Lord of the Rings mafia [Town wins]

[Minister Masket]

Your know I'm not scum your just voting me cause I pressured you, it is all you have.

Ok, how could I possibly know that you're not scum?

You know what I mean

Insinuations mean nothing.

I repeat give me one good reason why you think I am scum?

That was never my case against you and you know it. I was concerned as to why a so-called townie would press for information so brutally on Day 1.

If your going to pressure someone you may as well do it properly.

Trust me sunshine, the way you did it isn't the way to do it properly. I know because I've tried my own strategies doing it in previous games, and they work.

Still waiting on a good reason that isn't: you picked on me!

And I've given you one. Twice. It wasn't just referring to me y'know.

[Mr. Squirrel]

So you two are putting pressure on each other only because the other is putting pressure on you? I'm so confused...

[Stroop]

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Vote count

Minister Masket - 3 (spiesr, pmchugh, AceArtemis)
AceArtemis - 1 (Falkomagno)
pmchugh - 2 (Minister Masket)
Thezzaruz - 1 (Clive)
karelpietertje - 1 (nagerous)

Not voting: sam_levi_11, Hologram, william18, Suspect101, Iliad, karelpietertje, Thezzaruz, Mr. Squirrel

With 15 alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch.

Minister Masket is currently a double voter, through rule 11

Day 1 ends approximately 26 hours from now
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[Suspect101]

Minister Masket is currently a double voter, through rule 11

Can you please explain the last two sentences of that rule?

The last sentence states that the double vote will only count if the person RECEIVING the vote wants it to? That seems odd because only a jester would want that vote to count.

The second to last sentence says that noone will ever receive two or more votes at the same time through this rule? Does this mean tha tMM will not get a third vote?

[pmchugh]

If your going to pressure someone you may as well do it properly.

Trust me sunshine, the way you did it isn't the way to do it properly. I know because I've tried my own strategies doing it in previous games, and they work. [/quote[

That's rather arrogant of you, and one thing about mafia is that scum always change there strategies when caught so you have to change your methods. Basically the reason you are voting for me is that you disagree with my methods of finding scum, nothing less nothing more.

Still waiting on a good reason that isn't: you picked on me!

And I've given you one. Twice. It wasn't just referring to me y'know.

Your missing the crutial word "good". Aggression itself isn't scummy, just as your methods aren't either.

So you two are putting pressure on each other only because the other is putting pressure on you? I'm so confused...

That's why he is voting me, I am voting him because he seems determined to lynch me with no good reasons. I didn't supect him until clive role claimed but he continued to push for my lynch without providing any good reasons and why would a townie do that?

[Stroop]

Can you please explain the last two sentences of that rule?

No-one will ever receive two or more votes at the same time through this rule. If this extra vote would lynch someone, it will not be tallied unless the person receiving the vote states that he wants it to count.

MM is now a double voter. If someone else goes inactive, MM can not randomly receive another vote.

"The person receiving this vote" is MM in this case and not pmc.

[Suspect101]

The person casting the vote decides if they want the 2nd vote to count and MM can not receive a 3rd vote to cast. Gotcha.

[Minister Masket]

That's why he is voting me, I am voting him because he seems determined to lynch me with no good reasons.

You've done it again!
You don't actually read my posts do you?

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For the final time... I am more interested in information from you rather than your death.
I'm not quoting it because it's on the frikken last page.

[pmchugh]

That's why he is voting me, I am voting him because he seems determined to lynch me with no good reasons.

You've done it again!
You don't actually read my posts do you?

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For the final time... I am more interested in information from you rather than your death.
I'm not quoting it because it's on the frikken last page.

Word it better I didn't understand what you meant. And how would my lynch reveal any more info than your own? I play like this always and I have never seen you so agitated, scared of getting caught?

[Thezzaruz]

That's why he is voting me, I am voting him because he seems determined to lynch me with no good reasons.

You've done it again!
You don't actually read my posts do you?

Hmm, that seems as familiar pmc behaviour.

I am voting him because he seems determined to lynch me with no good reasons. I didn't supect him until clive role claimed but he continued to push for my lynch without providing any good reasons and why would a townie do that?

Any case against you is completely unrelated to Clive so the claim (valid or not) proves nothing about you (unless you and Clive come out with a mason claim too).



