San Francisco Mafia- Aage, Safari and Kernov Win!!!

[aage]

Also FoS aage for defending Flow a bit too hastily and posting this:

I think you will agree with me that in this case Flow is assuming that if the mafia had a NK during night 0, he himself was the target (since he is bulletproof...), otherwise there would be no reason to have an idea on who the target would have been. Except if he were the mafia himself, in which case he's an idiot and should've PM'd VioIet. Since I don't like to think people are idiots before having evidence for it I stay with my first theory.

What? Why would he assume that he was a target? Doesn't make any sense?

Cause he said "if the mafia didn't succeed in their kill i have a pretty good idea who their target was" or something like that. i can only deduce from that that Flow knows someone who was immune to the mafia kill during night 0. I don't assume the mafia had a kill for the obvious reasons already stated (not giving someone even a minute to play) so I also don't assume that Flow was a mafia scumster for saying he would know their target. Then there's a doc and a bulletproof towny left. Since I don't assume the mafia had a N0 kill I also don't assume the doc had a N0 protect. 1 + 1 = bulletproof.

[Commander9]

Cause he said "if the mafia didn't succeed in their kill i have a pretty good idea who their target was" or something like that. i can only deduce from that that Flow knows someone who was immune to the mafia kill during night 0. I don't assume the mafia had a kill for the obvious reasons already stated (not giving someone even a minute to play) so I also don't assume that Flow was a mafia scumster for saying he would know their target. Then there's a doc and a bulletproof towny left. Since I don't assume the mafia had a N0 kill I also don't assume the doc had a N0 protect. 1 + 1 = bulletproof.

That would be all good and stuff, except for he stated this AFTER being told being told that there are N0 kills. I can see where you are coming from this, but I think that was more of a "quick-don't-lynch me-because-I'm very strong and useful to town" tactic. In a way, these are even the reminiscents of Herk in Briarsburg.

[kernov]

Thats Flow on 5 votes if im not mistaken, more of a slow freight train rather than a bandwagon.

At least its heading in the right direction at last.

[aage]

Cause he said "if the mafia didn't succeed in their kill i have a pretty good idea who their target was" or something like that. i can only deduce from that that Flow knows someone who was immune to the mafia kill during night 0. I don't assume the mafia had a kill for the obvious reasons already stated (not giving someone even a minute to play) so I also don't assume that Flow was a mafia scumster for saying he would know their target. Then there's a doc and a bulletproof towny left. Since I don't assume the mafia had a N0 kill I also don't assume the doc had a N0 protect. 1 + 1 = bulletproof.

That would be all good and stuff, except for he stated this AFTER being told being told that there are N0 kills. I can see where you are coming from this, but I think that was more of a "quick-don't-lynch me-because-I'm very strong and useful to town" tactic. In a way, these are even the reminiscents of Herk in Briarsburg.

Yes, but since you're using wifom I'll use wifom in response:
Why are you trying to lynch someone who possibly could only die from just that, and nothing else?
Do you now understand why all you people are scummy to me?

[Fircoal]

Sure Flow, why not? I'll go from the very beginning...

Wait, wait, wait - let me get this straight: you are saying that just because more experienced agree with you there's no case? What if (*surprise* *surprise*) they would be aligned with you and it would make sense for them to defend you?

What are the chances that all the experienced players are all mafia? ?Not only would that be horrible for balance, but I think there are more that defended Flow than probable scumsters and I think experienced players know well enough not to defend scumbuddies heading to the gallows so strongly. It only makes them suspect.

[aage]

Sure Flow, why not? I'll go from the very beginning...

Wait, wait, wait - let me get this straight: you are saying that just because more experienced agree with you there's no case? What if (*surprise* *surprise*) they would be aligned with you and it would make sense for them to defend you?

What are the chances that all the experienced players are all mafia? ?Not only would that be horrible for balance, but I think there are more that defended Flow than probable scumsters and I think experienced players know well enough not to defend scumbuddies heading to the gallows so strongly. It only makes them suspect.

Especially when their mafia is already decimated, lol.

[VioIet]

Vote Count

Victor (4): edocsil, drabod, aage, lildan
Flow (5): kernov, commander9, mass miracle, gabriel, judah
Edocsil(1): dazey

With 16 alive it takes 8 to lynch

[Commander9]

Yes, but since you're using wifom I'll use wifom in response:
Why are you trying to lynch someone who possibly could only die from just that, and nothing else?
Do you now understand why all you people are scummy to me?

Because he's the scummiest person in the game (in my eyes, anyways). Because, if he's actually bulletproof (which I still don't believe), he could as well be the godfather. If anyone would investigate, he'd turn up innocent.

