him. One of the downfalls of the temp ban system that is in place IMO is that the member cant freely defend himself in any way but an E-Ticket. Dig around I am on record several places saying that. Since you had an open flow of comms with him I asked you to get the data for me so I could once again look at it from what he was saying transpired. I dont see how you cant see that difference.
As far as I see it, and I think any normal person that can rationalize a situation, there has been no incon-fucking-sistency (funny to play the grammar police and misspell a word) in this case. Everything was done by the book regardless of the public outcry. Just cause you cant get it, or cant look past what you think cause of your jaded view on it doesnt make it wrong and you right.
Rules are simple. Rules were broken. Punishments were handled as per the guidelines. Decision on ruling was made to the public. Rules for posting for a vacation member were yet violated again. Owen brought it up, had a valid point and the lemmings cried wolf yet again.
Is ljex to blame for posting for a vacationed user? Yes
If someone wants something done about it will they most likely have to open a claim or contact a mod? Yes
Is it enough to warrant punishment? ? up to a mod to decide, either way owen's point is valid
Should this thread be locked? Most Def, decision has been made, time to move on
Do I really care one way or the other about ljex posting for him? Not in the slightest, just wasnt going to see another member who brought up a valid point be bashed on how his perception of it was wrong cause the commander he is a good guy mafia say it aint so.
KS
Seriously? Seriously? Do you read or comprehend before you post or just post?Chariot of Fire wrote:No he didn't. Owen's point was "he is still breaking the same rules that you all claimed he was so above breaking... he is now a serial offender" which is not true. Since his ban Commander hasn't broken any rules - FACT. Since Commander's ban ljex has not repeatedly posted on behalf of a vacationed user - FACT.Owen brought it up, had a valid point
Why don't you just let it settle instead of writing all that diatribe and using terms such as "the lemmings cried wolf yet again". You want to take a chill pill mate, oh and get your facts straight.
owenshooter wrote:you are not permitted to post for a banned member. it is not silly, it is the RULES. however, we are all learning that commander doesn't really adhere to the rules, even when they are placed right in front of him and spelled out. this is just daft... wow...-the black penn & telleriamkoolerthanu wrote:I think he is emailing ljex and ljex is just quoting the emails. If we are not allowed to quote our emails here, well I think that would be pretty dumb
king sam wrote:I agree with owen here jeff, part of the escalation that got him the 1 month ban was his ill regard for the rules as per posting for banned users. Granted he didnt post this, but its obvious the intent of communication from him to the site/community while banned from doing so is a rule that he feels he is not obliged to follow.
Owens point that I agreed with is that you cant post for a banned member. Its the rules, get your facts straight.king achilles wrote:Pimphawks70 and Master Chief have received their first Minor Infraction for letting their account be repeatedly used for Posting for Vacationed Users.
Commander62890, for posting repeatedly and interacting with the community under different accounts, will also be charged for account sitting abuse as a major infraction.
Therefore, Commander62890 has committed two Major Infractions: Account Sitting Abuse and Point Dumping. His 1st and 2nd Major Infractions result in a one month website vacation for Commander62890.