Think I'll have to side with MM atm... Vote pmchugh

[Mr. Squirrel]

Think I'll have to side with MM atm... Vote pmchugh

That was unexpected to say the least. Personally, I didn't see a strong case for either PMC or MM but I saw more logic in PMC's claim than MM's

And after looking at the vote count, I think I see why you did it. This is the last night before a forced lynch. At this point, any mafia members need to make sure their members don't have the majority vote. With MM at 3 and PMC at 2, if MM was scum, they would start getting very nervous and possibly make irrational votes to try to clear their teammate. This scenario would also explain why MM has been constantly at PMC's neck the past few pages and hasn't let up despite the fact that he is in the lead with votes. He needs someone to pass him in votes, and it is too late in the game for him to try to form a new bandwagon on a other scummy person. So he uses the original scummy suspicions that linger from the clive/PMC case to try to save himself.

Vote MM with a FOS on Thez. After clive's claim and PMC's responses to this situation, I can't see him being mafia. Possibly 3rd party, but not mafia.

[Thezzaruz]

Personally, I didn't see a strong case for either PMC or MM but I saw more logic in PMC's claim than MM's

I sort of agree on the first part but not on the second.

So he uses the original scummy suspicions that linger from the clive/PMC case to try to save himself.

Never thought that pmc got tarnished by Clive's actions (other than the list pmc wrote himself) as they where all one way stuff.

After clive's claim and PMC's responses to this situation, I can't see him being mafia. Possibly 3rd party, but not mafia.

Actually pmc's claims of somehow being sort of cleared by Clive's claim is what pushed it over the edge for me. There is no such connection between them so that's just pmc trying to "steal" some of Clive's credibility, and that's scummy IMO...

[pmchugh]

But the vast majority of people suspecting me said it was to do with the clive thing, do you want me to compile a list? After he was proved town I couldn't see why anyone would suspect me.

If it scummy for me to say I am townie because clive is townie, (which I didn't even say) is it not scummy for other people to call me scum becasue clive was scum? We are either linked or we aren't make up your mind.

[Iliad]

But the vast majority of people suspecting me said it was to do with the clive thing, do you want me to compile a list? After he was proved town I couldn't see why anyone would suspect me.

If it scummy for me to say I am townie because clive is townie, (which I didn't even say) is it not scummy for other people to call me scum becasue clive was scum? We are either linked or we aren't make up your mind.

While Clive's protection of you did incriminate you, it by far was not the only thing people found scummy about you.

Your unrelenting pursuit of trying to grasp at any straw in MM's post turned quite a lot of heads.

With the deadline looming I just hope we get a lynch vote pcmhugh

[pmchugh]

But the vast majority of people suspecting me said it was to do with the clive thing, do you want me to compile a list? After he was proved town I couldn't see why anyone would suspect me.

If it scummy for me to say I am townie because clive is townie, (which I didn't even say) is it not scummy for other people to call me scum becasue clive was scum? We are either linked or we aren't make up your mind.

While Clive's protection of you did incriminate you, it by far was not the only thing people found scummy about you.

Your unrelenting pursuit of trying to grasp at any straw in MM's post turned quite a lot of heads.

With the deadline looming I just hope we get a lynch vote pcmhugh

Well it's dead tied between me and MM, if it stays the same way then MM is lynched cause his vote was first. If anyone is thinking about voting me please allow me the chance to claim. As I will do if it comes to that.

[pmchugh]

Unvote but a serious fos

Why? Posting a picture is nearly just quoting the role pm. I don't know whether this breaks a rule or not, but it skirts dangerously into a rather grey area.

Oh and just to show you who is on my bandwagon. Iliad clearly has something agianst me (bw'd me twice) and clive (proven townie). Iliad is an experienced player and I find it very suspicious he would fos clive for a sensible claim.

[Iliad]

Unvote but a serious fos

Why? Posting a picture is nearly just quoting the role pm. I don't know whether this breaks a rule or not, but it skirts dangerously into a rather grey area.

Oh and just to show you who is on my bandwagon. Iliad clearly has something agianst me (bw'd me twice) and clive (proven townie). Iliad is an experienced player and I find it very suspicious he would fos clive for a sensible claim.