I've understood your position the whole game, mate, but I think you're struggling to try looking from other positions.

What are the chances that all the experienced players are all mafia? ?Not only would that be horrible for balance, but I think there are more that defended Flow than probable scumsters and I think experienced players know well enough not to defend scumbuddies heading to the gallows so strongly. It only makes them suspect.

All experienced players as in 2? Aage and Edocsil? Sure. So Sully, Karel and Fir aren't experienced players?

What if they'd use exactly that thinking and would play the meta game, especially since there are so many newbies, who might be easier to manipulate?

Especially when their mafia is already decimated, lol.

And since town wouldn't think they could do that, but it might make perfect sense Again, I'll repeat my position - I don't know whether Flow is scum, but I don't see any better votes at the moment and I will stay here until something comes up.

[Commander9]

Especially when their mafia is already decimated, lol.

Wait, are you suggesting there have been 10 scum to start with? OMG, VOTE AAGE!!!

Sorry, couldn't handle

[aage]

Yes, but since you're using wifom I'll use wifom in response:
Why are you trying to lynch someone who possibly could only die from just that, and nothing else?
Do you now understand why all you people are scummy to me?

Because he's the scummiest person in the game (in my eyes, anyways). Because, if he's actually bulletproof (which I still don't believe), he could as well be the godfather. If anyone would investigate, he'd turn up innocent.

Now you're just fitting in pieces from different puzzles. Yes, of course, the whole "huh no-one is dead" thing was just an act to make us believe he is a bulletproof towny! Why didn't I see this before? Of course, he has been playing with us ever since night 0!

No offences to Flow, but I don't think he'd (be able to) pull that kind of a stunt.

I've understood your position the whole game, mate, but I think you're struggling to try looking from other positions.

I'm not strugglin, your position just doesn't make sense to me. The first accusation was made because Flow was surprised no-one was dead after night 0. Since this is his, what, third game? I'm not surprised he expected a death during *any* night, even night 0. Still a select few somehow manage to jump on this very quickly. No wonder he defends himself... which is your second argument against him! He defended very quickly. Again, not surprised; he was attacked very quickly.

It really seems like you guys are trying to frame him.

[Victor Sullivan]

vote Flow to get things moving.

[VioIet]

Vote Count

Victor (4): edocsil, drabod, aage, lildan
Flow (6): kernov, commander9, mass miracle, gabriel, judah, victor
Edocsil(1): dazey

With 16 alive it takes 8 to lynch

[Fircoal]

All experienced players as in 2? Aage and Edocsil? Sure. So Sully, Karel and Fir aren't experienced players?

I've cast suspicion against Flow. I'm pretty sure that I've shown myself to be more against the arguments against Flow, rather than for them.

[Fircoal]

vote Flow to get things moving.

Do you have any defense to the lynching of you?
Have you heard this thread at all recently?

Vote: Victor

[Drabod]

vote Flow to get things moving.

As previously stated multiple times, Sully has posted crap throughout today and yesterday... Guys im sure you can see this.....

My vote stands.

[VioIet]

Vote Count

Victor (5): edocsil, drabod, aage, lildan, fircoal
Flow (6): kernov, commander9, mass miracle, gabriel, judah, victor
Edocsil(1): dazey

With 16 alive it takes 8 to lynch


nonvotes: karel, lsu, sens, aage

[sensfan]

Can someone investiagte Victor or dazey tonight? I'll speak up more next day.

[karelpietertje]

I don't really get the case on Flow actually, but I've only really been active (and now dead) in UnMafia. Is this still about his confusion that nobody got killed N0? because that, imo, says nothing.

In reaction to the post above, I'd rather have Flow be investigated instead of Victor.

I say we vote Victor off instead.
Here's a quick search on all the posts he has made in this thread. If someone can find one among them that contributed anything (or even was longer than 2 lines), please show me wrong, because I think he hasn't.
All his posts are either "hehe, that's funny", "no", or "vote X because that sounds like fun".

vote Victor

[dazerazer]

Nooooooooooo!!! Stop people!!!!
Why don't ya'll be listenin!! Man!!
You can't vote Victor. We in love!!! You just can't!!

Even though Victor be looking just like the zodiac killer, he really aint. It was just a joke!!
Stop votin him cuz he aint the mob!!!
I know cupid aint votin for Victor, I hope cuz that would be stoopid.
See why the hell ya'll gotta go and vote Victor and be sayin more things to the mob
Its EDOC!!!!!

EDOC!!!!!

He the mob!!! How many times I gots to be sayin...

PEOPLE UNVOTE NOW!!!!
And then vote Edoc!!

[karelpietertje]

Dang daze, you made me insecure. We're probably going to need a doctor on you if you turn out to be right, since you're obviously claiming to have an investigative role.
(no need to hold my tongue about this now... mafia would have targetted you now, I hope to make it a WIFOM for them by urging the doctor to target you.)

So anyway, we could by your 'claim' and have edocsil lynched, since we'll know that if he's not scum, we'll send your lieing ass to the cemetery tomorrow and have a prisoner or mafia member lynched anyway. Looking through his posts, all his contributions consist of building a case against Victor, which is not actually contributing according to your story.
So, I think I'm willing to take this gamble, since I don't think you would set up a townie to be lynched like that, even if you have a scummy role.

unvote vote edocsil

[kernov]

Dont be insecure ppl and dont takin in by all this pink.

Daze might be right about Edoc but if she is its the only thing truthful in her last post. So i cant agree.

We where all doing ok ish on the voting lets not get waylaid now.

[edocsil]

Nooooooooooo!!! Stop people!!!!
Why don't ya'll be listenin!! Man!!
You can't vote Victor. We in love!!! You just can't!!

Even though Victor be looking just like the zodiac killer, he really aint. It was just a joke!!
Stop votin him cuz he aint the mob!!!
I know cupid aint votin for Victor, I hope cuz that would be stoopid.
See why the hell ya'll gotta go and vote Victor and be sayin more things to the mob
Its EDOC!!!!!

EDOC!!!!!

He the mob!!! How many times I gots to be sayin...

PEOPLE UNVOTE NOW!!!!
And then vote Edoc!!

Perhaps an actual case rather then a random accusation?

And UNVOTE VOTE karelpietertje, You should know that it is just as likely that flow is a paranoid townie as she is scum. If I were lynched and I came up innocent, you would lynch her because she was wrong?

Honestly, I think we aren't giving flow enough credit. She throws out a random accusation and sees who is dumb enough to jump on the happy wagon.

[karelpietertje]

And UNVOTE VOTE karelpietertje, You should know that it is just as likely that flow is a paranoid townie as she is scum. If I were lynched and I came up innocent, you would lynch her because she was wrong?

Yup. (Nice OMGUS vote bytheway)
Look, it might be unfair to use your life on this gamble, but you do realize it's the best for town now? If you are town, it's better to have you AND a mafia killed than both alive. You'll still win if town wins, so consider it a necessary sacrifice in your own best interest if your town.

My vote is on you because I am certain that the reason dazerazer wants you dead is because she investigated you and got you as guilty/escaped prisoner. This is a little bit of meta-gaming, as I know that she still has an honesty about her posting that little other people have. I do need dazerazer's 'Yes' on her having investigated Sully and you (which I believe she would've done, considering her FoS on you Day 1) though before we proceed.

If she doesn't, I'll unvote, and gladly put my vote back on Victor.

[edocsil]

And UNVOTE VOTE karelpietertje, You should know that it is just as likely that flow is a paranoid townie as she is scum. If I were lynched and I came up innocent, you would lynch her because she was wrong?

Yup. (Nice OMGUS vote bytheway)
Look, it might be unfair to use your life on this gamble, but you do realize it's the best for town now? If you are town, it's better to have you AND a mafia killed than both alive. You'll still win if town wins, so consider it a necessary sacrifice in your own best interest if your town.

My vote is on you because I am certain that the reason dazerazer wants you dead is because she investigated you and got you as guilty/escaped prisoner. This is a little bit of meta-gaming, as I know that she still has an honesty about her posting that little other people have. I do need dazerazer's 'Yes' on her having investigated Sully and you (which I believe she would've done, considering her FoS on you Day 1) though before we proceed.

If she doesn't, I'll unvote, and gladly put my vote back on Victor.

Figured I would get called out for the OMGUS, but did you read my post? The part of your post that I bolded is the part that makes me wonder. There is absolutely nothing that guarantees one of us is scum. What you are suggesting is wasting 2 days on a likely fruitless crusade.

[karelpietertje]

I did read your post, forgot to add however that because the answer to your question is yes, there is a big difference between your case and flows.
If Flow is wrong, we cannot kill him because he might just have been a bit paranoid but still town. In this case however, I'm confident dazerazer is a cop.

Since she hasn't said it herself yet, I'll probably unvote for now to acknowledge your criticism and hopefully calm you down. If dazerazer confirms my suspicion however, I hope people agree with me and join me in voting you out.