My my. You can feed a horse for a day with all those straws you've grabbed today.

I did not fos him for the claim, but for the picture. Simply put I felt posting pictures instead of actual names could lead to degradation of the game. As I posted and explained in later posts. But hey, don't let that stop you.

I didn't want posting pictures to set a precedent and detract from the game later on
Player 1: I'm frodo
Player 2: Yeah-well post the picture in your pm
Player 1: *Picture*
Player 2: Aha! The size is wrong/you got it from google images/whatever. Lynch

I was afraid posting pictures instead of saying would start things like that. Instead of people playing mafia, people would be playing say the win condition word for word and post the picture in perfectly. Feel free to try and twist that.

[spiesr]

And after looking at the vote count, I think I see why you did it. This is the last night before a forced lynch. At this point, any mafia members need to make sure their members don't have the majority vote.

Please note that if pmc turns out to be scum at some point that I will suspect you as his scum buddy with this as a reason.

[Mr. Squirrel]

And after looking at the vote count, I think I see why you did it. This is the last night before a forced lynch. At this point, any mafia members need to make sure their members don't have the majority vote.

Please note that if pmc turns out to be scum at some point that I will suspect you as his scum buddy with this as a reason.

I would expect nothing less of you. If I were in your shoes, I would get suspicious of that as well. But I honestly don't think PMC is scum at this point and I find the constant push by MM and Iliad to be awfully scummy. Especially when it's this late in the day.

[Iliad]

And after looking at the vote count, I think I see why you did it. This is the last night before a forced lynch. At this point, any mafia members need to make sure their members don't have the majority vote.

Please note that if pmc turns out to be scum at some point that I will suspect you as his scum buddy with this as a reason.

I would expect nothing less of you. If I were in your shoes, I would get suspicious of that as well. But I honestly don't think PMC is scum at this point and I find the constant push by MM and Iliad to be awfully scummy. Especially when it's this late in the day.

Where as pcmhugh has been doing what exactly? Pcmhugh has been pushing for mm's lynch all day. I've been finding it scummy all day. I'm trying to get some debate and a good lynch happen.


Sorry.

[Falkomagno]

I would like to look i another direction.

Clive - 7 (william18, AceArtemis, Suspect101, Thezzaruz, Mr. Squirrel, Iliad, karelpietertje)

I would insist in lynch one of the obove.

unvote vote Thezz

Why thez? because is linked with iliad in that so weak case between MM and PMC.

[AceArtemis]

After reading through the entire argument between MM and pmc, it seemed that pmc was very defensive. Pmc misunderstood MM's posts, and thought MM was trying to get him lynched rather than pressured. However, I fail to see the case against pmc. The only thing I saw against pmc earlier in the day was the connection to Clive.

The case against both MM and pmc is very weak. However, as one of them is going to be deadline lynched no matter what I do, I must make a decision.

Well it's dead tied between me and MM, if it stays the same way then MM is lynched cause his vote was first. If anyone is thinking about voting me please allow me the chance to claim. As I will do if it comes to that.

From this quote, it seems that pmc may have a solid, believable claim. Sure, pmc may be bluffing, but I don't want to risk losing a town power role right now. My vote stays right where it is. On day 2, we'll certainly have plenty to discuss about this bandwagon.

[Stroop]

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Vote count

Minister Masket - 4 (spiesr, pmchugh, AceArtemis, Mr. Squirrel)
pmchugh - 4 (Minister Masket, Thezzaruz, Iliad)
Thezzaruz - 2 (Clive, Falkomagno)
karelpietertje - 1 (nagerous)

Not voting: sam_levi_11, Hologram, william18, Suspect101, karelpietertje

With 15 alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch.

Minister Masket is currently a double voter, through rule 11

Day 1 ends approximately 4 hours from now (I know that doesn't fit with the previous vote count, but it does with the very first post)
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[Iliad]

According to your rules the person with the highest number of votes is lynched, and if tehre is a tie , the person who got that number first.

I believe that would be MM, though votes have been a bit complicated

[Stroop]

According to your rules the person with the highest number of votes is lynched, and if tehre is a tie , the person who got that number first.

I believe that would be MM, though votes have been a bit complicated

Right now, Minister Masket would be lynched.